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  1. #1
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    mai 2007
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    What I hate about being a Hunter...

    Why is it that BA's can use five different skills in the Ettenmoors while they move, yet Hunters can use none?

    Here's a typical 1v1 with a BA.

    You must face target.
    You can't do that while moving.
    You must face target.
    You can't do that while moving.
    You must face target.
    You can't do that while moving.
    You must face target.
    You can't do that while moving.
    You must face target.
    You are incapacitated.

    Annoying to say the least.

  2. #2
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    juin 2009
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    Precision stance, intent concentration, and focus pots are your friend.
    With focus you can use penetrating shot and blood arrow on the move. Melee stun if close, distracting shot for quick mezz. Needful haste and resolute aim equipped so you don't get interrupted.

    Just takes practice, don't give up!
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  3. #3
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    mai 2009
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    Best thing to annoy a BA is to move as well.

    Improved fleetness gives the best mobility for using skills on the move, as well as having an 85 armour set that makes penetrating shot and blood arrow cost 2 focus. With 4 of that set and 2 audacity (and the blue trait that gives you a focus back when you crit) you will almost be able to spam those two focus skills for about 30s, and from the post above, if you use a focus potion and intent concentration, that lasts much longer.

    A BA rarely expects a hunter to move, but when they do, the BA is at a disadvantage.
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  4. #4
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    mai 2007
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    Citation Envoyé par zalladi Voir le message
    Best thing to annoy a BA is to move as well.

    Improved fleetness gives the best mobility for using skills on the move, as well as having an 85 armour set that makes penetrating shot and blood arrow cost 2 focus. With 4 of that set and 2 audacity (and the blue trait that gives you a focus back when you crit) you will almost be able to spam those two focus skills for about 30s, and from the post above, if you use a focus potion and intent concentration, that lasts much longer.

    A BA rarely expects a hunter to move, but when they do, the BA is at a disadvantage.
    Unfortunately, Fleetness only lasts 15 seconds and has a 30s cooldown. BA's can use their skill as a toggle and can toggle it on and off in combat.

    All I am asking for is a similar skill for Hunters instead of something that only last 15 seconds.

  5. #5
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    mars 2007
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    When traited fleetness last for 30s, so pretty much you can it up all the time. Only issues I have had with BA's is the lucky 4k VT crit followed by the 5k Revenge or their 30s you cant touch me skill which just about ever BA hits that I have run across unless it on CD

  6. #6
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    mai 2007
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    Citation Envoyé par Vongs666 Voir le message
    When traited fleetness last for 30s, so pretty much you can it up all the time. Only issues I have had with BA's is the lucky 4k VT crit followed by the 5k Revenge or their 30s you cant touch me skill which just about ever BA hits that I have run across unless it on CD
    But, again, as a Hunter you are still limited to the skills you can use. You still get "You can't do that while moving" if you try to use most of your ranged skills while moving, even with Improved Fleetness. All IF really does is decrease your miss chance on the two skills you can already use while moving.

    If I am a level 85 Hunter, I should have enough skill and knowledge to shoot a bow and arrow while on the move.

    Another skill I would like to see is something akin to a Burglar's stealth, like "Improved Camouflage", where Hunters can move around while stealthed, albeit at a reduced rate of speed (something similar to Sylvan Shadows).

  7. #7
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    juin 2011
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    Hunters should never be able to use focus building skills on the move. You are basically asking to have the entire focus system scrapped. Just read the tooltip when you hover over the focus bar. This will never happen(I hope). This is especially true when your reasoning is PvP.

    You are asking them to change the only thing that makes hunters a little challenging to play. I would quit this game if they changed the basics of the only class I really like playing. This is the kind of thing that makes me worry about the class revamps. I would recommend you try other classes if you don't like this one. That is how I got to a hunter. I didn't like the first couple of classes I played.
    Dernière modification par Cirgellon ; 11/07/2013 à 17h06.

  8. #8
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    mai 2009
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    Citation Envoyé par Elderban Voir le message
    Unfortunately, Fleetness only lasts 15 seconds and has a 30s cooldown. BA's can use their skill as a toggle and can toggle it on and off in combat.

    All I am asking for is a similar skill for Hunters instead of something that only last 15 seconds.
    As stated in previous posts above, when traited accompanied with the blue legendary trait, it lasts for 30s and provides more speed in using skills (Hence why I said Improved Fleetness), making it up nearly 100% of the time.

