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  1. #351
    Date d'inscription
    juin 2011
    Messages
    642
    Good they finally do something about it. And its lots of fun to see how many are already trying to get around the rule by thinking up situations

    Plain and simple: if you play normally you have nothing to worry about.... so lets not stack up on possible scenario's. There's been too much attention for the rankfarmers already so lets not feed em more. Good job turbine on doing something, better late then never. Shame it can't be backtraced and get some corrections going, but something being done is the main thing

  2. #352
    Date d'inscription
    octobre 2010
    Localisation
    Southern Oregon, coast area
    Messages
    15

    Thumbs up

    Citation Envoyé par Aineas. Voir le message
    And its lots of fun to see how many are already trying to get around the rule by thinking up situations
    Good heavens, yes. It reminds me of George Carlin's old routine about kids in Catechism class.

    "E-lawyering" indeed.

  3. #353
    Date d'inscription
    juin 2011
    Localisation
    L.A.
    Messages
    110
    Citation Envoyé par Blackheart-Fury Voir le message
    /facepalm


    ........
    what do you mean by facepalm dude?

  4. #354
    Date d'inscription
    décembre 2007
    Localisation
    Australia
    Messages
    3 874
    Citation Envoyé par Thorgrum Voir le message
    You've read the policy though, they now have techniques to determine if your farming or not. So no matter how much E lawyering you do (even if its accurate) they now have the tools. Rest easy, there is no doubt that turbine will now correct this long standing issue in an efficient, well thought out and determined manner. Sarcasm aside, the bottom line is what its always been. Turbine will determine on a case by case basis regardless of what their policies actually say. Remember the old TOS about intended game play?
    That old thing, yes. I remember Turbine using that policy as an excuse to ban warleaders who were unintentionally stacking mobilise.

    Still could have been more well thought out.

  5. #355
    Date d'inscription
    octobre 2010
    Localisation
    Atlanta, Georgia
    Messages
    130
    Yay finally! ...Sucks that data.lotro is down and its now even harder to find farmers.

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  6. #356
    Date d'inscription
    janvier 2008
    Messages
    30

    Hope this will be enforced

    I have been gaming in LOTRO for five years and three years ago I nearly quit the game over this. I had never taken my Loremaster out to the Ettenmoores so I thought I would give it a try. I had never played a "freep" in the moors before so I really didn't understand about the "Ranger" you can use out there. So I tried it and was yelled and cursed out by the other "freep" players for "ruining their ranking." I had no idea what this "ranking" thing was all about. Their comments were vicious and hateful. Since I didn't understand the "way of the moors," I had no idea that what they were doing was illegal, so I never reported it.
    I am really not one to report things anyway, unless it's a game glitch. I think this is the second time I have even commented on the LOTRO forums.
    Anyway, it took me two more years before I went out on the "freep" side again. I don't go out there now really because the people out there are so into their "ranking" and can be so hateful. So LOTRO PVP is just not for me.
    [charsig=http://lotrosigs.level3.turbine.com/0620500000009d436/01006/signature.png]Avarial[/charsig]

  7. #357
    Date d'inscription
    octobre 2011
    Localisation
    N. Gate, Grams
    Messages
    1 002
    Citation Envoyé par Merridew Voir le message
    I have been gaming in LOTRO for five years and three years ago I nearly quit the game over this. I had never taken my Loremaster out to the Ettenmoores so I thought I would give it a try. I had never played a "freep" in the moors before so I really didn't understand about the "Ranger" you can use out there. So I tried it and was yelled and cursed out by the other "freep" players for "ruining their ranking." I had no idea what this "ranking" thing was all about. Their comments were vicious and hateful. Since I didn't understand the "way of the moors," I had no idea that what they were doing was illegal, so I never reported it.
    I am really not one to report things anyway, unless it's a game glitch. I think this is the second time I have even commented on the LOTRO forums.
    Anyway, it took me two more years before I went out on the "freep" side again. I don't go out there now really because the people out there are so into their "ranking" and can be so hateful. So LOTRO PVP is just not for me.
    Youll find nicer people on Creepside .
    Ridduk R14 WL
    Brandywine

  8. #358
    Date d'inscription
    janvier 2008
    Messages
    30
    Citation Envoyé par Blackheart-Fury Voir le message
    Youll find nicer people on Creepside .
    I have a warg and yes I have found a few nice warg packs to run with
    [charsig=http://lotrosigs.level3.turbine.com/0620500000009d436/01006/signature.png]Avarial[/charsig]

  9. #359
    Date d'inscription
    mars 2010
    Messages
    10

    Unhappy Regarding Rank Farming

    Can you guys make it easyer for people to get there Audacity Gear before stepping on the field? its just imposible to get the gear when you have to kill monster players and I only have 3 pieces. and when you have to kill monster players for the commidations you cant survive the hits with out the full audacity gear.


