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Discussion: @Vastin

  1. #26
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    octobre 2011
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    Citation Envoyé par valkrye Voir le message
    It's all poppycock to be honest. I know of people who deliberately get into arguments with people on forum, and then report them for harassment, trolling, or insults. And they actually get away with it because the person who was reported eventually piles up infractions and ends up being permabanned from forum.

    And then there are the armies of snowflakes who get offended when someone like siipperi or Giliodor call them out on not knowing how to play their class, after they demand that the game be made easier for them. Don't even get me started on THEM.
    Oh yeah zippys stupid talk of git gud.

  2. #27
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    juin 2011
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    Taterki
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    Citation Envoyé par Decrepify Voir le message
    Oh damn...well then, might as well ban the forums altogether, those guys, while rarely in agreement, at the very least made the forums active.
    Exactly.

    People may have different opinions but shouldn't resort to reporting, as that is just childish and shows they have no arguments.

    I know at least 5 forum posters who would resort to that. They are known for beeing weak in arguments, and yet they usually participate in arguments.

    If all those guys were banned from forums, that is a huge step backwards to the times of hated Sapience, who tolerated only fanboys on this forum.

  3. #28
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    octobre 2014
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    Winchester Va
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    Somehow I find it weird to hear a red hunter complain about their rotation after all the blue being upset. It is nice to see others who are not thrilled with the changes besides those in blue. HAve their been any yellow complaints at all? Got tired of looking at the hunter threads because of certain posters who now seem to be gone.
    "I am condescending, that means I talk down to you." Well just for those who go out of their way to need it.

  4. #29
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    mars 2017
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    44
    I don't post very much but I frequent the forums constantly. For me, Siipperi was invaluable in terms of knowledge and insight. I understand some didn't like his or her communication style but I had no problem with it. Personally, I think the forums took a big hit with this loss. Also, as much as I disagree with the ban, the hunter "debate" hijacked many threads after the changes, some related to hunter and some not. It was certainly not all on topic.

    Finally, I know some continue to be unhappy with the changes. I am one who has no problems with the changes and continue to enjoy playing hunter (in red). Just my 2 cents.
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  5. #30
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    août 2014
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    Citation Envoyé par Bohdb Voir le message
    Somehow I find it weird to hear a red hunter complain about their rotation after all the blue being upset. It is nice to see others who are not thrilled with the changes besides those in blue. HAve their been any yellow complaints at all? Got tired of looking at the hunter threads because of certain posters who now seem to be gone.
    From the OP replies it sounds like the poster is unhappy with the reduction of blue trait precision stance focus generation just like the blue hunters are. No other details forthcoming.

    And yes, yellow hunters are complaining as they did not get a significant revamp and what was done to lingering wound in 3 or 4 tries was seen as worse than before.

  6. #31
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    février 2007
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    USA
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    Talking (negatively) about people in public who can no longer respond. . . keepin' it classy as always!



    --H
    Installing LotRO -- One Guide to Rule Them All!
    Purchasing LotRO -- Guide to Building Your Own "Lifetime" Account.

  7. #32
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    mai 2017
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    Citation Envoyé par Hurin Voir le message
    Talking (negatively) about people in public who can no longer respond. . . keepin' it classy as always!



    --H
    You'd be surprised which ones are watching.

  8. #33
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    juillet 2009
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    Citation Envoyé par valkrye Voir le message
    I highly doubt that. In an 11 year span, I can name at least 10 different instances when hunter was worse off than how it is today. Your entire post was littered with hyperbole, so it was hard to take any of it seriously.
    I concur with this. Ive played hunter since book 7 after the swiftbow nerf. I picked my first one shot up at 65 cap on wtab with a third age bow. Redline is the best its ever been. The rotation is fast and generally pretty fluid. Might need to rework some trait setups/legacies. I think mostly what has happened is even the old school hunters forgot the focus burn/build rotation.
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  9. #34
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    juin 2011
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    I'm not banned...I'm just spending my time playing Heroes of the Storm instead. Will probably pop back up for the next round of class work though, looking forward to it.
    ~ I tank with a Beorning, my opinion is invalid. ~

  10. #35
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    mai 2017
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    Citation Envoyé par Joedangod Voir le message
    I'm not banned...I'm just spending my time playing Heroes of the Storm instead. Will probably pop back up for the next round of class work though, looking forward to it.
    Welcome back!