    It also helps kiting through a BA's Moving Target, instead of just standing there and attempting to mouse turn.



    Edit: Response to:

    Another skill I would like to see is something akin to a Burglar's stealth, like "Improved Camouflage", where Hunters can move around while stealthed, albeit at a reduced rate of speed (something similar to Sylvan Shadows).
    About 2 years ago there was a Q&A with the older hunter developer, and take a look at the final question:

    Have you ever given to thought about hunters going further into usage of stealth skills?
    Citation Envoyé par Zombie_Columbus
    Short answer, no. Longer answer, pushback from the Hunter community when even a new AOE skill is introduced tells me that messing with Stealth would be looked down upon. Keeping Camouflage as a thematic one-of skill feels like the right place to be for now.
    Now, I won't say their view has changed on this, especially as ZC is no longer the hunter developer, but since there is a burglar class that is dedicated to stealth skills, the chances of us getting a further shot into stealth usage is slim.
    Dernière modification par zalladi ; 11/07/2013 à 18h05.
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  9. #9
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    octobre 2010
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    Citation Envoyé par zalladi Voir le message
    As stated in previous posts above, when traited accompanied with the blue legendary trait, it lasts for 30s and provides more speed in using skills (Hence why I said Improved Fleetness), making it up nearly 100% of the time.

    It also helps kiting through a BA's Moving Target, instead of just standing there and attempting to mouse turn.



    Edit: Response to:



    About 2 years ago there was a Q&A with the older hunter developer, and take a look at the final question:




    Now, I won't say their view has changed on this, especially as ZC is no longer the hunter developer, but since there is a burglar class that is dedicated to stealth skills, the chances of us getting a further shot into stealth usage is slim.
    Oh man, that quote just reminded me at how much I laughed at ZC's flawed logic in some of his replies in that thread (particularly that one; Split Shot). The problem had nothing to do with adding a new AoE skill, the problem was with how poorly they designed and balanced that particular skill. Thanks for the laugh :P
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  10. #10
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    septembre 2011
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    AFK in Dol Amroth
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    The moment focus build skills on the move is announced, qq threads will spread like wildfire. Mostly from creeps though as it would make the class OP. Then it would break the class for me-making a basic class even easier to play and still do tons of damage.
    How would you feel if a hunter kited you as a warg,reaver,wl as he spams 4k hits while building focus and keeping slows up in the process?

    While I do agree that itwould make sense for hunters to camo on the move(or remove animation/cd) I doubt we will ever get it.

    Just my 2 cents
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  11. #11
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    juin 2011
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    Citation Envoyé par Lenilie Voir le message
    Oh man, that quote just reminded me at how much I laughed at ZC's flawed logic in some of his replies in that thread (particularly that one; Split Shot). The problem had nothing to do with adding a new AoE skill, the problem was with how poorly they designed and balanced that particular skill. Thanks for the laugh :P
    Yea. Joke-Shot. The 'Mildly irritate two targets in the act of giving each other a big tight hug' skill. It was utterly indefensible.

    The - 'yea we had to nerf strong draw because it was so useful' line is also worth an eye-rolling chortle or two as well.
    Dernière modification par Kongas ; 12/07/2013 à 06h51.

  12. #12
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    juillet 2009
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    46
    *Facepalm* That is all I need to say to most hunters nowadays.
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  13. #13
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    août 2011
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    452
    Hunters have the skills they have for a reason. Having more "on the move" skills will just make this class easier than it already is. As someone else stated, how would you feel if you were a warg/reaver/WL 1v1ing a hunter and he can just spam 4k hits while building focus AND slowing you the entire time so that you can't even reach him? The process of building and maintaining focus while hitting and kiting and defending yourself is what makes the hunter so much fun to me, in the moors at least.

    Just my thoughts
    [Jonp - Rank 11 Hunter] [Garaluk - Rank 9 Reaver]

  14. #14
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    avril 2007
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    Citation Envoyé par Bolt78 Voir le message
    focus pots are your friend.
    No offense, but if you use focus pots in a 1v1, you're doing it wrong. They were never even intended for the moors in the first place, but Turbine lets them go now for some reason.

    Anyway, vs. a BA, just make sure your blue line obv for 1v1s, have improved fleetness traited, get NH going. I highly recommend traiting Rapid Recovery; that 2 second reduction for all melee skills and -10 second Dazing Blow goes a long way in a 1v1. Also, Resolute Aim is a MUST for 1v1ing on hunter, or you're screwed from the start.

