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Discussion: Learning Elvish

  1. #1
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    août 2013
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    N.Ireland
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    4

    Learning Elvish

    Im interested in learning Elivish both verbally and the written language and was wondering if anyone knows anywhere online where I am able to learn both

  2. #2
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    février 2007
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    Tennessee
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    2 277
    Citation Envoyé par emerald_fox01 Voir le message
    Im interested in learning Elivish both verbally and the written language and was wondering if anyone knows anywhere online where I am able to learn both
    There seem to be several places and several Elvish languages.

    http://www.google.com/webhp?source=s...earning+elvish

    Maybe a followup question would be "which place to learn Elvish is the best"

  3. #3
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    mars 2011
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    Somewhere on the world
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    88
    Well, here we go again :P.

    I understand how you must feel about this, but I am sorry to crush your hopes by saying you may never be able to speak it properly in day to day stuff since a vast supply of material remains unpublished for us to use. Secondly, there is no way to learn Elvish. There are many many different Elvish languages, Quenya, Sindarin, Telerin, Ossiriandeb, to name but a few. Take my advice and start with Quenya. Search up Helge Fauskanger Quenya Course on google, and you should find the beginners course. Quenya is the eadiedt to learn, although it is still ridiculously hard for those new to languages. There are not many others you can learn. Quenya is convoluted and twisted enough with ouur limited knowledge, and Sindarin is barely learnable. You Can but of coursr, that is a lot of painstaking effort. A final note. Do not get entangled in Grelvish. Others will expand on that, but I am kind of sleepy now. You may google it yourself too and see why we linguists hate it so much. Goodluck, and happy learning!
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  4. #4
    Date d'inscription
    mars 2011
    Localisation
    Somewhere on the world
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    88
    Oh and as far as writing is concerned, there are two main writing systems: Tengwar and Certar. Letters and Runes, to be more simple. Both have a lot of rules and stuff behind them. A writing system is not a language, you must know the difference. Writing systems can be used to write nearly any language as long as appropriate letters exist for appropriate sounds. There are seperate courses, they shouldnt be too hard to find. I recommend googling 'I thiw ennorath' for a jumpstart. It should be on the Green Books website, an article by Ostadan.

  5. #5
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    avril 2010
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    Before attempting any course in Tolkien's Elvish languages I would answer the following question by filling in the blank:
    The process of assimilation which can manifest in various forms such when in medial position a voiceless stop become voiced, or a voiced stop become the corresponding homorganic fricative, is called ______.
    If you can answer this question or at least partially understand this question, feel free to try and learn Quenya or Sindarin.

    If this is unintelligible gobbledygook, I would strongly suggest heading to your local library and look for a reference work in introductory linguistics. Read the chapters on phonetics, phonology and morphology at the very least.

  6. #6
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    juin 2011
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    5
    To be fair, Tolkien (I think) never said any of his Elvish dialects were a fully functioning language - it was about Semantics. Semantically, I'd start with Quenya for the highbrow Stuff, Sindarin for the 'as common as elves can be' stuff, and research Sylvan or Tolkiens wood elves for the 'Wild' stuff.

    Theres much greater depth than this but thats the place to start in my opinion.

    Firstly, learn the phonetics - they were carefully designed to lean on real world historical languages, particularly but not exclusively northern european ones, then learn the words, and how they sound in the context of the phonetics (loads of web resources about words - the phonetics are covered in the appendices of the books) And then play with them - the Syntax was never fully formed (would take more than a few Tolkiens to do it!).

    Then, when you've got a feeling of the history of the words in terms of how it relates to real world cultures, and the wo'rds themselves with their ethereal or wild charms etc, sorted... Have fun with it!

    ^ Probably not a view everyone subscribes to, but just my own take on it.

  7. #7
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    juin 2008
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    3 Garden St, Dunberth, Bree
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    1 006

    Red face

    Citation Envoyé par Ceredig Voir le message
    Before attempting any course in Tolkien's Elvish languages I would answer the following question by filling in the blank:
    The process of assimilation which can manifest in various forms such when in medial position a voiceless stop become voiced, or a voiced stop become the corresponding homorganic fricative, is called ______.
    If you can answer this question or at least partially understand this question, feel free to try and learn Quenya or Sindarin.

    If this is unintelligible gobbledygook, I would strongly suggest heading to your local library and look for a reference work in introductory linguistics. Read the chapters on phonetics, phonology and morphology at the very least.
    I disagree. You can still learn words and phrases without taking a course in linguistics, though it would help (especially bits about the phonetic alphabet and the like).

    If you're just interested in learning some Sindarin, start with the appendices then start poking around online. This gal has some simple, short lessons as well, though I'm not sure her pronunciation is spot-on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnyPzLj2dFU

    This one isn't bad either: http://www.arwen-undomiel.com/elvish.html

    Good luck!
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