  11. #36
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    juin 2011
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    Citation Envoyé par Bohdb Voir le message
    HAve their been any yellow complaints at all?
    Citation Envoyé par JERH Voir le message
    And yes, yellow hunters are complaining as they did not get a significant revamp and what was done to lingering wound in 3 or 4 tries was seen as worse than before.
    That would be me... and maybe Macroscian.
    I try not to write as often as the blue hunters, because I know I (start to) annoy with this topic. Sometimes I want to keep the yellow hunter in the blue people's mind, sometimes I try to correct Macroscian, when he says LW is a procc, that doesn't always apply... and then I get carried away and annoy others.

    Therefore my signature... because I realised it became my ceterum censeo

    And good to read you Joedangod.
    Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.
    Trapper of Foes needs better tools to fulfill it's supporting(CC and offensive debuffs) and DoT role.

  12. #37
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    octobre 2017
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    439
    pls shut up about hunters, there are so much bigger problems in the game, like idk how raiders are stuck with the same garbage instance for almost a whole year now?

  13. #38
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    juin 2011
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    119
    Citation Envoyé par Fraushgrish2 Voir le message
    pls shut up about hunters, there are so much bigger problems in the game, like idk how raiders are stuck with the same garbage instance for almost a whole year now?
    Actually it's only been 7 months. 7/12 months is not almost a year. It's closer to half.

  14. #39
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    janvier 2015
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    255
    Receiving a permanent suspension for merely arguing with people on an online gaming forum made me realise that the LotRO community is seemingly not interested in debates and argument. Arguments can get heated, and apparently, that is too much for some people to handle. I thought words were just words, and some well placed sarcasm would be entertaining, more so than insulting. I was wrong. This forum is now, more than ever, an echo chamber. A safe space where no one is allowed to actively criticise someone else's views. That's not a place that I want to be a part of, so I will mostly refrain from posting on here from now on.

    Yes, I argued a lot with people, and those arguments would get dragged out for several pages sometimes. Fair enough, I guess that potentially justifies a permanent suspension, if the moderator so pleases. However, I think it evident that most of the people who were suspended in fact sparked discussion and debate, more than anything else. It's not like these arguments were pointless (from a game developer's point of view). I think it's disgraceful that I was suspended for discussing something concerning hunters, on the hunter forums. If you do not believe me, here is a link to the post that got me banned (it was removed from the forums).

    Ultimately, however, I think we are not the ones who lose out by being banned. It's the LotRO community that is losing active members who did not shy away from voicing their opinions, and defending their views. This game is dying, and has been for years. Silencing what few voices of reason (I think I can say that without being overly narcissistic) this forum has left is a good way to speed up the process. Let it be a message to everyone that this game's team isn't interested in the opinions of end game players. Whether that is raiding or PvMP. You're just an annoyance to them. And if you speak out loudly enough, you'll get silenced for merely trying to have a discussion.
    Feailuve, Akabath, Failure - Evernight
    Also known as Giliodor

  15. #40
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    juin 2011
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    Under Bridge
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    Citation Envoyé par valkrye Voir le message
    Actually it's only been 7 months. 7/12 months is not almost a year. It's closer to half.
    In his defence , it doesn't feel like it.
    Abyss feels outdated , actually , i doubt the whole server does more than 10 t2 runs weekly nowadays. It feels dead.
    Comparing to Throne , well.... nugh said ?

    Facts are facts though ofc : D

  16. #41
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    octobre 2017
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    439
    Citation Envoyé par Aeviternus Voir le message
    Receiving a permanent suspension for merely arguing with people on an online gaming forum made me realise that the LotRO community is seemingly not interested in debates and argument. Arguments can get heated, and apparently, that is too much for some people to handle. I thought words were just words, and some well placed sarcasm would be entertaining, more so than insulting. I was wrong. This forum is now, more than ever, an echo chamber. A safe space where no one is allowed to actively criticise someone else's views. That's not a place that I want to be a part of, so I will mostly refrain from posting on here from now on.