    Keep moving with the BA if he is gonna stick on you close and keep pen shotting and blindsiding to build focus when you can, while trying to get the occasional ISB in, as well as using Scourging Blow to land Barbed Arrow. Getting a few Quick Shots here and there is nice for extra focus as well. Make sure you utilize all your CC available to you, too, to keep them off balance. Throwing in some Swift Strokes for the chance at Agile Rejoinder heal is nice as well.
    Dernière modification par joshy8910 ; 20/07/2013 à 14h41.

  15. #15
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    juin 2009
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    Citation Envoyé par joshy8910 Voir le message
    No offense, but if you use focus pots in a 1v1, you're doing it wrong. They were never even intended for the moors in the first place, but Turbine lets them go now for some reason.
    Lol none taken, I feel the same way about if you go to the open PvP area in LOTRO to look for 1v1s and insist that people follow rules that never made it into the game :-)

    I've been caught solo, and I expect them to do what they have to in order to stay alive. i guess Wargs aren't supposed to disappear after they jump you and they start to lose either. It happens. No offense to anyone that's all about the 1v1s but I choose to play by the rules Turbine set, not players.

    To each his own I guess.
    Dernière modification par Bolt78 ; 21/07/2013 à 22h43.
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  16. #16
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    avril 2007
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    Citation Envoyé par Bolt78 Voir le message
    Lol none taken, I feel the same way about if you go to the open PvP area in LOTRO to look for 1v1s and insist that people follow rules that never made it into the game :-)

    I've been caught solo, and I expect them to do what they have to in order to stay alive. i guess Wargs aren't supposed to disappear after they jump you and they start to lose either. It happens. No offense to anyone that's all about the 1v1s but I choose to play by the rules Turbine set, not players.

    To each his own I guess.
    No worries, I was just saying that many good hunters/players frown upon the use of focus pots in 1v1s (mainly organized) and do fine without them, but people/players can do what they want, it won't make them better though relying on things such as that. I have no problem with it, I just frown upon it . Obviously I would say they are fine to use if you got jumped or the person you're fighting pops an erroneous amount of cds, or if it's impromptu, then feel free to use one haha.

    I prefer to live by player set rules, as they usually have more integrity than Turbine's :P. If you can't tell, I'm a long time 1v1er haha.

    When being jumped by wargs though, make sure you use the Viagra of hunters: precision stance with full focus , so you're never caught with your guard down. Gotta keep it up!
    Dernière modification par joshy8910 ; 21/07/2013 à 23h12.

  17. #17
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    juillet 2009
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    California
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    I play in the Moors with a full PvE set and jewellery on. I run with Imp Fleetness, 2 set Bowmaster (Greater) and 4 set Huntsman (Greater) and I never lose fights to anything other than a warleader. I can take out 20k on a BA in about 5 Penshots + Blood Arrow in the time they get me from 7k health to 3k. (I use focus pots [on occasion, mainly impromptu fights] and hit for 4-6k with a crit pen and have insta cast heartseekers [with resets]).

    Imo, stacking damage and just blowing them while staying mobile is the best way to 1v1 anything. Only stop to fire off a Heart Seeker (If you don't have 4 set hunstman and a resetting heart seeker do not stop moving in circles around them).

    Always use Cry of the Predator as soon as in melee range, and then hit em with dazing blow, it makes them very angry and they start to focus less).

    You win.
    Dernière modification par Dontalan ; 28/07/2013 à 04h30.

  18. #18
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    avril 2007
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    Citation Envoyé par Dontalan Voir le message
    I play in the Moors with a full PvE set and jewellery on. I run with Imp Fleetness, 2 set Bowmaster (Greater) and 4 set Huntsman (Greater) and I never lose fights to anything other than a warleader. I can take out 20k on a BA in about 5 Penshots + Blood Arrow in the time they get me from 7k health to 3k. (I use focus pots [on occasion, mainly impromptu fights] and hit for 4-6k with a crit pen and have insta cast heartseekers [with resets]).

    Imo, stacking damage and just blowing them while staying mobile is the best way to 1v1 anything. Only stop to fire off a Heart Seeker (If you don't have 4 set hunstman and a resetting heart seeker do not stop moving in circles around them).

