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  1. #1726
    Quote Originally Posted by Daeross View Post
    Corsairs use Adûnaic, the language of Númenor; you don't mean that, do you?
    Could you toss a couple of examples of the Southron's tongue?
    Nah, the Corsairs are essentially the descendants of Numenorean colonists as we as the descendants and followers of Castamir, I'm talking about the indigenous population of Harad. Tolkien gives us one word in their tongue: Mumakil. But there are several named Haradrim wb's/rt's throughout Gondor, such as Adîrjan, Luruyak, Vilosh, Keterang, Hokhir, Hamarsun, Darik, etc that are certainly not Adûnaic (as far as I can tell). Compiling this list, my first instinct is to say some kind of Indo-Iranian? But I'm not very well studied in that branch of the language tree.

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    I would assume the various Mumakil we see would also be of the Haradrim tongue, such as Arpong-Dokh, Set-Akaji, Ku-Nerpag, Thangol-ya, and Kethat-sai.

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    Ah, I see what you mean; happened to be MIA in the game for a while, and didn't remember them...did notice them while doing Western/Central Gondor, though, and listed 'em.

    You're right, though. Even though the self-titled 'Heirs of Castamir' as well as the Roving Threat Abrakhór all have Adûnaic names, the 'common' Corsairs and Haradrim don't.
    One problem we're likely encountering is that in LotRO, we're dealing with inspired-by words (like with Dunlendish = Welsh) that are also quite likely transliterated. Good luck trying to hunt the words.

    However...
    With the list I made, I noticed that in Western Gondor, there's a Corsair-camp by the name of Makham Mijann. In itself, nothing worth to notice, maybe. But then I remembered Nanduhirion, and the camp right outside the East Gate: Mekhem-bizru (within Moria, we have Anazârmekhem). Here, again, we have Turbine connecting a Mannish tongue with Khuzdul.
    That is another connection to Middle Eastern/Central Asian languages. Unfortunately, I haven't yet found one that would work well.

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    I believe those "Easterling" names were compiled and stylized from Uzbek as Berephon suggested, quite carelessly though, I should say, as many of them are ultimately of Arabic or Persian origin. Been some time since I played anything but the Bingo story in earnest so I can't pick examples off the top of my head but I'll go and pick a few the next time I'm online

    In addition, the place names in the Paths of the Dead were identified as Breton.

    Berber tongues seem feasible as a basis for that of the Haradrim but that's pure speculation
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    Quote Originally Posted by Urwendil View Post
    In addition, the place names in the Paths of the Dead were identified as Breton.
    Yup.
    Lenn Dûskud, Kêr Izel and Kêr Bras = lenn (lake), dûskud theoreticized to be an amalgam of du (black) and sceud (shadow), kêr (city, town, fort), izel (low), bras (big, tall)

    (I just keep reading kêr as kar, kâr: they, too, can be found multiple times in Moria.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunspot6 View Post
    I dont know if this was mentioned in this thread and if it is an easter egg or just a curious thing: Anybody knows what is written in the note in the wall in the guest house in Rivendell?
    I cannot make out all of it (the one on the wall to the left of the entry door) but it starts out:

    <Alfred?>

    I will work on a sailing ship and see the world just as my grandfather did.

    Becoming a <?> will help me reach this goal.

    Uncle <Alan?> can help me become a <?>

    Benjamin B<?>

    I thought at first he wanted to be a sailor, but the word looks to be 5 letters with an F in the middle.
    Signatures are overrated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suza View Post
    I cannot make out all of it (the one on the wall to the left of the entry door) but it starts out:

    <Alfred?>

    I will work on a sailing ship and see the world just as my grandfather did.

    Becoming a <?> will help me reach this goal.

    Uncle <Alan?> can help me become a <?>

    Benjamin B<?>

    I thought at first he wanted to be a sailor, but the word looks to be 5 letters with an F in the middle.
    https://web.archive.org/web/20081011...tory/ben.shtml

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    WAT? The sand-castle mentioned by Imrahil exist for real!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turin347 View Post
    WAT? The sand-castle mentioned by Imrahil exist for real!
    I just found this today interesting you find stuff from the book even tho it was mentioned briefly "Then you would have us retreat to Minas Tirith, Dol Amroth or to Dunharrow, and there sit like children on sand-castles when the tide is flowing?" Said Imrahil. - The Return of the King, Chapter IX, The Last Debate.
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    New Easter Egg i havent seen before :)

    Questing in Western Rohan for the first time in ages, heading out from Beaconwatch to collapse some cave entrances, and i stumble upon this strange house with a gnome outside and 3 different sized bears....





    Inside is a familiar scene



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    Quote Originally Posted by Eadreid View Post
    Questing in Western Rohan for the first time in ages, heading out from Beaconwatch to collapse some cave entrances, and i stumble upon this strange house with a gnome outside and 3 different sized bears...

    Inside is a familiar scene ...
    That scene is being around since West Rohan got released. It also is lore friendly even if the date is out of place. Goldylocks is 1 of the daugthers of Samwise Gamgee & he lived with his family, for a while at Rohan.
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