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  1. #101
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    avril 2007
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    New guess:

    "My ancestor was a burned dwarf."
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  2. #102
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    juillet 2008
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    Real Start Date: Mettarë, 2988 T.A.
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Citation Envoyé par Vilnas Voir le message
    New guess:

    "My ancestor was a burned dwarf."
    Right or wrong, terrific guess.
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  3. #103
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    mai 2009
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Excellent job Vilnas. That's the one.

  4. #104
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    avril 2009
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Citation Envoyé par Vilnas Voir le message
    New guess:

    "My ancestor was a burned dwarf."
    :O

    Methinks the Two-word is beyond me, I would've never come to that one, very nice.

  5. #105
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    avril 2007
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Ok, I'm making the next one as intentionally difficult as I can manage. It requires a difficult logical connection and represents a departure from the usual way in which we have been presenting clues (although I believe it can be viewed as an extension of a recent trend):

    Oublietted Royal
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  6. #106
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    mai 2009
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Hurin as last lord of Dor-lomin and figuratively oublietted in Angband?

  7. #107
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    avril 2007
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    A good guess, but incorrect.
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  8. #108
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    août 2008
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    My best guess would be Finrod Felagund, imprisoned with Beren and companions by Sauron.
    If the elves had had a guy who could wipe out Sauron and his army single handedly with alphabet blocks, they would not have sent along a hunter. -Forusrname
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    Il sérarwa nar il tulca.

  9. #109
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    avril 2007
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Also a good guess, and also incorrect. Allow me to emphasize that the clue works in a different way than our normal usage.
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  10. #110
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    mai 2009
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Alright, as my way out there guess - Nienor. Here's why:

    Oublietted meaning little place of forgetting. Her memory was definitely gone.

    Royal = "blue" = sad. Both Nienor and Niniel have a component of sad in their name (I believe "tear" in specific, one in Quenya, one in Sindarin)

  11. #111
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    avril 2007
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    A very thoughtful response, but also incorrect. The clues have literal meaning, but the application is unorthodox.
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  12. #112
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    avril 2009
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    I have a question: is "oublietted" used in the sense that they were literally locked up, or were they just forgotten about?

  13. #113
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    avril 2007
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    In this case locked up plus forgotten by almost everyone, although forgotten isn't exactly right.

    Also, this clue is presented in a way that is more akin to the Odin's time clue than to our usual way of riddling.
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  14. #114
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    mars 2007
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    I don't post much, but I couldn't resist hazarding a guess...

    The Silmarils, lost to Earth and Sea, at the end of the First Age?

    Reasoning: Both are "locked away" and, for the time being, "forgotton" by the time of the Lord of the Rings. They were also created by Feanor, born to King Finwe and King in his own right eventually, and thus royally "issued". They're also highly prized by the royals of Ea during the first age (Thingol, Melkor, etc.. Even you might say Manwe, but his purpose being benign in his desire to bring about the rebirth of the Two Trees).

    Also, the "Royal" has a possible double entendre in that a "royal" is a special mast of a ship, thus possibly referring to Earendil the Mariner and the Silmaril in his possession.
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  15. #115
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    avril 2007
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Yet another excellent guess. In this riddle oublietted means imprisoned and "forgotten", and royal means a person of royal lineage.

    The answer to this riddle involves a two step process, and the second is fairly straightforward. The cruel trick is in the initial application of the clues.
    Dernière modification par Vilnas ; 12/01/2011 à 14h24.
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  16. #116
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    avril 2007
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Citation Envoyé par kethavel Voir le message
    I don't post much, but I couldn't resist hazarding a guess...

    The Silmarils, lost to Earth and Sea, at the end of the First Age?

    Reasoning: Both are "locked away" and, for the time being, "forgotton" by the time of the Lord of the Rings. They were also created by Feanor, born to King Finwe and King in his own right eventually, and thus royally "issued". They're also highly prized by the royals of Ea during the first age (Thingol, Melkor, etc.. Even you might say Manwe, but his purpose being benign in his desire to bring about the rebirth of the Two Trees).

    Also, the "Royal" has a possible double entendre in that a "royal" is a special mast of a ship, thus possibly referring to Earendil the Mariner and the Silmaril in his possession.

    That was a sweet first post, friend!
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  17. #117
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    mars 2007
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Thanks ^.^

    I had this one half in mind when I wrote the other...

