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  1. #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by Narthalion View Post
    This is starting to sound less like a business...and more like a charity.
    It has nothing to do with charity. I'm simply trying to determine if the ability to play LOTRO for another year is worth $100 to a retired person with plenty of money.

    Put another way: If each person paid to SSG the actual total value of the entertainment they receive from the game, what would the number be?
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    If they need us to pay more than they can deliver value for right now, that's honestly understandable, and it WOULD BE OK IF THEY WERE HONEST.

    Instead it seems that the plan is just to ask for more and more money despite delivering less and less.

    And they're not even doing a good job of *that*.

    They publically announce an interim update and virtually the only details they provide are HOW MUCH IT WILL COST. That's anti-hype!
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  3. #28
    When I heard about this, I first believed that it is a fool's day joke at the wrong time of the year. Really. This thing makes no sense to me; not this relation of offer and price.


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  4. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Thurallor View Post
    It has nothing to do with charity. I'm simply trying to determine if the ability to play LOTRO for another year is worth $100 to a retired person with plenty of money.

    Put another way: If each person paid to SSG the actual total value of the entertainment they receive from the game, what would the number be?


    Go ahead. If you like, send them a check for $300, or $500, or $1,000. I'm sure they'll appreciate it.

    But I think most of us would like to know what exactly is and is not included in the "packages" before we decide if it's worth it.


    With Charities, we give money because there's a need.

    With Businesses, we give money in exchange for a product or service.

  5. #30
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thurallor View Post
    Imagine your $100 payment is the difference between LOTRO continuing, and LOTRO being shut down.

    Would you then pay the $100 in exchange for another year of entertainment?
    If they're that desperate for money, the game's finished anyway whatever I do. But, no, that wouldn't influence my decision. I already sub. I'm not their sugar-daddy.
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  6. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by Narthalion View Post
    Go ahead. If you like, send them a check for $300, or $500, or $1,000. I'm sure they'll appreciate it.

    But I think most of us would like to know what exactly is and is not included in the "packages" before we decide if it's worth it.


    With Charities, we give money because there's a need.

    With Businesses, we give money in exchange for a product or service.
    I'm not trying to persuade you to buy it. I'm trying to explain why other people do it.

    I don't get why people resent the mere existence of high-price options. You aren't obligated to buy them, and you are lucky that other people do buy them, because they are supporting the game, and you get just as much enjoyment out of it as they do.
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  7. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Thurallor View Post
    I'm not trying to persuade you to buy it. I'm trying to explain why other people do it.
    .

    No need to try and explain. There are just some people who are willing to pay $100 to ride a piggy or to make a donation.

    Good luck to 'em.

    But please don't imply that everyone who is NOT willing to do that THIS time, hasn't supported the game.

  8. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Thurallor View Post
    It has nothing to do with charity. I'm simply trying to determine if the ability to play LOTRO for another year is worth $100 to a retired person with plenty of money.

    Put another way: If each person paid to SSG the actual total value of the entertainment they receive from the game, what would the number be?
    That's actually a really good way to put it "value per entertainment received" I mean...one night out at my favorite spot (a little casino) and I'm down $200 on roulette, and $100 for drinks and food. lol And that is just a few hours. (Lotro I play for more hours than I'd like to admit, lol)

    And ps, if I pay for the $100 version..it doesn't mean I'm older or retired! lol (personal vanity showing..poking fun at self...please don't attack) and pss..I still don't want a pig mount (but will most likely buy whatever the fluff is at the highest tier)

  9. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Narthalion View Post
    No need to try and explain. There are just some people who are willing to pay $100 to ride a piggy or to make a donation.

    Good luck to 'em.

    But please don't imply that everyone who is NOT willing to do that THIS time, hasn't supported the game.
    Sometimes there's stuff in the higher tier packages 'worth it' to me which makes it a purchase, not a donation. For me personally, if the ONLY thing is the pig mount, I won't buy it. (I really don't like that thing, lol). But if there are points, or carry-alls, or scrolls to power my weapon, or a cool housing deco...or rep tomes! (the thing I've bought the most of lately)..then yeah, I'd buy. 20 bucks gets me the content..and I'll hand over more for the right stuff. There's no donation from me..I'm buying what helps me or I like to have in game. So please don't imply people are "willing to pay $100 for a piggy or to make a donation"...because that isn't 100% either.

    ps for fellow VIP'ers who feel slapped in the face by this...I'm sorry, truly. I've not paid attention over the years to that aspect of my sub but it seems to be the main reason (getting content) that other pay for VIP.