    Yes, I argued a lot with people, and those arguments would get dragged out for several pages sometimes. Fair enough, I guess that potentially justifies a permanent suspension, if the moderator so pleases. However, I think it evident that most of the people who were suspended in fact sparked discussion and debate, more than anything else. It's not like these arguments were pointless (from a game developer's point of view). I think it's disgraceful that I was suspended for discussing something concerning hunters, on the hunter forums. If you do not believe me, here is a link to the post that got me banned (it was removed from the forums).

    Ultimately, however, I think we are not the ones who lose out by being banned. It's the LotRO community that is losing active members who did not shy away from voicing their opinions, and defending their views. This game is dying, and has been for years. Silencing what few voices of reason (I think I can say that without being overly narcissistic) this forum has left is a good way to speed up the process. Let it be a message to everyone that this game's team isn't interested in the opinions of end game players. Whether that is raiding or PvMP. You're just an annoyance to them. And if you speak out loudly enough, you'll get silenced for merely trying to have a discussion.
    Im prolly gonna get banned for this but +1

  17. #42
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    mai 2017
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    307
    Citation Envoyé par BotLike Voir le message
    In his defence , it doesn't feel like it.
    Abyss feels outdated , actually , i doubt the whole server does more than 10 t2 runs weekly nowadays. It feels dead.
    Comparing to Throne , well.... nugh said ?

    Facts are facts though ofc : D
    Throne had good lenght and entertainment value. It was pretty awesome clearing it the first time and I still run it today.
    AOM feels circumsised and rushed, which can be easily seen if you turn up the brightness a bit and see how actually barren it looks, but hidden it under "darkness". Also, 3 bosses compared to 6, better challenges and overall quality.

    I really wish they make something lenghty like Rift again, but the announcement of a single-boss raid coming doesn't excite me that much.

  18. #43
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    octobre 2017
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    439
    Citation Envoyé par Decrepify Voir le message
    but the announcement of a single-boss raid coming doesn't excite me that much.
    vait vhat?

  19. #44
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    mai 2017
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    307
    Citation Envoyé par Fraushgrish2 Voir le message
    vait vhat?
    The upcoming raid will feature a single boss. I am uncertain from vhere I heard this, but yeah, it vas said by the dews.

    Edit: LOTRO anniwersary stream, same place Thrang vas first announced.

  20. #45
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    août 2008
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    Citation Envoyé par Joedangod Voir le message
    I'm not banned...I'm just spending my time playing Heroes of the Storm instead. Will probably pop back up for the next round of class work though, looking forward to it.
    Thank goodness. Here I thought somebody had gone on a rampage with getting rid of people. I like hearing opposing arguments. I don't like censorship, and it seems gaming forums have been getting worse with it lately. If there's a post that's against the rules, fine. But getting rid of all the people on one side of an argument seemed fishy. And it makes me worry that my big mouth will get me in trouble next. Which it usually, inevitably does...

  21. #46
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    avril 2011
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    Michigan
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    5 889
    Citation Envoyé par peachykins Voir le message
    Under settings you can choose whether you get PMs or not.
    You can but that doesn't impact the contacts option. Removing PMs is optional, but AFAIK removing contacts is not -- you can just ignore contacts. Getting banned removes both (cause if someone is banned, what good will it be to send them a PM or add as a contact?). I tested this by logging into one of my other accounts and trying to send myself a PM after turning PMs off. The contact option was still there.

    Personally, siipperi is a valar among mankind as far as parses and testing go, but he has a lot to learn about communicating with others. You can't just go around stomping on people's faces and disregarding everyone else's opinions and expect to do well. It wasn't just a matter of snowflakes being incapable of taking some criticism, it was a matter of essentially being told learn2play, git gud, and other elitist comments. Criticism is NEVER constructive when it totally attacks a player's style of playing the game. There is no "right way". The part that is laughable is how many players on the elitist end of things want options and hate trait-trees, but then jump down the throats of anyone who doesn't spec the exact same way they do.