    Always use Cry of the Predator as soon as in melee range, and then hit em with dazing blow, it makes them very angry and they start to focus less).

    You win.
    If ranked, full audacity creeps are losing to you in a 1v1 with you not wearing audacity, then they are doing it wrong. Props to you if you are winning with a pve set and no audacity, though. I'd love to see some screenies, or a video if possible, against high ranked creeps. I'd suggest you try out audacity if you are having trouble with warleaders though. Nearly 6 second stun with no audacity ftl (rank 9+ or storebought anyway).
    Dernière modification par joshy8910 ; 28/07/2013 à 05h18.

  19. #19
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    Citation Envoyé par Dontalan Voir le message
    (I use focus pots [on occasion, mainly impromptu fights] and hit for 4-6k with a crit pen and have insta cast heartseekers [with resets]).
    I'm sorry, I'm having a hard time believing that. Screenshot in the moors for evidence?
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  20. #20
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    septembre 2011
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    If you look.down on focus pots, then you should also look down on hunters swap buffing before a 1v1 also. Getting all rhose armor swaps,LI switches and clickies give quite a big diff. Just a thought. Its just getting that fleet swaps and getting all buffed makes you hit so hard at the start.

    Even if he exaggerated with the 5k+, hitting 4k PS a few times during a fight makes quite a.diff. Totally possible to hit that againsts ranked creeps. Maybe those 6ks againsts those wargs with little or no aud when you are rocking serious masteries. 50k+ pretty much laughs at aud.
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  21. #21
    Date d'inscription
    juillet 2009
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    Citation Envoyé par zalladi Voir le message
    I'm sorry, I'm having a hard time believing that. Screenshot in the moors for evidence?
    I'm not allowed to post screenshots or video's anymore, but you can ask Fearthisname what it felt like to get hit for 9k with Blood Arrow then a 13k Heart seeker last night
    Also I have tried audacity, it does make fights easier but I like watching them melt and then QQ afterwards. Its much more entertaining.

  22. #22
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    juillet 2009
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    Also Zall, ask Helly about my pen shots (or even Melbi or Maur) they know all too well.

  23. #23
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    janvier 2012
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    If hunter is in good hands, it is very strong class, but if jerk is playing hunter, than it is disaster.

  24. #24
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    mai 2009
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    Citation Envoyé par Dontalan Voir le message
    I'm not allowed to post screenshots or video's anymore, but you can ask Fearthisname what it felt like to get hit for 9k with Blood Arrow then a 13k Heart seeker last night
    Also I have tried audacity, it does make fights easier but I like watching them melt and then QQ afterwards. Its much more entertaining.
    My apologies.

    After being out of the moors for over a year, I forgot to factor in the Battlefield promotion and outpost buffs which would make it very possible.
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  25. #25
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    avril 2007
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    Citation Envoyé par Patriotp3a Voir le message
    If you look.down on focus pots, then you should also look down on hunters swap buffing before a 1v1 also. Getting all rhose armor swaps,LI switches and clickies give quite a big diff. Just a thought. Its just getting that fleet swaps and getting all buffed makes you hit so hard at the start.

    Even if he exaggerated with the 5k+, hitting 4k PS a few times during a fight makes quite a.diff. Totally possible to hit that againsts ranked creeps. Maybe those 6ks againsts those wargs with little or no aud when you are rocking serious masteries. 50k+ pretty much laughs at aud.
    I think they should disable some pve sets in the moors. People in RoI used to use the Saruman set bonus that gives you 1 less focus req for pen shot/blood arrow. They should make it so people have to use pvp gear and it becomes more viable.

    Citation Envoyé par Dontalan Voir le message
    I'm not allowed to post screenshots or video's anymore, but you can ask Fearthisname what it felt like to get hit for 9k with Blood Arrow then a 13k Heart seeker last night
    Also I have tried audacity, it does make fights easier but I like watching them melt and then QQ afterwards. Its much more entertaining.
    Why wouldn't you be allowed to post videos/screenies anymore? Can you give me a link to your Youtube channel then?

    So, what you're saying is a properly geared hunter is OP? Just like I thought. I think the hunter class itself is not OP, but if you get all the right gear for it, then watch out, it's OP as heck. The gear now like the gold jewelry bonuses you can get are just ridiculous.
    Dernière modification par joshy8910 ; 04/08/2013 à 03h01.

 

 
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