    If any response please get back.
    Dernière modification par Deathmatcher ; 04/09/2013 à 21h43. Motif: Misspelt word

  10. #360
    Date d'inscription
    mars 2010
    Messages
    12

    Unhappy PVP Farming- Too late to fairly fix.

    Seriously?? I never use the forums and have been a member/subscriber for almost 5 years now. I think its ridiculous that this is coming so loooooong after it should have been done. There are so many players that have abused this 'farming' option and are all running around with High Warden titles...which is Lauaghable....and gear they do not deserve. What are you going to do about that?? I have stayed away from your PVP all these years because there was never anything in place to combat this abuse which made the area really nothing more than a big joke. NO way to play fair and rank fairly with the loose manner of gameplay rules which made it senseless to even bother playing. I hope you are able to track down the cheats that have made the PVP option in LOTRO a complete mockery and either remove them or give them a new PVP Title for ALL of their toons which can not be turned off....and call them FARMERS so the rest of us can mock them for being cheats and mocking the game because they COULD. Glad to see you finally did something about it...but it is waaaaaaaaaaaay to late for those of us whom have been here since close to day one. PVP could have been a great experience here but so little thought went into ensuring 'fairplay' in the region that it became one of the most ridiculous efforts for PVP in MMO and anyone who plays the PVP options in other MMO's will tell you the same. TOOO LATE! Most of the people who play PVP in LOTRO are donkeys and cheats. But that's what you are going to get out there when the Devs don't do their jobs right? Cheers.

  11. #361
    Date d'inscription
    mars 2010
    Messages
    12
    They are a bunch of children for the most part but that's what you get when you leave a system open to be abused in the huge way that Turbine did with their PVP feature being so poorly thought out. It was and is a total Fail.

  12. #362
    Date d'inscription
    novembre 2011
    Localisation
    Stockholm, Sweden
    Messages
    941
    Hi,

    Good move Turbine! Much apprechiated


    Citation Envoyé par Deathmatcher Voir le message
    Can you guys make it easyer for people to get there Audacity Gear before stepping on the field? its just imposible to get the gear when you have to kill monster players and I only have 3 pieces. and when you have to kill monster players for the commidations you cant survive the hits with out the full audacity gear.

    If any response please get back.
    No, PLEASE NO!

    And impossible? Makes me wonder: How did you get your 3 first pieces?

    Please remember we creeps also need to kill something 'now and then' for commendations. We are not only in the Moors to give you easy comms. (Even though it sure sometimes feels like that is our intended purpose...)

    Regards
    /T
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  13. #363
    Date d'inscription
    juin 2011
    Localisation
    L.A.
    Messages
    110
    Citation Envoyé par Merridew Voir le message
    I have been gaming in LOTRO for five years and three years ago I nearly quit the game over this. I had never taken my Loremaster out to the Ettenmoores so I thought I would give it a try. I had never played a "freep" in the moors before so I really didn't understand about the "Ranger" you can use out there. So I tried it and was yelled and cursed out by the other "freep" players for "ruining their ranking." I had no idea what this "ranking" thing was all about. Their comments were vicious and hateful. Since I didn't understand the "way of the moors," I had no idea that what they were doing was illegal, so I never reported it.
    I am really not one to report things anyway, unless it's a game glitch. I think this is the second time I have even commented on the LOTRO forums.
    Anyway, it took me two more years before I went out on the "freep" side again. I don't go out there now really because the people out there are so into their "ranking" and can be so hateful. So LOTRO PVP is just not for me.

    this is why i said remove ranking n pve quests n you r absolutely right

  14. #364
    Date d'inscription
    juin 2011
    Localisation
    L.A.
    Messages
    110
    Citation Envoyé par Blackheart-Fury Voir le message
    Youll find nicer people on Creepside .
    really ? name one
    good people or bad are between both sides
    abusing people are between freeps equal to those between creeps
    i ve seen creepers abusing other creepers for same reasons more or less
    n those things are happening all the time to both sides
    i say remove rankings quests n audacity then you ll have pure pvp end of story

  15. #365
    Date d'inscription
    juin 2011
    Messages
    1 837
    Very simple. PvP leads to QQ.
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  16. #366
    Date d'inscription
    janvier 2013
    Messages
    1
    Citation Envoyé par CSM_River Voir le message
    Hello, I’m River, Customer Service Manager at Turbine.

