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  1. #201
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    Hoping to get news on this soon...real soon, not smirky "soon"
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  2. #202
    At this point, I would absolutely pay a one time fee to get my shared storage back to Brandywine so I can get back to playing

  3. #203
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    As discussed in other posts, they had to re-build the process from scratch when they changed database software.... and unfortunately the first tests (copy to Bullroarer) was less than stellar. About 10% of tranfers FAILED and resulted in corrupt data. Not a huge issue if you just do a COPY (which bullroarer is) but if you do a MOVE and end up with a corrupted or even lost character, people ain't gonna be happy.

    Shared storage is another issue. I expect character transfers to be opened first, and at that time you might be able to utilize a character transfer to transfer everything you need from shared storage, provided you have enough bag space or vault space for it. This won't really help with green account bound currency though, as that is attached to the shared storage on a server level.

    I'm hoping they will eventually restore that ability too, but they may have to make some changes to the currency system first..... They may have to make certain currencies truly "server bound" such as mithril coins are, to prevent people from stacking up 10k embers on all 5 servers, and then transferring it all to one server to spend 10k times 5, and be "raid geared" on one day.... I believe this was a concern among some players, and it has led to the belief that shared transfers were deliberately disabled because of these currency transfers, and not because of database software and other technical changes.

    In any case... I would want to be sure it gets tested properly. We'll likely see another test when the raid comes to bullroarer - which is probably mid/late february or so. Hopefully they will have sorted out the problems by then.
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    It's all well and good. Of course, such problems need to be tested and fixed. Preventive, of course.

    But the lack of communication with the customer is what bothers me the most (not only in this area). It doesn't help much if Cordovan says something vague here and there in the livestream. Quite simply: "Hey guys, we're still working on it. We'll have to test a few more things at points X and Y, but if everything goes well, the transfers are likely to return in <month> / <year>. It comes together with or without function 1,2,3 becaus of ..."
    Can it be that hard? Or is this in any way against the game operators' philosophy of letting players know what they want to know? The thread has been open since October. And for some that means restrictions in the gaming experience for more than 3 months because this feature is missing. But how long is in the stars. That reminds me of the Legendary Server PvMP topic again. "Later. At a higher level cap." Thank you ...
    It's a completely different story, of course, but the same 'nothing' in terms of communication.

  5. #205
    New patch, and again, nothing on transfers. Closing in on FIVE months now since transfers were shut down with Zero notice. When is some progress going to be made here?!?!
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    For a thread that goes for 9 pages and has 16k+ views, it's surprising that month-after-month, we see next to nothing on this in forum updates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nouri View Post
    New patch, and again, nothing on transfers. Closing in on FIVE months now since transfers were shut down with Zero notice. When is some progress going to be made here?!?!
    Because Rohan for Legendary Servers have nothing with transfers

  8. #208
    Quote Originally Posted by Elmagor View Post
    Because Rohan for Legendary Servers have nothing with transfers.
    Yup... and the the next new project has priority, and then the next new project and then the next new project. They'll re-implement transfers sometime in 2021 when the people really needing them and wanting to get back into the game (those having toons on locked worlds) have already given up on the game in frustration.
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    Well Cordovan has said in the past that they are working on character transfer, but shared storage will take even longer. In the latest stream he said that they are still working on it and should have an update for it very soon™.

    In my opinion transfer is not worth much without shard storage transfer as well. Yes You can pay to move over Your character, but lose all materials, skirmish marks, medallions and many other things You worked so hard to gather. Only things that will move over are what is in the characters bags. Not to mention how useful free transfer of shared storage was to keep Auction Houses alive on servers with lower population numbers. Oh well. It is what it is. I've pretty much given up on free transfer of shared storage ever coming back in the way it used to work. Just another nice feature NERFed I guess.

  10. #210
    anyone not realizing the only reason they've deactivated world transfers is the mere reason of p2w. people were hoarding and farming embers and other useful stuff on alts which were on different servers, and then conveniently moving them as they saw fit to their main char, which again was on another server. don't even fall to the fairy tale that there was (suddenly) something broken with transfers which worked fine for years now.

    cordovan's statement regarding shared storage will probably even take longer to return/fix is the ultimate proof of that.
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    While the items Lord.Funk mentioned aren't items themselves, as in, they aren't stored in "Shared Storage" at the NPC, your Wallet has both toon-bound and account-bound items (like marks and medallions, and other special currency - like motes/embers, cough cough). Those account-bound "items" wouldn't be transferred either if they re-enable toon transfers without shared storage transfers.

    It has nothing to do with the NPC accessible feature, and all to do with the Ember hoarding & transferring that allowed ppl to avoid the currency cap. And I'm assuming they still have trouble finding a fix that won't anger absolutely everyone and it won't come back as a free service (btw, thanks, cheaters).
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    This is sad I have been thinking of slowly transferring my 20+ characters to another server. So they are losing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Findun View Post
    anyone not realizing the only reason they've deactivated world transfers is the mere reason of p2w. people were hoarding and farming embers and other useful stuff on alts which were on different servers, and then conveniently moving them as they saw fit to their main char, which again was on another server. don't even fall to the fairy tale that there was (suddenly) something broken with transfers which worked fine for years now.

    cordovan's statement regarding shared storage will probably even take longer to return/fix is the ultimate proof of that.
    That is no proof at all. The shared currency thing can easily be solved by simply placing those currency in the “per server” category such as mithril coins. There is a lot more proof to suggest it is technical. While your theory is just hearsay and assumptions, we know for a fact they changed database software, we know for a fact that they have been testing transfers, and we know for a fact that it went rather wrong in the last bullroarer session when copies of at least 10% of characters failed.

