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Discussion: Dwarf Warden

  1. #26
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    juin 2011
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    Citation Envoyé par Novavar Voir le message
    So what does the dwarf not have the right to defend their lands? I mean Moria has doors and doors are boundaries, so can doors not be breached, do they not need protected as well? And Moria isnt the only dwarf area i mean how about ered luin is that to be taken easily are their forces to be pushed to thorins hall so they can sit behind a door doing nothing?
    I vote dwarf warden
    it only would look wrong out dwarf always use have armor why try to see a dwarf in leather ihh! it look wrong!!!!!!!!

  2. #27
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    février 2007
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    1
    Citation Envoyé par Novavar Voir le message
    So what does the dwarf not have the right to defend their lands? I mean Moria has doors and doors are boundaries, so can doors not be breached, do they not need protected as well? And Moria isnt the only dwarf area i mean how about ered luin is that to be taken easily are their forces to be pushed to thorins hall so they can sit behind a door doing nothing?
    I vote dwarf warden
    I agree, we should have the option to play as a Dwarf Warden. Honestly I think all classes should be available to all races.
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  3. #28
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    mai 2010
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    47
    I still don't realy understand how dwarves(not dorfs) are lazy and worthless. Yes they're greedy, mainly because of the rings of power given to them, and that's all the happened. Can I remind you all what happened to the human kings? Aside from being the greatest craftsmen in middle earth, rivaled only by the elves of old, last time I checked the dwarves fought a long and extremely costly war in the north that utterly decimated the goblin and Orc population to the point were even 150 years later when the events of lord of the rings took place it was still extremely small and if the war had not been fought the fellowship may never of made it to mordor and the free peoples of middle earth may very well have lost the war. Oh ya and what are the elves doing during all of this? Leaving middle earth leaving the rest of the races to fight the evils of the world them selves? What ancient race is staying despite they're numbers declining? Oh it's dwarves. Also despite the depiction if dwarves nowadays of grouchy drunks, dwarves are not just grouchy drunks despite what people think. They are great craftsmen, great musicians, always good on they're word, great friends if you can earn they're trust, they admire great works of art and beauty in nature, are among the best and hardiest warriors in middle earth. Shall I go on?
    Dernière modification par Skidfar ; 23/12/2012 à 16h40.
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  4. #29
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    janvier 2008
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    Citation Envoyé par Skidfar Voir le message
    I still don't realy understand how dwarves(not dorfs) are lazy and worthless. Yes they're greedy, mainly because of the rings of power given to them, and that's all the happened.
    You've got that a bit backwards. The Rings of Power *didn't work* on Dorfs because they were already corrupt.

    Dorf + evil ring made by Sauron = average Dorf without any ring.

    Not surprising since Sauron (Aule's chief Maia) almost certainly played a major role in creating Dorfs in the first place.

    Citation Envoyé par Skidfar Voir le message
    What ancient race is staying despite they're numbers declining? Oh it's dwarves.
    Dorfs are a race of abominations created in an act of sacrilege, so it's not like they have a lot of places to go.

    Citation Envoyé par Skidfar Voir le message
    Also despite the depiction if dwarves nowadays of grouchy drunks, dwarves are not just grouchy drunks despite what people think. They are great craftsmen, great musicians, always good on they're word, great friends if you can earn they're trust, they admire great works of art and beauty in nature, are among the best and hardiest warriors in middle earth. Shall I go on?
    Yes, please do - this is cracking me up!

    Read The Hobbit and remind me what a "great friend" Thorin Oakenshield was to Bilbo when Bilbo tried to help the people of Laketown, whose lives had been shattered by Dorf greed. Bilbo being the naïf who the lazy, greedy, cowardly Dorfs terrorized into taking all the risks for them, and the people of Laketown being the ones who (foolishly and selflessly) helped them!

    As for being "the best and hardiest warriors in Middle-Earth"...name one major glorious victory - in any age - won by Dorfs. You can't, because there aren't any. It is certainly true that Dorfs will fight fanatically to protect their gold (and nothing else). Their problem is that they always get their fat butts kicked.

    Even Hobbits (Battle of the Greenfields, Battle of Fornost) have a more illustrious military history than the hapless Dorfs.

    For that matter, read the LotR. During the attack on Chamber of Mazarbul, the fellowship slew 13 orcs before the rest fled. Sam got one. Legolas got two. Aragorn and Boromir slew "many". And Gimli, "among the best and hardiest warriors", hewed the legs out from under one. One. Orc.

    For those keeping score that makes:

    1 Sam (adorable but brave Hobbit who has never drawn a sword before in his life)
    1 Gimli ("best and hardiest warrior race"...no, really)
    2 Legolas (prissy Elf)
    9 Aragorn and Boromir (valiant Men)

    Then during the Battle of Helm's Deep, the Dorf *conveniently* finds his way into a nice, safe cave, the depths of which he somehow finds time to explore while Men are busy waging a life and death struggle to decide the fate of Middle Earth. He then has the brass to emerge - after valiant Men have won the day, of course - and claim to have killed 42 (ROFL) orcs. As if a Dorf could even count that high.

    "Best and hardiest warriors"?! Give me a break.

    Not Warden material.

    Not even close.
    Dernière modification par LagunaD ; 24/12/2012 à 13h37.

