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    Quote Originally Posted by ChromiteSwiftpaw View Post
    I believe those are store-bought hope tokens which ...might stack with regular hope tokens? I've heard of them but never tested. Not really a good idea to get rid of them if so.
    Could be worth a try. I tossed the ones I got. If I get more I will give it a try.

    As Ballie said the crafted ones seems alot better (which is good as then it's not p2w) as they both give more hope + some more bonus like resistance.

    If they stack however then yes they might be worth keeping. If not then just junk as You can craft better ones. If that is the case just remove them from the loot table, or go back to checking character level and don't reward such rubbish to higher toons that accept the hobbit "gifts". Especially not the gold hobbit "gift" that we acctullay pay to be VIP to get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willowbrook View Post
    I got a really pleasant surprise when I opened my first daily (silver) hobbit present. So far I have gotten better gifts than we used to get. I'm really looking forward to opening the weekly Gold Hobbit Gift later today. Great job, SSG! This was a request in the Player Suggestions forum and now it is a reality.

    By the way, I'm also enjoying the landscape and new quests. I only play a couple of hours each evening and have yet to see most of the new areas.
    A big step forward, thank you to the team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord.Funk View Post
    Especially not the gold hobbit "gift" that we acctullay pay to be VIP to get.

    I didn't correct your spelling, but I do want to correct the fact that you do not HAVE to be VIP to open the gold hobbit gift. Anyone, F2P, Premium, VIP, can open as many gold gifts as they want for 8 Mithril Coins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugongrod View Post
    I didn't correct your spelling, but I do want to correct the fact that you do not HAVE to be VIP to open the gold hobbit gift. Anyone, F2P, Premium, VIP, can open as many gold gifts as they want for 8 Mithril Coins.
    That's was acctualy exactly my point (even if worded badly). It isn't a "gift", certainly not "free". You pay for it. Doesn't matter if You are VIP or pay mithril directly for it. The only "gift" is opening one silver Hobbit Present per day, as that is free. Opening more silver ones in the same day is not a "gift" either. Acctuayll they are called "present" aren't they ??? Still same thing though. Who would give someone something they call a present or gift, but saying they had to pay for it ??? Yes if it's a present or gift I give to someone else I pay for it, but the one supposed to get the present or gift should not have to pay, as then it is not a present or gift in my opinion. The Hobbit presents are no different than a casino giving You a free marker in hopes You sit by a roulette or black jack table and start spending more. It's to hook You into spending and get tempted to items available in the store. It's more like a promotion for something than a present or gift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LotroVidz View Post
    Sorry for being the pessimist here, but are we really going to thank SSG for putting dev resources into a virtual slot machine? This is actually funny.
    I agree actually, now it is just like a slot machine, because you can see "oh..I might get that! " and if you don't..hmm...I could just use MC and I might get that...nope..ok one more spin..
    upgrade the looks of the icon sure, showing people what's available is in fact a psychology trick the casinos have used for a long time, it's free so I digress.

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    Sure, I will thank SSG, because now you always (almost??) get virtue points along with your "gift". And that's regardless of whether that gift is valuable or just trash. But I always enjoy seeing a little more RP injected into it.

    So overall, thanks, SSG. To the haters: no one is forcing you to buy & spend more points now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cipher_nemo View Post
    Sure, I will thank SSG, because now you always (almost??) get virtue points along with your "gift". And that's regardless of whether that gift is valuable or just trash. But I always enjoy seeing a little more RP injected into it.

    So overall, thanks, SSG. To the haters: no one is forcing you to buy & spend more points now.
    Love the new hobbit presents and love the haters stalking these forums too For me, hobbit presents are my daily reward for my lifetime sub Like a popular celebrity, LOTRO's gonna get some stalkers. If these forums didn't have them I'd think the game was a lot less popular and less successful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cipher_nemo View Post
    Sure, I will thank SSG, because now you always (almost??) get virtue points along with your "gift". And that's regardless of whether that gift is valuable or just trash. But I always enjoy seeing a little more RP injected into it.

