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    I am leveling my LM up again and I've realized that Lightning Strike has almost 4 times the fire power of Burning Embers, almost three times of Gust of Wind and almost twice of Sticky Gourd.

    A few changes I would like to see:

    Shortening the times for Light of the Rising Dawn, Sticky Gourd and Ring of Fire from 30 seconds each to 10 seconds each. (this would make it easier to have a formidable rotation)
    Shortening the time for Wisdom of the Council from 5 minutes to 1 minute. (this would make leveling up a bit easier since skills cost morale as well as power and you don't have any other heals other than Inner Flame in blue line)
    Shortening the time for Nature's Fury and Lightning-storm from 1 minute and 30 seconds each to 1 minute each. (red line)
    Shortening the time for Ents Go To War from 5 minutes to 1 minute. (red line)
    Shortening the time for Sic 'Em from 2 minutes to 1 minute (blue line)
    Adapting Sign of Power: Righteousness to apply to your entire fellowship. (or at least to you and your pet)
    Removing the 60 seconds cooldown on Sword and Storm for the lightning.
    Revert Power of Knowledge back to a non-damage skill and heal per second.
    Give brooches stats for your character (like RK chisels for example) while giving stickpins critical rating, physical mastery and avoidances for your pet.
    Wolf-speech: summon a wolf to fight by your side (requires level 80)
    Damage type changed to frost for: Tundra Lynx, Polar Bear, Tundra cub, Tundra Bog-guardian, Frost Raven and Snowcrest and Tundra Eagles.
    Damage type changed to fire for: Ember-crested Eagle
    Damage type changed to lightning for: Storm Raven

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    I dunno, that all seems kinda OP to me.

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    For a class that was inspired by Gandalf and Elrond, LMs are not all that powerful.
    Only yellow line is attractive in group play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pewpewmidget View Post
    I am leveling my LM up again and I've realized that Lightning Strike has almost 4 times the fire power of Burning Embers, almost three times of Gust of Wind and almost twice of Sticky Gourd.

    A few changes I would like to see:

    Shortening the times for
    The problems with LM are not (rep. not in the first place) the cool-downs, but much more the casting time. This long induction times are really a pain and make the class half worth of that what it could and should be. All skills for shortening the induction time should be in the first row of each skill-tree.
    LMs would also need a skill in the skill-tree like RK/Warden finesse or Fate or Vitality like some other classes do have that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pewpewmidget View Post
    I am leveling my LM up again and I've realized that Lightning Strike has almost 4 times the fire power of Burning Embers, almost three times of Gust of Wind and almost twice of Sticky Gourd.

    A few changes I would like to see:

    Shortening the times for Light of the Rising Dawn, Sticky Gourd and Ring of Fire from 30 seconds each to 10 seconds each. (this would make it easier to have a formidable rotation)
    Too OP by a longshot. Ring of Fire hits like a truck already, leave CD's as is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pewpewmidget View Post
    Shortening the time for Wisdom of the Council from 5 minutes to 1 minute. (this would make leveling up a bit easier since skills cost morale as well as power and you don't have any other heals other than Inner Flame in blue line)
    This skill was never meant to be part of any rotation, it is for emergencies only, leave as is.

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    Shortening the time for Nature's Fury and Lightning-storm from 1 minute and 30 seconds each to 1 minute each. (red line)
    I could MAYBE see this.

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    Shortening the time for Ents Go To War from 5 minutes to 1 minute. (red line)
    Ents is a crummy skill now anyway, I rarely use it. Use staff sweep every time it is up reduces the CD on Ents, Ring of Fire and Lightning Storm a bit, so you can reduce your own CD's some, try it!

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    Shortening the time for Sic 'Em from 2 minutes to 1 minute (blue line)
    That skill is a joke given the way the summoned pets just sit there and do nothing half of the time anyway.

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    Adapting Sign of Power: Righteousness to apply to your entire fellowship. (or at least to you and your pet)
    Never going to happen, however I'd be ok with the version we used to have; the CD was such that you could effectively keep 2 characters stun protected indefinitely. Right now there isn't enough time difference between how long the skill stays active and when the CD is up. You effectively have about a 2 second window if you want to keep SI up 100% of the time.

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    Removing the 60 seconds cooldown on Sword and Storm for the lightning.
    I'd be fine with this, but you can't allow the stun component to happen that often.

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    Revert Power of Knowledge back to a non-damage skill and heal per second.
    You've got water lore by L77.

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    Give brooches stats for your character (like RK chisels for example) while giving stickpins critical rating, physical mastery and avoidances for your pet.
    No opinion here.

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    Wolf-speech: summon a wolf to fight by your side (requires level 80)
    Another anemic skill, just remove it already.

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    Damage type changed to frost for: Tundra Lynx, Polar Bear, Tundra cub, Tundra Bog-guardian, Frost Raven and Snowcrest and Tundra Eagles.
    Fine, I really don't care.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pewpewmidget View Post
    Damage type changed to fire for: Ember-crested Eagle
    See above.

