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Discussion: Hill-Men Languages

  1. #1
    Date d'inscription
    novembre 2011
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    United States (PST)
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    34

    Hill-Men Languages

    Hello, all. I am not sure if this has already been addressed somewhere, but I could not find such a thread, and so thought I would make one myself.

    I was travelling once more through Eriador, and encountering the various Hill-men tribes again, particularly in Angmar. Can anyone comment on the origins of the place names and titles in the Hill-man language? I assume there was no work done on this by the Professor, but is this a case like the Lossoth where there are more-or-less direct translations in a real-world, analogous language? Or were the names picked out of a hat? If this is the case, is there a list somewhere of what these places mean?

    The developers historically seem to put a lot of time into making the names just right, and I was just wondering about the Hill-man languages.

  2. #2
    Date d'inscription
    juin 2011
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    4 Twinfall Path, Tund Nir, Falathlorn Homesteads, Eldar
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    The Lossoth speak Finnish. But upon re-reading your post, I see that you probably already knew that. Oops.
    Dernière modification par angryhands ; 06/10/2013 à 02h40.

  3. #3
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    avril 2010
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    The language of the Hillmen of Rhudaur and Angmar is based off Scots Gaelic.
    The language of the Dunlendings is Welsh.

    The use of Celtic languages to reflect a 'translated' Middle-earth language of these Eriadorian peoples is likely due to Tolkien basically using a few Brythonic Celtic elements in his works.
    From Tolkien's "Guide to the Names in the Lord of the Rings"
    Archet. This is actually an English place-name of Celtic origin. It is used in the nomenclature of Bree to represent a stratum of names older than those in the Common Speech or Hobbit language. So also Bree, an English place-name from a Celtic word for 'hill'. Therefore retain Archet and Bree unaltered, since these names no longer have a recognized meaning in English. Chetwood is a compound of Celtic and English, both elements meaning 'wood'; compare Brill, in Oxfordshire, derived from bree + híll. Therefore in Chetwood retain Chet and translate -wood.
    You can add to this the names of many of the Brandybuck family which are basically Welsh, the idea being that the Stoors of Buckland preserved Welsh names from when they lived in Dunland.

  4. #4
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    décembre 2008
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    Middle Earth, Arda
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    Cool

    Then the stoors where short dunlendings? I knew there was something familiar between Nona & Farmer Maggot.

  5. #5
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    avril 2007
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    Gallifrey. I need a Jelly Baby.
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    Citation Envoyé par YamydeAragon Voir le message
    Then the stoors where short dunlendings? I knew there was something familiar between Nona & Farmer Maggot.
    Well they are both cranky!
    Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, totally worn out & proclaiming "WOW, what a ride!"
    [I][FONT=comic sans ms][COLOR=#ffff00]Continuing the never ending battle to keep Lobelia Sackville-Baggins in check[/COLOR][/FONT][/I]

  6. #6
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    décembre 2008
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    I was thinking on more like the physical description (apart how tall) but that too. Thought Farmer Maggot is cranky on the way a old man is to the kids that mischief. Nona is cranky on the way of impatient young. She probably will grow up to be like him someday.

  7. #7
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    avril 2007
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    Gallifrey. I need a Jelly Baby.
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    Citation Envoyé par YamydeAragon Voir le message
    . She probably will grow up to be like him someday.

    Yup! And will have a couple of dogs that will chase youngins that try to steal her mushrooms!
    Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, totally worn out & proclaiming "WOW, what a ride!"
    [I][FONT=comic sans ms][COLOR=#ffff00]Continuing the never ending battle to keep Lobelia Sackville-Baggins in check[/COLOR][/FONT][/I]

  8. #8
    Date d'inscription
    décembre 2008
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    Citation Envoyé par Nymphonic Voir le message
    Yup! And will have a couple of dogs that will chase youngins that try to steal her mushrooms!
    I rather have the dogs haunting me than a angry woman. I can make the dogs happy drowing them a slab of bacon. & Nona is specially scary when she gets mad, she soloed that giant at Wildemore.

 

 

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