    So overall, thanks, SSG. To the haters: no one is forcing you to buy & spend more points now.
    Not sure if you place me in the Haters category. My motivation along with one or two others was to drill down to see how rewarding they might be. Whether it was obtaining useful buffs and items or in my case to see if there was a viable route for gaining virtue experience if a player had the spending power.

    A player might roll/pull their first Gold reward and hit the jackpot with something they really need and maybe they'll be convinced it's wonderful. Another on the silver; a 20 VXP and a finesse scroll and think they are worthless.

    Having the data would hopefully inform our opinions better than a "feeling" or the initial excitement over an update.

    As it is the changes (level,VXP) have had me creating toons on a couple of servers just to pull the free hobbit presents in preparation for one day perhaps playing on that server or for when shared transfers might be brought back. But I'm not certain they will be, given the delay in coming up with an answer. If it then remains an advantage to use shared storage then maybe I'll be joining those who have profited from it over the years but ofc with SSG's tacit approval by then.

    My account is resource, comfortable maybe. Not resource rich. But if resource poor the presents would offer some potential.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ballie View Post
    Having the data would hopefully inform our opinions better than a "feeling" or the initial excitement over an update.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narthalion View Post
    "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." -John Adams
    "Facts and evidence will always be ignored if they threaten ones belief system." Ballie.
    If your intellect can't fathom my reasoning it's me who's unreasonable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ballie View Post
    "Facts and evidence will always be ignored if they threaten ones belief system." Ballie.
    Ah yes...

    May I quote you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ballie View Post
    "Facts and evidence will always be ignored if they threaten ones belief system." Ballie.
    Oh man, I see that in the forums on a regular basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narthalion View Post
    Ah yes...

    May I quote you?
    You're Welcome. Maybe John Adams would have had something different to say in these modern times.
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    In fairness to the people that like the changes . . . the drug dealer was already there. At least now it gives harder drugs which are a bit more decent and give a bigger buzz. Remember also, it's only a problem if you spend mithril on extra drugs. If not, it's just a free daily hit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrager View Post
    I agree actually, now it is just like a slot machine, because you can see "oh..I might get that! " and if you don't..hmm...I could just use MC and I might get that...nope..ok one more spin..
    upgrade the looks of the icon sure, showing people what's available is in fact a psychology trick the casinos have used for a long time, it's free so I digress.
    If all you see is pretty wheels that point to pretty prizes and it makes you lean towards "one more spin", then sure, it's a slot machine. Like I said earlier - the slot machine has always been there, and the new glass front doesn't change that. Casino tricks have been around a long time yes, but they only work on people who are in the casino. Treat hobbit gifts as actual "gifts", as in take what's given and only what's given, and they remain gifts. They only become slot machines if you imagine yourself inside the casino and adopt the mind set of "one more spin".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arnenna View Post
    Like I said earlier - the slot machine has always been there
    nope

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bohemond71 View Post
    In fairness to the people that like the changes . . . the drug dealer was already there. At least now it gives harder drugs which are a bit more decent and give a bigger buzz. Remember also, it's only a problem if you spend mithril on extra drugs. If not, it's just a free daily hit.
    Except, accepting a single free gift is nothing like taking a free hit of drug. Apples and Oranges. There is nothing decent about drugs, not any of them, so "a bit more decent" is not apt. Actually I'm a bit surprised that you'd bring in such an example for a comparison.

    A free hit of heroin (harder, so a bit more decent?).
    A free morale bubble potion.

    What's next? How the free one chance at a tome of defence that is useful in a raid is the same as a free shot of anabolic steroid to get a player winning the latest race?

    Yeah, ok, if you want. The game hasn't become that "real" for me though. I still treat it as a bunch of pixels behind a pane of glass. I spit on the drug dealers of real life, but I'm fine with taking that free sample of cheese in the supermarket. Reality V Overreaction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arnenna View Post
    There is nothing decent about drugs, not any of them, so "a bit more decent" is not apt.
    It's entirely apt given the original context. It's disingenuous to imply "decent" was used in regards to hobbit presents somehow being more "morally respectable." The context clearly meant variations of "more powerful, more effective, more desirable".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arnenna View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bohemond71 View Post
    In fairness to the people that like the changes . . . the drug dealer was already there. At least now it gives harder drugs which are a bit more decent and give a bigger buzz. Remember also, it's only a problem if you spend mithril on extra drugs. If not, it's just a free daily hit.
    Except, accepting a single free gift is nothing like taking a free hit of drug. Apples and Oranges. There is nothing decent about drugs, not any of them, so "a bit more decent" is not apt. Actually I'm a bit surprised that you'd bring in such an example for a comparison.

