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  1. #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by scorrp10 View Post
    MM is hands down the worst rep barter/arrangement EVER. You quest through the content getting a load of useless rep and useless currency and anything worthwhile is locked behind a massively, dreary repetitive grind past that.
    In Mordor, the craft recipes and a bunch of other useful things came from the currrency/rep you got as you quested through.
    Allegiance system: you could get some Allegiance progress while questing trough but you really could start earning once you unlocked dailies. And yeah you earned relics that you consumed for progress, and they also served as barter currency. Thing is, once you had dailes, you generally had very little need for Allegiance barters. You ran expeditions primarily to earn black keys, and Allegiance rep kinda came along, filling in a bit of lore for you, but otherwise being of little use. I ended Mordor with all 4 Allegiances capped and 600+ relics. Never bartered a thing for them.

    With MM, they essentially took the worst aspects of the Allegiance system, and locked all worthwhile barters behind it.

    And for all of us who have kept running those mind numbing instances, getting occasional craft boxes/shards, and squeezing in an occasional recipe purchase, so we could craft some semi-decent stuff, SSG just gave a giant middle finger with those elite recipes.
    Quote Originally Posted by ceasar2001 View Post
    I particularly do not like the random drop in a grind based mmo….the unfavorable drop rate is like the old lootbox lottery and a form of gambling that should be banned,,,,,,all grinds should give rewards and 2 slot and 3 slot teal and gold gear can be random drops...….you would get more than 10k logins when other non no reward grind games have million plus
    Quote Originally Posted by Melkorben View Post
    Once again- totally agree with you!!
    This is my last time that I will buy exp in advance.
    MM is very disappointing (for many reasons...) but this is not the main subject in this thread...
    Quote Originally Posted by Melkorben View Post
    I 100% support all Arnenna comments!!!
    This game started to cause players, including me, to loss interest in update their gear and essence so frequently by grind, RNG and boredom.
    I more or less agree with You all.

    It has caused me to almost not play at all. 2 days in a row already (3 days today) that. I haven't even logged in. Before that I played for a few days but not alot, before that that I also did not play for 3 days. At the same time not even bothering to log into the forums for day, even 20 days during the holidays. That is from me, somone who used to play daily. Hitting the end-game with grinds upon grinds upon grinds for everything. Recipes, shards (unreliable grind based on rng), rep grind, relics that you need for both rep + recipes, ingredient/material boxes (unrelaiable grind also dependant on rng, unless you can run t3+) and You can only try once/day in each instance etc. This erxpaniosn has made LI grind feel like a breeze in comparison. At least with LI grind once You get an item rewarded (empo scroll, crystal etc) it doesn't get outdated and useless soon after, like recipes and ili on gear constantly does each time ili is raised within the same region and expanison.

    All of that I explained in great detail point by point in this thread: https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...68#post7986968 so not going to repeat it all here.

    This does not feel like a game anymore. It feels like some work You are supposed to clock into daily and grind You're way through, often without any substancial reward for Your effort (many days no ingredient boxes or shards at all after hrs of gameplay). Grinds (work in this case) are maybe bearable if You are at least guarnteed a decent reward/payment at the end. All You are guaranteed here 6 out of 7 days are a few 200 relics for alot of time spent grinding. In some cases even some grinds that seems to only be put there to make us take out or CC and visit the store.

    Yes some grind is ok. I accept that in every MMO RPG (I have even accepted the li grind without protesting against it), but atm that is all this game has at end-game grind upon grind upon grind (some grind even on the way to lvl cap). Either that or fiddle around in years old content. I'm bored with both those options and would like to play new fun content. Be excited for a new expansion. This expansion, Minas Morgul, has finally made it to the top of my list in the worst expansion in LoTRO to date. Knocking original Mordor down from 1st place to 2nd place.

    Oh well, I have started to install some new games on my the PC I mainly use now, after not having done that for years on any PC I use. Even got my hands on a complete edition of Heroes of Might and Magic 3 (that is supposed to work flawlessly even on win 10) along with some player made HD mod and all kinds of new player made content, maps etc. I am even about to finally install Might and Magic Heroes VII Collectors Edition. I've had it sitting on my shelf for years now when I'v e been busy playing more or less only LoTRO. I haven't even bothered with hardly any other games for a long time, due to wanting to spend my leisure time in LoTRO. Minas Morgul expansion has finally pushed me out of that feeling. My son did always play other games by the side, but now he more or less only play other games. Many days no LoTRO at all. He got to that feeling before I did.

