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  1. #1
    Date d'inscription
    octobre 2013
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    40

    Why aren't you in Beta?

    We all have different reason for not participating in Beta. What is yours?
    • Don't want spoilers?
    • Feel you don't have time to provide good feedback?
    • Feel like you won't be listened to?
    • Don't have a code because you have chosen not to get one of the free codes that Turbine has given away on Facebook (the last campaign lasted for over 48 hours, so everyone had a chance to get one), and have chosen not to ask in Global or in a large kinship like other players have done to get a code?

  2. #2
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    janvier 2011
    Messages
    448
    • Unwilling to agree to an NDA.
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  3. #3
    Date d'inscription
    mars 2011
    Localisation
    The Prancing Pony, usually I'm drunk in a corner
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    3 359
    • Don't want to ruin the storyline/content for myself before it goes live.


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  4. #4
    Date d'inscription
    septembre 2010
    Localisation
    California
    Messages
    465
    • Not on Facebook, and unwilling to create a dummy account just to get a beta key.


    And I have no idea what you're talking about with codes coming from glff or large kinships. That doesn't happen on any of my servers.

  5. #5
    Date d'inscription
    mars 2011
    Localisation
    The Prancing Pony, usually I'm drunk in a corner
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    3 359
    Citation Envoyé par J_Howell Voir le message
    • Not on Facebook, and unwilling to create a dummy account just to get a beta key.


    And I have no idea what you're talking about with codes coming from glff or large kinships. That doesn't happen on any of my servers.
    Especially when you have to share your friends list, email, name, picture, etc with a company you know nothing about and could easily steal your ID.

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  6. #6
    Date d'inscription
    octobre 2013
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    87
    Citation Envoyé par banjolier Voir le message
    • Unwilling to agree to an NDA.

    same here. I believe there shouldn't be any secrets and they should have disclosed this expansion 3 weeks ago! I don't like surprises, not since I was 12 or so. What I'd like to see is the truth of whats coming, not some spin on how I should feel about it.
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  7. #7
    Date d'inscription
    juin 2011
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    1 054
    Citation Envoyé par LaGere Voir le message
    same here. I believe there shouldn't be any secrets and they should have disclosed this expansion 3 weeks ago! I don't like surprises, not since I was 12 or so. What I'd like to see is the truth of whats coming, not some spin on how I should feel about it.
    Well, having testing of a product in development occur under NDA is actually due to a much more serious reason than a penchant for keeping secrets. It's because testers see the product in a very unfinished state in order to actually contribute testing.

    Since people tend not to listen very much to notices like "all details subject to change" when they get info, creating talk about bugged content, unfinished textures and dead-end questlines will create a lot more negative word-of-mouth than is actually warranted, as most of these are fixed before launch. This has been the case with all prior LOTRO expansions, and I can't actually imagine a beta testing of any software that doesn't follow that pattern. The NDA is in such cases are meant to keep the discussion to actually informed people until such time as it's fit to actually show to the public.



    For the actual topic of the thread: I avoid betas since I want to see the new content in the right context, and I'm not sure I'd actually be a very good tester since my playtime is already limited.

  8. #8
    Date d'inscription
    décembre 2008
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    936
    • No time to test properly
    • Worried I won't have enough time to get enough Bounder Tokens before the 18th to get things I want
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  9. #9
    Date d'inscription
    juillet 2008
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    1 830
    Citation Envoyé par Cadd_EU Voir le message
    Well, having testing of a product in development occur under NDA is actually due to a much more serious reason than a penchant for keeping secrets. It's because testers see the product in a very unfinished state in order to actually contribute testing.

    Since people tend not to listen very much to notices like "all details subject to change" when they get info, creating talk about bugged content, unfinished textures and dead-end questlines will create a lot more negative word-of-mouth than is actually warranted, as most of these are fixed before launch. This has been the case with all prior LOTRO expansions, and I can't actually imagine a beta testing of any software that doesn't follow that pattern. The NDA is in such cases are meant to keep the discussion to actually informed people until such time as it's fit to actually show to the public.



    For the actual topic of the thread: I avoid betas since I want to see the new content in the right context, and I'm not sure I'd actually be a very good tester since my playtime is already limited.
    This is not a real beta test. This is all about marketing and revenue. They are getting paid by some Facebook company. Players give the facebook company their personal info, it gets sold to other companies, and Turbine gets a fee.

    The whole point of a beta is that it's feature complete. All that is left is tweaking. The programmers likely have reams of bugs to fix from the real, internal beta they ran before this phony one.

  10. #10
    Date d'inscription
    août 2009
    Messages
    88
    - Can't be bothered to waste my time playing a game that's just gonna be wiped in a few weeks. My time is limited enough already.

  11. #11
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    janvier 2012
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    187
    I'm not being paid to do it.