    Also for what it's worth, the bans might be accidental. I was permanently banned for a period of 2 weeks on accident during one of the spamfests back in 2014 (egads has it seriously been that long? phew, time flies). Frelorn sent me an apology for the mixup, got my thread undeleted (it had gotten swallowed up with the spamfest threads), said that I was welcome to blame him if it comes up in conversation, and told me it would have no lasting impact on my account standing. So let's not jump to conclusions and start crucifying people who aren't here to defend themselves about why anyone was banned.
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  22. #47
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    juillet 2011
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    Citation Envoyé par Mar-Evayave Voir le message

    Personally, siipperi is a valar among mankind as far as parses and testing go, but he has a lot to learn about communicating with others. You can't just go around stomping on people's faces and disregarding everyone else's opinions and expect to do well. It wasn't just a matter of snowflakes being incapable of taking some criticism, it was a matter of essentially being told learn2play, git gud, and other elitist comments. Criticism is NEVER constructive when it totally attacks a player's style of playing the game. There is no "right way". The part that is laughable is how many players on the elitist end of things want options and hate trait-trees, but then jump down the throats of anyone who doesn't spec the exact same way they do.
    I just want to reply to this part by playing a bit of devil's advocate.

    It is true that attitude matters, but also the "other side" was not made of saints. Categorizing players on the raiding and pvp scene with names like elitist, jerks, no lifers, there's enough evidence in many threads of the constant back and forth. And why should one side get infractions and not the other? Just look at the blue hunters threads (the most recent and glaring episodes), where the people against the changes jumped at the throats of the ones whole liked them, when presented with hard data to counter their argument. And disregarded the criticism, even when told in a more amicable way, as these elitist jerks trying to make fun of them... and even jumping at Vastin's throat. And with this I'll go. Whatever the reason for a ban on the forums, it should never happen out of spite
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  23. #48
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    avril 2011
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    Michigan
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    Citation Envoyé par miriadel Voir le message
    I just want to reply to this part by playing a bit of devil's advocate.

    It is true that attitude matters, but also the "other side" was not made of saints. Categorizing players on the raiding and pvp scene with names like elitist, jerks, no lifers, there's enough evidence in many threads of the constant back and forth. And why should one side get infractions and not the other? Just look at the blue hunters threads (the most recent and glaring episodes), where the people against the changes jumped at the throats of the ones whole liked them, when presented with hard data to counter their argument. And disregarded the criticism, even when told in a more amicable way, as these elitist jerks trying to make fun of them... and even jumping at Vastin's throat. And with this I'll go. Whatever the reason for a ban on the forums, it should never happen out of spite
    I am on both sides of the equation. I have been a raider and a PvMPer in the past, not just in this game but others as well. But due to time constraints, I now consider myself far more casual in my approach. You are making the assumption that bans were given out only on one side, and that bans were given out for the dialogue in those threads, and that it was out of spite. You have no proof for any of that. It's between SSG and any of the individuals who received bans.

    There are bad apples in every barrel. But hard data is pretty meaningless in some situations. No matter how high parses could be, that doesn't mean it is the norm for most players. Saying someone is inept, needs to learn to play their class, etc. because they don't min-max and get those high parses is elitist. There is plenty of mud slinging on both sides, and both sides could use a slap on the wrist in the very least. I personally find myself challenged -- and frustrated -- when players advocate for the game to be even harder than Mordor, or go around saying Mordor is a cakewalk. Maybe for someone who mix-maxes and has all the high-end gear, it is easy. But for the average player?

    I advocate for the average player, and common sense says that the average player is not a min-maxer especially in this game. This game clearly does not have superior PvMP or raiding. This game's strength is the story, the lore, the landscape. A lot of players are here only because they read the books or watched the movies and aren't really into the harder content. They just like the story.
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  24. #49
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    avril 2007
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    Gallifrey. I need a Jelly Baby.
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    Citation Envoyé par Joedangod Voir le message
    I'm not banned...I'm just spending my time playing Heroes of the Storm instead. Will probably pop back up for the next round of class work though, looking forward to it.
    I’m glad to hear this. Good to see you posting again.
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  25. #50
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    Citation Envoyé par Mar-Evayave Voir le message
    This game clearly does not have superior PvMP or raiding. This game's strength is the story, the lore, the landscape. A lot of players are here only because they read the books or watched the movies and aren't really into the harder content. They just like the story.
    It clearly did once have superior PvP and raiding, back in the day, WoW seriously considered Lotro a threat, SoA and Moria instances were premium A+++ quality for the MMOs at the time. Then the catering to casuals began, over the half the servers closed, and even the quality of the landscape and quest writing went into the pits as well, the game only continued to limp along because it had Tolkien lore for a bedrock, but the lore is almost exhausted, as the main story has ended, and we will reduced to going to ever more marginal areas.
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