    Yes, sure some people in here can sit and blame players that power level and power play through the new content and farm it all in a few weeks and the go off to play WoW until next expansion or major update. However at the end of the day it is someone or some people at SSG/Daybreak that makes the decision to design the game revolving around that, catering to that and making it a miserable experience for almost everyone else. The players does not make that decision. So yes, it is SSG as a company that is to be held responsible. We do pay to that company and we do play their product. We are their customers. I can not blame other players for that. Yes, sure those that just buy into it and defend it adds to it, gives SSG a reason to do it and makes it possible, but still, none of the players are forcing SSG/Daybreak to go down the route they now have. What about listening to or catering to the rest of the playerbnase ??? SSG/Daybreak makes the final call and therefore they are responsible for any direction taken. No, not the individual dev, engineer etc (as those seems to be wonderful individuals and what are they supposed to do, quit their job if they don't agree with design choices and be unemployed ???). For all we know some of them might be looking for another job. After all we have had staff leaving too, but that is up to them how they decide to do that. I'm not judging staff either way. So yes, I repeat, it's the company as an entity and the ones at the top calling the shots that are responsible. Whoever that or those may be. They are the ones that have a responsibility towards their paying customers. As well as the customer having the resposnibility to point out flaws and tell them what we would like and if still not satisfied stop supporting the company with money and take our business elsewehere.
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  2. #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorrBinpike View Post
    Arnenna is right in everything she tried to explain to elmagor. And Elmagor....well..i don't know what to say about his opinion. I dont get it ^^

    There is simply no reason that a player supports this system from SSG where you craft an item and 2 weeks later it's old and outdated.

    And btw. personally i LOVED the old system where you had to roll with your kin members about items or coins to change items.
    I not support it, I just to find all + and - for this system and use it to gear my friends, instead of cry on forum about poor casual players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elmagor View Post
    I not support it, I just to find all + and - for this system and use it to gear my friends, instead of cry on forum about poor casual players.
    There's no need for that Don't turn the convo sour.

    You do know that ember barter gear just undid all your hard work right? Teal slot gear, added on the last patch is better than all that stuff you crafted with all those recipes that you pooled together with your friends for. How long did you have the gear to play with? A week or two maybe.
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  4. #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elmagor View Post
    I not support it, I just to find all + and - for this system and use it to gear my friends, instead of cry on forum about poor casual players.
    hhh!!
    Well...now after 25.3 you have a lot of "+" work to do just to update all your, and your friends, gear - and I dont want to hear from you any crying about it!!

  5. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Arnenna View Post
    There's no need for that Don't turn the convo sour.

    You do know that ember barter gear just undid all your hard work right? Teal slot gear, added on the last patch is better than all that stuff you crafted with all those recipes that you pooled together with your friends for. How long did you have the gear to play with? A week or two maybe.
    I went to the ember barter in Skarhald yesterday. not sure if I looked properly, but I did not find any gear, just softly moonlit essences for 3K embers.

    is there new and better gear there now? furthermore, it is impossible to see the type of gear you get, since it's only a box and I'm not willing to risk many thousands of embers for something useless. if we could see the new gear, that would be great, but such is not the case.

    please clarify how the ember gear is better now, than the MM daily grind gear.

    thanks!

  6. #31
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    If Skarhald still got an ember barter, looks like they forgot to update him. The Estolad Lan ember barter now has blue armor/jewelry boxes for 3.5k embers a pop with base item level 407. Better than purple crafted 3-shard gear, and in most cases better than 'elite' 5-shard crafted due to essence slots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arnenna View Post
    There's no need for that Don't turn the convo sour.

    You do know that ember barter gear just undid all your hard work right? Teal slot gear, added on the last patch is better than all that stuff you crafted with all those recipes that you pooled together with your friends for. How long did you have the gear to play with? A week or two maybe.
    First of all, we have less sources for embers when we have on 120 level. Secondly, only T3 essences good enough for slots, and for them you need huge amount of embers or 2 shards + 2 solvents. With current prices, you can get ~2 ember gear items per week, and you can get more crafting components & shards per week. Instance gear or guild crafted gear still better even without slots.

  8. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Elmagor View Post
    First of all, we have less sources for embers when we have on 120 level. Secondly, only T3 essences good enough for slots, and for them you need huge amount of embers or 2 shards + 2 solvents. With current prices, you can get ~2 ember gear items per week, and you can get more crafting components & shards per week. Instance gear or guild crafted gear still better even without slots.
    And where do you get 7000 embers a week from a character for 2 boxes? I count 1500 from the 2 weeklies and the sigil turn in. Are there other quests?

    Please advise.

  9. #34
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    Quote Originally Posted by JERH View Post
    And where do you get 7000 embers a week from a character for 2 boxes? I count 1500 from the 2 weeklies and the sigil turn in. Are there other quests?

    Please advise.
    For Minas Morgul there are 3 wrappers and one rep-gated Sigils for Embers quest.

    1) Instance Wrapper 4/4 (Complete any of the instances at least 4 times during the week and wrapper completes)
    2) Quest Wrapper 10/10 (Complete 10 of the quests inside the instances during the week and wrapper completes)
    3) Continued Threats Wrapper 8/8 (Complete any of Nazgul quests or the Court quests 8 times during the week and wrapper completes)
    4) White Company Quartermaster Sigils for Embers quest

    That's 2000 embers per week, not including Tier 2+ ashable gear from instances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JERH View Post
    And where do you get 7000 embers a week from a character for 2 boxes? I count 1500 from the 2 weeklies and the sigil turn in. Are there other quests?

    Please advise.
    Depend on how many characters you have. As already mentioned above, 2000 per char.

  11. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Elmagor View Post
    Depend on how many characters you have. As already mentioned above, 2000 per char.
    Sorry, forgot about the nazgul quest. So , really, ~1/2 ember box per character per week.

 

 
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