  5. #30
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    février 2012
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    16
    A lot of wardens don't want dwarves to be wardens because dwarves are not warden-like (see previous posts). Dwarves shouldn't want to be wardens because wardens are not dwarf-like. To quote the class description:
    "Wardens patrol the borders of civilized lands, preventing the encroachment of fell creatures from the Wild. They limit themselves to medium armour to travel swiftly and silently in defence of those they've sworn to protect."
    Let me draw a couple points:

    1. Wardens are basically the ultimate border patrol. Dwarves don't even really have borders to patrol, as they live in caves.

    2. Wardens travel swiftly and silently. Dwarves travel neither swiftly nor silently. Ever.

    3. They prevent the encroachment of fell creatures from the wild. Again, dwarves don't patrol the wild. This sounds very much like a ranger or an elf.

    With all these, hobbit wardens are definitely a stretch, but the point here is that a dwarf warden doesn't make sense at all.
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  6. #31
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    juin 2011
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    Citation Envoyé par Bealn Voir le message
    1. Wardens are basically the ultimate border patrol. Dwarves don't even really have borders to patrol, as they live in caves.
    Except for those that don't.

    Citation Envoyé par Bealn Voir le message
    2. Wardens travel swiftly and silently. Dwarves travel neither swiftly nor silently. Ever.
    Unless they're hunters.

    Citation Envoyé par Bealn Voir le message
    3. They prevent the encroachment of fell creatures from the wild. Again, dwarves don't patrol the wild. This sounds very much like a ranger or an elf.
    They do, however, need to prevent the creatures of the wild from entering their caves. Nothing was mentioned here about patrols. Though I'm sure they could do that too.

    Citation Envoyé par Bealn Voir le message
    With all these, hobbit wardens are definitely a stretch, but the point here is that a dwarf warden doesn't make sense at all.
    Because Hobbits don't have borders, move quietly or need to deal with wild creatures?

    Great points.

    H.

  7. #32
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    septembre 2009
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    St Louis Mo
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    1 999
    Citation Envoyé par Bealn Voir le message
    To quote the class description:
    "Wardens patrol the borders of civilized lands, preventing the encroachment of fell creatures from the Wild. They limit themselves to medium armour to travel swiftly and silently in defence of those they've sworn to protect."
    Citation Envoyé par Helgarm Voir le message
    Nothing was mentioned here about patrols. Though I'm sure they could do that too.
    Great points.

    H.
    Sigh..Minus points to your points Warrrrden.

  8. #33
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    mars 2008
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    East of Dallas, Texas
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    475
    Citation Envoyé par LagunaD Voir le message
    Wait, you want *evidence* that Dorfs are fat?

    Eru only allowed the fat, stinky Dorfs to live as an example to warn the other Valar not to screw up like Aule did.
    .
    This! This! The fountainhead of truth! (....and this is the origin of the Valar term, "To pull an Aule").
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  9. #34
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    juin 2011
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    4
    HAHA I am really enjoying this.

    Grow up people there can't be any dwarf wardens because they don't have any qualities that are similar to a warden the true wardens are the Men. And remember Wardens on war steed look like the Rohirrim which pretty cool. So the better actually the Best and awesome wardens are the RACE OF MAN. Even though the king's of Men fell the rangers protected all of middle earth and wardens are one such "rangers" wardens protect the civilized lands.And Aragorn proved it by uniting the free people together against mordor. But anyways Race Of Man were meant to be wardens and they are awesome.

    So Hobbits/Elf/Dwarf(A joke) cannot be wardens.
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  10. #35
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    juin 2011
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    2
    N-n-n-Necro thread!

    The reason Dwarfs can't be Wardens is simple - Turbine was too lazy to make separate animations for the Dwarf model. They even said so.

    So all you man/elf playing mongoloids with low self-esteem can stop caressing your sweet egos about being special.

    oh and btw about Dwarfs not being fit to be swift boarder guards... two words for ya - Mithril Guard.

    The Mithril Guard's key tasks is keeping the land's boarders and roads safe for the caravans.




    Also i know I shouldn't feed the troll, but there is a special place in hell set for history revisionists like LagunaD.

  11. #36
    Date d'inscription
    février 2007
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    Tucson, AZ
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    3 762
    The Archet Warden Academy



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    Helm's Deep Devamp killed my long time toons. Currently bouncing around between post-HD newbie alts (a warden and champ) and other games.
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  12. #37
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    septembre 2010
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    Berwyn
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    14

    why can't we be friends??

    So this seems to be a sensitive subject, but nevertheless I think that dwarves are cool in their own way and the fact that they can't be warden should be overcome with the fact that they are rune keepers. and they have Awesome Beards. But again, they aren't very stealthy, it's just like how men are susceptible to evil more than the other races.

    But I would like to push the point for warden to have Heavy armor. weather they can be dwarves or not.

    At least now we know ho to make you all angry. Just so you angry grouchy dwarf-lovers know as well, the reason they started with the Racism is cause you get mad easy...so don't feed the fire and you won't get burned!!....anymore that is.

  13. #38
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    septembre 2010
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    11
    I get my dwarf to sit on people, then jump up and down on them. they love me for it. and what have you got against hobbit tanks, I think they're the best!! 4 of the best tanks on our server are hobbits, but can't remember much else. however hobbit lore masters is a weird thought.

  14. #39
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    septembre 2010
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    11
    as for dwarf wardens, that's just fundamentally wrong - wardens are avoidance tanks, guardians are mitigation tanks - any dwarf would be better suited to soaking up damage rather than avoiding it if they had the choice, agility, dexterity and nimbleness aren't their style - they are stout, hardy and get in the way.

 

 
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