    Thorin Oakenshield. He was a king and he was imprisoned briefly by the Elves of Mirkwood. His name was forgotten in delirium by his father, Thrain, when he gave the map to the secret entrance to the Lonely Mountain to Gandalf.

    Edit: I'm a bit confused at the moment as to whether Thrain forgot his own name or his son's. So, could be him or Thrain, in this case, as both were imprisoned, royal and one way or the other forgotten. Sorry for the double answer. Memory is cloudy on this part and I've not my book at hand!
    Dernière modification par kethavel ; 12/01/2011 à 14h41.
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  18. #118
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    avril 2007
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Citation Envoyé par kethavel Voir le message
    Thanks ^.^

    I had this one half in mind when I wrote the other...

    Thorin Oakenshield. He was a king and he was imprisoned briefly by the Elves of Mirkwood. His name was forgotten in delirium by his father, Thrain, when he gave the map to the secret entrance to the Lonely Mountain to Gandalf.

    Edit: I'm a bit confused at the moment as to whether Thrain forgot his own name or his son's. So, could be him or Thrain, in this case, as both were imprisoned, royal and one way or the other forgotten. Sorry for the double answer. Memory is cloudy on this part and I've not my book at hand!
    Not Thorin either. Thrain actually is alarmingly close to qualifying as an acceptable alternative answer, but it isn't the one I have in mind.

    As for your confusion, Gandalf states that Thrain couldn't remember his own name, much less that of his son.

  19. #119
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    mai 2009
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Ar-Pharazon the Golden, imprisoned in the Caves of the Forgotten until the Dagor Dagorath?

  20. #120
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    avril 2007
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Sheesh. Another great alternative answer.

    Ok, for the "official" answer you need to take a different approach to the question, similar to what was required for the "Odin's time" riddle. As I said, it is a two step process.

    For now, I will say that the official answer is not in fact a person that has been locked up and forgotten, even though that is what the clue initially points to. The correct answer will hopefully become fairly obvious once you realize what the first step in the clue is talking about.

    I will be more clear about the process later today if that isn't a strong enough hint.
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  21. #121
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    mars 2007
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Don't know if this is the answer or not, but I find the line of thought amusing so, I thought I'd post it anyways.

    The Elendilmir, or The Star of Elendil.

    It was a royal device of the Kings of Gondor and Arnor until it was lost in the Anduin, which was then found and locked away by Saruman in the Tower of Orthanc. For a time you could say it was "forgotten" as it was replaced, and thus not much thought went into the original's fate.

    The forgotten (from the view point from Sauron?), or locked away (referring to his hiding in Rivendell) royal in this case would be Aragorn, who re-discovered the Elendilmir in the tower sometime after his crowning as King Elessar.
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  22. #122
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    mai 2009
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Wow. I hope the original Elendilmir is the answer because that is a truly phenomenal answer. I love the way these riddles have been going as of late.

    As my own similar guess, I will throw out Glamdring. Sword of Turgon, lost in Gondolin, eventually oublietted and forgotten amongst the spoils of uncouth stone trolls.
    Dernière modification par darkoutcast ; 12/01/2011 à 22h19. Motif: added my second guess

  23. #123
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    avril 2007
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    Sadly, the Elendilmir is not the answer, as impressive a guess as it may be. Nor is Glamdring.

    Now for the stronger hint. The riddle is two stages, and the first stage involves a non-JRRT lore interpretation of the original clue. The resulting second clue points directly to a specific JRRT lore reference. The riddle is thus designed along the lines of the "Odin's time" => "Wednesday" => "tea-time with Gandalf" riddle. My apologies if this format is overly complicated.
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  24. #124
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    mai 2009
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    It's quite alright. I just haven't had any idea what to throw out even as a lame guess along those lines and have thus avoided them. The answer shall be pursued with renewed vigor, regardless.

  25. #125
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    mars 2007
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    Re: Two-word Tolkien Trivia

    I'm not sure if you still intend for the clue to be pressed upon the final answer, but with the idea that it's only meant for the first step, then my next guess at the answer would be:

    Gandalf

    Obliquetted Royal = Odin, who along with two other Norse 'gods' in mythology was once imprisoned by an evil wizard for having killed his son, and is now forgotten as a god. Odin of the three was considered the ruler of the Asgard, thus royal?..

    And of course, Gandalf is described by Tolkien as a Odinic wanderer.
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