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    Damage type changed to lightning for: Storm Raven
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaerArianrhod View Post
    The problems with LM are not (rep. not in the first place) the cool-downs, but much more the casting time. This long induction times are really a pain and make the class half worth of that what it could and should be. All skills for shortening the induction time should be in the first row of each skill-tree.
    LMs would also need a skill in the skill-tree like RK/Warden finesse or Fate or Vitality like some other classes do have that.
    Or, give us a mobility line where we can dps on the move... similar to the hunter and RK. You sacrifice DPS for mobility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pewpewmidget View Post
    Shortening the time for Sic 'Em from 2 minutes to 1 minute (blue line)
    Quote Originally Posted by Irin19 View Post
    That skill is a joke given the way the summoned pets just sit there and do nothing half of the time anyway.
    You need to learn to use the second part of the skill. The one where you Command the Sic 'em pets to attack your target (Target the desired mob, then click the icon) works every time. The other way, just let yourself get hit; the Sic 'em pets will then attack that mob.


    As for Pewpewmidget's suggestions; making most of the changes recommended would make the LM way overpowered.


    However, we can use a few more "on the move" skills in addition to Wizards Fire, maybe a scalable, low level self-heal (from a few tens of moral at low level, to a few thousand moral at max level) on a 15-second timer; use of this skill maintains agro on any agroed mob.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pewpewmidget View Post
    I am leveling my LM up again and I've realized that Lightning Strike has almost 4 times the fire power of Burning Embers, almost three times of Gust of Wind and almost twice of Sticky Gourd.

    A few changes I would like to see:

    Shortening the times for Light of the Rising Dawn, Sticky Gourd and Ring of Fire from 30 seconds each to 10 seconds each. (this would make it easier to have a formidable rotation)
    Shortening the time for Wisdom of the Council from 5 minutes to 1 minute. (this would make leveling up a bit easier since skills cost morale as well as power and you don't have any other heals other than Inner Flame in blue line)
    Shortening the time for Nature's Fury and Lightning-storm from 1 minute and 30 seconds each to 1 minute each. (red line)
    Shortening the time for Ents Go To War from 5 minutes to 1 minute. (red line)
    Shortening the time for Sic 'Em from 2 minutes to 1 minute (blue line)
    Adapting Sign of Power: Righteousness to apply to your entire fellowship. (or at least to you and your pet)
    Removing the 60 seconds cooldown on Sword and Storm for the lightning.
    Revert Power of Knowledge back to a non-damage skill and heal per second.
    Give brooches stats for your character (like RK chisels for example) while giving stickpins critical rating, physical mastery and avoidances for your pet.
    Wolf-speech: summon a wolf to fight by your side (requires level 80)
    Damage type changed to frost for: Tundra Lynx, Polar Bear, Tundra cub, Tundra Bog-guardian, Frost Raven and Snowcrest and Tundra Eagles.
    Damage type changed to fire for: Ember-crested Eagle
    Damage type changed to lightning for: Storm Raven
    I don´t know wich lvl you are but speaking for 130:

    1. shortening any cooldowns is not necessary in my opinion because it would make the class a little bit to strong and some skills would become unused in a rotation. I prefer using many different skills over using only 3 every time.
    2. I have to disagree with you because Council is meant to be a panic skill. A strong ability with rather long CD. Would be to strong with only 1m cooldown. See 9. for more
    3. See 1.
    4. See 1.
    5. See 1 and: CD for Ents, Gourd and Lightning Storm can be shortend by using Staff-Sweep.
    6. Yeah maybe but blue line needs a complete overhaul IMO.
    7. It is fine now. During Erebor-raid Times the duration was so long you could have a raid immun to stuns and it was OP. If you want to, get the yellow Abyss of Mordath set wich doubles the current duration 20s->40s.
    8. You really want to stun everything every 3 seconds huh? No this is to OP and LMs already have tons of CC. Learn how to use them efficently.
    9. That´s you first actual good Idea. You get the skill with lvl 16 where it does no damage and when it improves with lvl 80 it should start doing damage. Then LMs would have more selfhealing for early lvls because waterlore comes with lvl 77.
    10. Interesting, I like more diversity when it comes to those class Items
    11. Whan I understand you correctly you want to have the wolf earlier and without the Warsteed? Yeah maybe but still doesn´t solve the problems in blue line.
    12-14: Now that our pets do Beleriand damage instead of common this has gotten a little bit better but giving every pet different damage types would be a good idea for blue line. It gives you more options and makes you think about wich pet to use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pewpewmidget View Post
    Shortening the time for Nature's Fury and Lightning-storm from 1 minute and 30 seconds each to 1 minute each. (red line)
    1)many people complain about lags and SSG redesign some LM skills in the past when they decide to blame LMs for them. People always believe what Lightning-Storm create lags, I don't see SSG touching it again
    2)many creeps cry what LM's one-shot them with Lightning-storm. Make it even faster don't bring any life for that poor creatures

 

 

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