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Discussion: New class

  1. #26
    Date d'inscription
    mars 2007
    Messages
    14 235
    I will note that IF we had a Beorning class, which won't happen for reasons listed above
    (they aren't a race or even a kinship, they are a smallish extended family), unarmed
    combat would be something they were good at. They are based on the legendary
    (not Tolkien's lore, Anglo-Saxon) hero Beowulf, whose name is a kenning for "bear"*
    and who echoes that distant Indo-European figure, the bear's son. Like the bear,
    Beowulf fights best with his hands. At the end of the epic, when he has to use a
    sword on a dragon*, he manages to kill it but is himself slain in the process.

    But we aren't going to have Beornings.

    _____
    * It means "bee-wolf." Bears, both real and were-, like honey.
    ** Who, like Smaug, has had a cup stolen from his hoard and goes on a rampage.
    Eruanne - Shards of Narsil-1 - Elendilmir -> Arkenstone

  2. #27
    Date d'inscription
    avril 2007
    Messages
    184
    The Brawlers' weapons and legendary items could be;

    1. Bracers? Or Knuckles? (They would be one item, like a 2hander)
    2. Belt (like a guardian belt)

    You guys have some good points about a fisticuffs class "not fitting" in the lore,
    But there are quite a few bigger lore breakers in the game that we've accepted.

  3. #28
    Date d'inscription
    mars 2008
    Messages
    1 621
    Do you feel this is a class that is NEEDED because there is an UNFILLED ROLE or GAP in the existing classes, or do you just want something new because you are bored? What would this class do that an existing class doesn't, besides the choice of weapons? Asking for something new just to have something new is dumb.
    "The LOTRO Store will offer convenience, not advantage." -Patience
    "These pots are only available in the store and they are not available via crafting. Nor do we have any plans for this to change right now." -Frelorn

  4. #29
    Date d'inscription
    avril 2007
    Messages
    184
    Are wardens needed since we already have a guardian?
    Or for that matter should champs and captains have a tanking tree?
    Are DPS RKs needed since we already have other DPS classes?
    Are Healing RKs needed since we already have minstrels?
    Your argument on what's needed falls short, there are so many things in the
    Game that aren't needed but wanted for diverse gameplay and for fun.
    Also try not to be insulting by calling people's opinions Dumb.

  5. #30
    Date d'inscription
    juin 2011
    Localisation
    Bristol, England
    Messages
    7 655
    Citation Envoyé par djheydt Voir le message
    I They are based on the legendary
    (not Tolkien's lore, Anglo-Saxon) hero Beowulf, whose name is a kenning for "bear"*
    and who echoes that distant Indo-European figure, the bear's son. Like the bear,
    Beowulf fights best with his hands.
    Hardly, as he kills Grendel's mother with a massive Giant-forged sword that he finds in her lair, after finding that Hrunting, the sword he'd been given by Hrothgar, couldn't pierce her hide. The fight with the dragon is to give him the good death that warriors wished for, rather than the 'straw death' of dying in bed of old age - it had nothing to do with him having used a sword. Nobody would expect a hero to wrestle with a dragon! He'd only gone up against Grendel unarmed because he thought it unsporting to use weapons against an unarmed foe.

  6. #31
    Date d'inscription
    juin 2011
    Localisation
    Bristol, England
    Messages
    7 655
    Citation Envoyé par GSO86 Voir le message
    The Brawlers' weapons and legendary items could be;

    1. Bracers? Or Knuckles? (They would be one item, like a 2hander)
    2. Belt (like a guardian belt)

    You guys have some good points about a fisticuffs class "not fitting" in the lore,
    But there are quite a few bigger lore breakers in the game that we've accepted.
    The others are there to fit stereotypes that people would really miss (and complain about) if they wereen't there, e.g. the RK being an elemental mage. However, nobody in their right mind really expects to see anyone going around punching Orcs and kicking Trolls in LOTR, because there's absolutely no sane reason why they wouldn't use proper weapons. Just as the RK has always looked damn silly waving bits of stone about, so too would this 'Brawler' using brass knuckles, bagh nakha or any other such weaponry that was never used in war.

  7. #32
    Date d'inscription
    janvier 2013
    Localisation
    Ponyville
    Messages
    382
    Citation Envoyé par GSO86 Voir le message

    You guys have some good points about a fisticuffs class "not fitting" in the lore,
    But there are quite a few bigger lore breakers in the game that we've accepted.
    True as that is we don't want any more lore brakes

 

 
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