  12. #12
    Date d'inscription
    avril 2007
    Localisation
    Gallifrey. I need a Jelly Baby.
    Messages
    18 367
    Video card is dead, all I can do now is play on an old laptop. I probably could get the beta to run, but my heart is not into it.
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  13. #13
    Date d'inscription
    avril 2007
    Localisation
    Louisiana
    Messages
    254
    Citation Envoyé par trancejeremy Voir le message
    This is not a real beta test. This is all about marketing and revenue. They are getting paid by some Facebook company. Players give the facebook company their personal info, it gets sold to other companies, and Turbine gets a fee.

    The whole point of a beta is that it's feature complete. All that is left is tweaking. The programmers likely have reams of bugs to fix from the real, internal beta they ran before this phony one.
    I can't say much about the Facebook thing, though I doubt Turbine gets a kickback from that.

    From my experience in every closed beta from MoM to RoR and none of them were phony betas. All of them have had issues being addressed during the beta. MoM a bit less than the later ones.
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  14. #14
    Date d'inscription
    juin 2011
    Messages
    1 544
    Citation Envoyé par trancejeremy Voir le message
    The whole point of a beta is that it's feature complete. All that is left is tweaking. The programmers likely have reams of bugs to fix from the real, internal beta they ran before this phony one.
    Ideally that would be true, but based on the Rohan beta I can assure you that it wasn't even close to feature complete when it started (not by my definition at least). Key NPCs missing, quests not completable, endgame (Hytbold) only implemented after half of beta was over already. Mounted combat was there, but barely playable (not talking about lags here).
    And this time they not only have new content, but also a total class rework, a changed threat concept and a new instance system. I don't want to imagine how much of that actually worked at the start of this beta.
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  15. #15
    Date d'inscription
    février 2007
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    12 677
    I haven't participated in a beta for over 2 years now. Basically, I can't put in the time to make it useful, and don't really want to know everything about the story and gameplay before it arrives.

    The NDA isn't a problem - I've participated in dozens of NDA testing programs over the past 20 years, and generally see them as useful (whether I'm asking someone else to sign an NDA for my own product, or whether I'm signing one for someone else's). Developing in a fishbowl is just isn't a great idea, IMO.

    Khafar

  16. #16
    Date d'inscription
    août 2009
    Messages
    26
    Citation Envoyé par robbie1435 Voir le message
    Especially when you have to share your friends list, email, name, picture, etc with a company you know nothing about and could easily steal your ID.
    This.

    I was going to snag a beta code from the recent promotion, until I found out it involves some 3rd party FB app. I have an FB account and "liked" Lotro long ago, but I do not give access to my FB info to any apps.
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  17. #17
    Date d'inscription
    janvier 2007
    Messages
    4 349
    No FB for me, thank you.

  18. #18
    Date d'inscription
    août 2007
    Localisation
    Kansas!
    Messages
    4 704
    I don't want to be in the beta.
    .
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  19. #19
    Date d'inscription
    septembre 2011
    Localisation
    Glarinsdal, Roaring Road 1
    Messages
    51
    I instantly got my beta-code when it was available the first time. Got no problems with the NDA neither. What bugs me is, that i have to fully download the Game a second time.

  20. #20
    Date d'inscription
    décembre 2008
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    Pacific Northwest
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    4 363
    Citation Envoyé par Arnvald Voir le message
    I instantly got my beta-code when it was available the first time. Got no problems with the NDA neither. What bugs me is, that i have to fully download the Game a second time.
    Apparently you do have a problem with the NDA because you just violated it?
    I'd explain it to you, but I'm all out of Puppets and Crayons.
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  21. #21
    Date d'inscription
    avril 2007
    Localisation
    Gallifrey. I need a Jelly Baby.
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    18 367
    Citation Envoyé par Beaniemooch Voir le message
    Apparently you do have a problem with the NDA because you just violated it?

    But he is replying to a thread asking why isn't he in Beta. He may have just never used the code and is explaining why not.
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  22. #22
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    mars 2007
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    12 981
    Citation Envoyé par Nymphonic Voir le message
    But he is replying to a thread asking why isn't he in Beta. He may have just never used the code and is explaining why not.
    I *suppose* that to say one has received a Beta invitation but didn't use it, while it comes near to
    the NDA line, doesn't cross it. What it comes down to is saying "I'm not in Beta" when that is a true
    statement.

    It is not disclosing any information about Beta. Indeed, it is stating that the poster has no information
    to disclose.

    Except that Beta is running, and we all knew that.
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  23. #23
    Date d'inscription
    avril 2009
    Localisation
    Everywhere
    Messages
    1 693
    For me, if I am not in a Beta test it is most likely that I just don't have the time. However, any time I've had the chance to participate in the beta testing for any game, the experience tends to be fun. Regardless of what "stage" the product is actually in, it is always fun interacting directly with the developers and helping them to get everything ready for the public.
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  24. #24
    Date d'inscription
    juin 2011
    Messages
    19
    Don't want to ruin the storyline/content for myself before it goes live.

  25. #25
    Date d'inscription
    mai 2007
    Messages
    1 647
    Citation Envoyé par StarLightning Voir le message
    We all have different reason for not participating in Beta. What is yours?

    • Because there is already enough potential for disappointment in real life.
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