    For some time now, the Customer Service team has been reading your comments and thoughts regarding “rank farming’. Together with the Developers, Community team, and players council we have come up with a clear, official definition and policy regarding “rank farming” in the Ettenmoors.

    “Rank Farming” is officially defined as the intentional surrender of your character to an enemy; resulting in a purposeful defeat and a gain of Infamy or renown to increase rank. Rank Farming is specific to Ettenmoors PvMP (Freep vs. Monster Player). The enemy can be controlled by any player - either the same player controlling the surrendering character, or someone else.

    Participation in Rank Farming is an abuse of our game mechanics, and against our rules. Customer Service can identify this behavior and will take the appropriate action on both accounts involved, based on our findings. This activity can also be reported to the in-game staff for review.

    This policy is effective immediately and is *not retroactive*. We will not be taking action on previous potential violations. Any reports filed should be of actions witnessed after the publication of this policy.

    Please remember that we have multiple ways to verify players are participating in this behavior. Additionally, players who frequently report others falsely may also be subject to disciplinary action for harassment.
    This is horrible news! how am I supposed to rank my char now!?

  17. #367
    Date d'inscription
    avril 2011
    Localisation
    Michigan
    Messages
    5 111
    Citation Envoyé par Deathmatcher Voir le message
    Can you guys make it easyer for people to get there Audacity Gear before stepping on the field? its just imposible to get the gear when you have to kill monster players and I only have 3 pieces. and when you have to kill monster players for the commidations you cant survive the hits with out the full audacity gear.

    If any response please get back.
    O.o That's the whole point of PvP. Get out there, fight creeps, earn the rewards. Not get them spoon-fed to you. If you have trouble soloing, find a group of fellow freeps to team up with.

    Citation Envoyé par badmofo850 Voir le message
    This is horrible news! how am I supposed to rank my char now!?
    I hope you are joking...
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  18. #368
    Date d'inscription
    novembre 2011
    Messages
    2
    Citation Envoyé par DutchEZmoder Voir le message
    Not really, Turbine got the right to ban any player from their game for any reason or no reason at all.
    I don't know where you've got that idea from, but it's absolutely untrue.

    You form an agreement with Turbine, according to the terms. They can ONLY legitimately ban or reprimand a person if they in some way breach a clause (or clauses). They cannot, and won't, ban you you or reprimand you for anything that is not clearly stated in that contract.

    No offence, but could you not make untrue claims like this, please? These sort of untruths have a habit of spreading, and it's a hard enough job trying to keep gamers aware of their consumer rights most of the time anyway.

    In any case, this is also precisely why they CANNOT retrospectively enforce a new (or amended) clause. The procedure is quite clear if there's a change, and that is an amended contract is offered, to which you agree, and is then binding.
    You simply cannot ban or take action against someone for breaching something which wasn't in force at the time of the supposed offence. This is quite apparent.

    Obviously, contracts are worded to be as all-inclusive in their terms as possible, but (as occasions like this has shown) sometimes unforeseen circumstances come along. And if the contract wasn't CLEARLY construed as to cover such incidents, then there is also no way to enforce them, as ambiguity will always side with the other party (i.e. the side that doesn't draw the contract up).

    I hope this clears this up.
    Dernière modification par crunchyfrog555 ; 07/09/2013 à 03h55.

  19. #369
    Date d'inscription
    décembre 2011
    Messages
    105
    Well lets get to the real point shall we.


    Turbine has completely screwed over the Moors completely. How many creeps paying to jump their accounts over to other servers? How many creeps have simply quit playing their accounts? How may complaints do you get a month about Freeps farming the creeps all over the map. How many complaints about auto-switching the Moors keeps to be mostly blue all during the day, then at 2am, you switch them back for the night time when no one is playing and then claim that its even?

    Who does all the rank farming anyway? Its the Freeps that's who. The creeps are not the VIP players, its the freeps who are. So, the only ones in the moors who even can rank farm are the VIP freeps. Do you honestly expect me to believe that your going to do a single thing to VIP freeps in the moors when all you have done so far is make it easier and easier for them to run the map on every server with overpower abilities and auto-switching keeps to blue during the daylight hours? What a friggen joke.