    A free hit of heroin (harder, so a bit more decent?).
    A free morale bubble potion.

    What's next? How the free one chance at a tome of defence that is useful in a raid is the same as a free shot of anabolic steroid to get a player winning the latest race?

    Yeah, ok, if you want. The game hasn't become that "real" for me though. I still treat it as a bunch of pixels behind a pane of glass. I spit on the drug dealers of real life, but I'm fine with taking that free sample of cheese in the supermarket. Reality V Overreaction.
    While I agree that implying someone is a drug pusher sounds harsh. I think the implication or parallel was not to narcotic classed drugs itself, but rather the method to hook someone to an addiction or at least to spend more by giving free samples. Like the method to give out a free sample to at least wet their appetite. In that sense I see the parallel or analogy used. If that was what Bohemond71 meant then they have a point. However I think it's a bit more polite to use the analogy of how a Casino gives out a complimentary or free markers, so that it might wet Your appetite, to reel You in to spending more. Maybe first give You a small sample out in the street (like those small perfume bottles, or a miniature chewing gum packs sometimes handed out for free), to get You to try out the product, maybe get You to go into the store. Then in there let You sample some more flavours, maybe some bigger samples, until You become a hooked and a customer. That is why I don't see the Hobbit "presents" a.k.a. Hobbit "gifts" as gifts at all. More like a promotion, exactly like a sample to wet Your appetite. To get You used to some of the items You can also buy in the store. Even in hope You spend some Mithril on opening more Hobbit "presents", but this time by paying for them.

    Yes, some of us can take that "free" sample and stop there and all is fine, but some can not. However have no illusion in thinking it's a "gift" for the sake of being a gift or present. It is not a free meal without an ulterior motive. Nothing unique, alot of business' use this method of course. Not just SSG. Just a fact of one of the methods used to prompote something. Some are of course more susceptible to this method than others. That is why the method is used. To hope to hook those that are. Throw alot of lines and hooks with bait on into the sea and maybe a few of them will hook some fish. Sometimes some fish simply sneak away with the bait without getting hooked too.
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    Today I hit the jackpot: first age symbol on a free silver pull. Woot you might think?

    No so much as I have maybe 19 sitting on my main server's vault and the coin to pickup 20 more 1st agers and the gold to buy 50 symbols on the AH if they were there. It's on a lone level 8 char on a server that will stretch my language skills. To be honest I can't remember if it was on either the German, French or RP server. All linguistically beyond me My 27 maxed out ILI is enough for me.

    I think they are for a player in a more desperate position with a tendency for conspicuous consumption as an indicator of self-worth. Like the Ultimate pack and the Keys, Valar and other store purchases. You are on the grind merry-go-round of the pay money-go-round. Neither can step off, just the question of who will/can switch rides or quit remains.
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    Alternately, I don't have any maxed LIs because I haven't played to endgame yet.

    I submit that the target audience for Hobbit gifts are average players, not ones who have been stockpiling the choicest stuff for years.

    Other than combat run-speed bursts, I can use almost everything I receive. When it's not a nice as my crafted stuff, like the hope tokens, I use them as backup for when I run out and haven't cycled through my jeweler alt. They're supposed to be nice-to-haves, not game-changers.

    I think the overhaul breathed new life into the Hobbit gifts. The virtue XP is a great addition. I agree with whoever pointed out that the new presentation adds a bit of roleplaying atmosphere.
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    The new Presents appear to have a better loot table overall and definitely the presentation is better, with added LotR flavour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by auximenes View Post
    The new Presents appear to have a better loot table overall and definitely the presentation is better, with added LotR flavour.


    This is pretty much how I feel.

 

 
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