  10. #35
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thurallor View Post
    I'm not trying to persuade you to buy it. I'm trying to explain why other people do it.

    I don't get why people resent the mere existence of high-price options. You aren't obligated to buy them, and you are lucky that other people do buy them, because they are supporting the game, and you get just as much enjoyment out of it as they do.
    But we are only being asked to pay cash for a content patch for the first time in 13 years because people were willing to buy the last pre-sale $139 expac before it's first BR preview and the previous one at $139 that many of them just could not survive 5 minutes of on level if they entered their "door" into Mordor. These aren't healthy choices, dependency needs treatment. Re-enforcing the notion that SSG can half ### everything and still have the cash rolling in can't be good for a game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moondog548 View Post
    Instead it seems that the plan is just to ask for more and more money despite delivering less and less.
    It's really working out in SSG's favor, though.
    Look at all those players repeatedly begging for Filbert Fig vendor for over a year (like, actual begging) despite being completely ignored over that whole entire span.
    Why put any effort in customer service if they'll stick around and beg for more anyway?
    I for one congratulate SSG for capitalizing on a very gullible player demographic who enables this level of customer disservice. What is more, they will indeed keep giving money despite receiving less and less.

    (I would also pay careful attention to obvious forum alt accounts stirring the pot and encouraging more complaints - which is of course aimed to bait and deflect public attention away from...
    • the lack of clarity behind server outages
    • lack of communication
    • lack of a clear plan ahead, for that matter [it's obvious the exclusive goodies in each "mini-expansion" edition haven't even been decided yet].


    But instead of digging deeper, let's sit around and complain some more about absent figment vendors and greedy pricing
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  12. #37
    Sad how some people still choose to 'invest' into this game. I love Middle Earth, but if this game is the 'best' representation of it, I'll just stick to movies and books instead. This company should not receive a single penny, but most here seem to suffer from intermittent reinforcement. Honestly, y'all need help. Like, yesterday. People don't buy a 100+€ pack in support of this 'game', they buy it becuase they suffer from some sort of OCD and these sh*tbags at SSG exploit the hell out of it. Those people need help. Supporting them in their bad decisions isn't doing anyone any good.

    Honestly, I don't even care about this shell of what once was, but my damn browser keeps suggesting the forum whenever I press L and sure enough, every once in a while I'll still click it. But where I used to click it once every few days, it became once every week and now it's far less. I'm almost free! Thank you Skyrim! Truly a man's best friend; first it cured me from another MMO, now it's curing me from LotRO. I'm almost 100% MMO-free! Feels so good and threads like these only enforce my disdain for MMOs and their communities. So thank you all. You may be beyond help, but looking at this forum has helped me a ton. A nice reminder of mistakes never to be repeated.

  13. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Cambruyn View Post
    Sad how some people still choose to 'invest' into this game. I love Middle Earth, but if this game is the 'best' representation of it, I'll just stick to movies and books instead. This company should not receive a single penny, but most here seem to suffer from intermittent reinforcement. Honestly, y'all need help. Like, yesterday. People don't buy a 100+€ pack in support of this 'game', they buy it becuase they suffer from some sort of OCD and these sh*tbags at SSG exploit the hell out of it. Those people need help. Supporting them in their bad decisions isn't doing anyone any good.

    Honestly, I don't even care about this shell of what once was, but my damn browser keeps suggesting the forum whenever I press L and sure enough, every once in a while I'll still click it. But where I used to click it once every few days, it became once every week and now it's far less. I'm almost free! Thank you Skyrim! Truly a man's best friend; first it cured me from another MMO, now it's curing me from LotRO. I'm almost 100% MMO-free! Feels so good and threads like these only enforce my disdain for MMOs and their communities. So thank you all. You may be beyond help, but looking at this forum has helped me a ton. A nice reminder of mistakes never to be repeated.
    Definitely sounds like Skyrim, or whichever other game you choose is the right one for you, enjoy!

 

 
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