    No, its your own policies towards your VIP's that is destroying the moors and making all the creeps leave and constantly complain to you that its completely unfair, so don't even try to pretend to me that you actually give a damn about fair play and rank farming by your VIP freeps. You made the moors completely stacked in their favor because you got greedy and dumb, and now your paying the price for it with no one wanting to play creepside anymore. Who's to blame? Turbine and Warner Brothers. If you think trying to stop rank farming by your VIP freeps with little wrist slaps are going to fix it all your dead wrong. You are the ones who broke the moors first. The freeps are overpowered now and are running almost every server into the ground on the moors. Your money is going to dry up. You caused the moors to die by your overpowered freeps, keep auto-switching and a ton of other dumb ideas and I know damn well that your not going to do anything against your VIP high overpowered spawn camping freeps. So all stop playing pretend huh? The moors is dead, deal with it. You let the VIP freeps overpower and kill all the creeps and that's the end of it.

    No ones going to play creepside anymore, deal with it.
    Dernière modification par Sinkhan ; 07/09/2013 à 13h26.

  20. #370
    Date d'inscription
    juin 2011
    Localisation
    Slough,UK
    Messages
    1 024
    Today in Ettens, a few freeps caught sight of a Loremaster and 3 creeps all 4 with the same first 4 letters in the name. The Loremaster was killing them without any resistance. This by definition equates to rank farming but also it was obvious it was a multi-boxer. I reported said Loremaster and was quite rightly told that multi-boxing is not against the rules. But if rank farming is and multi boxing isnt... well colour me confuddled.


    Is rank farming by mulitboxing against the rules?
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  21. #371
    Date d'inscription
    juin 2009
    Messages
    1 275
    Citation Envoyé par Ellemere Voir le message
    Today in Ettens, a few freeps caught sight of a Loremaster and 3 creeps all 4 with the same first 4 letters in the name. The Loremaster was killing them without any resistance. This by definition equates to rank farming but also it was obvious it was a multi-boxer. I reported said Loremaster and was quite rightly told that multi-boxing is not against the rules. But if rank farming is and multi boxing isnt... well colour me confuddled.


    Is rank farming by mulitboxing against the rules?
    Yes. Here's the rule:

    Rank Farming” is officially defined as the intentional surrender of your character to an enemy; resulting in a purposeful defeat and a gain of Infamy or renown to increase rank. Rank Farming is specific to Ettenmoors PvMP (Freep vs. Monster Player). The enemy can be controlled by any player - either the same player controlling the surrendering character, or someone else.

  22. #372
    Date d'inscription
    mars 2007
    Localisation
    Arda
    Messages
    491
    Citation Envoyé par crunchyfrog555 Voir le message
    Citation Envoyé par DutchEZmoder Voir le message
    Not really, Turbine got the right to ban any player from their game for any reason or no reason at all.
    I don't know where you've got that idea from, but it's absolutely untrue.
    Actually, DutchEZmoder is correct.

    Terms of Service:
    "Turbine may revise, suspend, terminate or delete the Account at any time for any reason or no reason, with or without notice to you."
    US Source: http://www.turbine.com/en/content/lo...-terms-service
    EU Source: http://www.turbine.com/en/content/lo...-terms-service

    Edit: Before anyone gets picky and claims only accounts may be deleted for no reason at all, note that character bans fall under the "revise" category. It is in the spirit of the contract that individual characters may be banned, given that entire accounts may be banned.
    Dernière modification par DEATHKNYGHT ; 07/09/2013 à 11h03.

  23. #373
    Date d'inscription
    avril 2012
    Messages
    3

    Talking

    No more farming! Thank you turbine

  24. #374
    Date d'inscription
    juin 2011
    Messages
    103
    It was good to finally see some acton against greedie people who just ruin the game for everyone else.
    Thanks Turbine
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  25. #375
    Date d'inscription
    avril 2007
    Localisation
    Topeka, KS
    Messages
    1 072
    Thanks Turbine. But I am curious why this took so long. It was needed years ago. Now many farmers have their high ranks.
    Freeps: Venusia (Guardian), Silya (RK), Dwayr (Champion), Nissys (Captain), Filodon (Burgler), Tyveil (Lore-master)
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