    Those are all facts as heard from Cordovan in his streams and as experienced by players over the last few months. Your “it is all about p2w” is nothing but hearsay. Besides: Transfers are a constant stream of revenue for them. It’s in their financial interest to enable them again.
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    so you believe what ssg says? lol ... keep on dreaming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Findun View Post
    so you believe what ssg says? lol ... keep on dreaming.
    I rather base my opinions on facts that are known from both SSG and experiences from players, such as those doing the bullroarer copies and reporting them.

    And as said: The shared currency thing can easily be fixed by just making them server bound. You can still spend them on armor/essence boxes and ship those along with a character.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nouri View Post
    Yup... and the the next new project has priority, and then the next new project and then the next new project. They'll re-implement transfers sometime in 2021 when the people really needing them and wanting to get back into the game (those having toons on locked worlds) have already given up on the game in frustration.
    People really needing them to keep exploiting? They already test system during last Bullroar testing, and some characters (10-20%) have errors during transfer. And it's JUST COPY. Imagine if you transfer character from one server to another and lose ALL items? Don't need to rush this thing... in one game I lose all items and gear for my 8 year old main character during transfer, and developers can't return most of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maartena View Post
    I rather base my opinions on facts that are known from both SSG and experiences from players, such as those doing the bullroarer copies and reporting them.

    And as said: The shared currency thing can easily be fixed by just making them server bound. You can still spend them on armor/essence boxes and ship those along with a character.
    From my experience:
    I've never been in a marketing department of any company I've worked for but without exception they weren't regarded as providing wholly accurate information for customers.

    My only failure to copy onto BR was some years ago; from attempting to take an item previously taken by another character. Since then my copies have been more organised and successful.

    As for the shared currency suggestion; there has been zero communication/discussion from SSG on any detail so however reasonable you may think your suggestion is, even obvious, it frankly doesn't mean that SSG will employ the same rigor in establishing what needs to be done. Just the lack of transparency suggests they aren't open to critical review of their plans before release. As for the beta, how many of us will be bothered to screen shot every item and currency before and after any copy or transfer?

    I think it's reasonable to ask what the possible downsides will be so the players can mitigate effects, e.g. over-capacity storage and wardrobes.

  18. #218
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    thank you, finally someone with senses. people dont understand that cordovan's stream is nothing but marketing and ANYTHING he says on stream is either been thru through marketing or hasnt been, hence why he cant or wont answer. he is not sitting there because he loves the game.

    but people are fanbois whatya gonna do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maartena View Post
    Those are all facts as heard from Cordovan in his streams....

    Um............................ .............................. .oh nvm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Braer View Post
    From my experience:
    I've never been in a marketing department of any company I've worked for but without exception they weren't regarded as providing wholly accurate information for customers.

    My only failure to copy onto BR was some years ago; from attempting to take an item previously taken by another character. Since then my copies have been more organised and successful.

    As for the shared currency suggestion; there has been zero communication/discussion from SSG on any detail so however reasonable you may think your suggestion is, even obvious, it frankly doesn't mean that SSG will employ the same rigor in establishing what needs to be done. Just the lack of transparency suggests they aren't open to critical review of their plans before release. As for the beta, how many of us will be bothered to screen shot every item and currency before and after any copy or transfer?

    I think it's reasonable to ask what the possible downsides will be so the players can mitigate effects, e.g. over-capacity storage and wardrobes.
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  21. #221
    So is it my understanding that I still can't transfer my old characters from Vilya? I'm sorry If I'm fueling a fire or not helping in any way I'm trying to figure this out. I would love to play again, but not without the characters I made when the game first launched.

    I noticed that the Transfer button is up today, but the old closed worlds don't show up when I click that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theflyincat1227 View Post
    So is it my understanding that I still can't transfer my old characters from Vilya? I'm sorry If I'm fueling a fire or not helping in any way I'm trying to figure this out. I would love to play again, but not without the characters I made when the game first launched.

    I noticed that the Transfer button is up today, but the old closed worlds don't show up when I click that.
    Unfortunately the Transfer Wizard is only permitting copy to Palantir (for private preview testers) and Bullroarer (for occasional general preview).

    Have you considered creating a new character of a class or race that did not exist when you last played? (I know that's not likely to be a satisfactory answer but I want to try to give some sort of possibly positive suggestion.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nosdracir View Post
    Unfortunately the Transfer Wizard is only permitting copy to Palantir (for private preview testers) and Bullroarer (for occasional general preview).

    Have you considered creating a new character of a class or race that did not exist when you last played? (I know that's not likely to be a satisfactory answer but I want to try to give some sort of possibly positive suggestion.)
    I have, I made a Champion to pass the time, I just know I spent some money on the in game shop when it came out so I want to make sure I get some of that back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schattenhand View Post
    It's all well and good. Of course, such problems need to be tested and fixed. Preventive, of course.

    But the lack of communication with the customer is what bothers me the most (not only in this area). It doesn't help much if Cordovan says something vague here and there in the livestream. Quite simply: "Hey guys, we're still working on it. We'll have to test a few more things at points X and Y, but if everything goes well, the transfers are likely to return in <month> / <year>. It comes together with or without function 1,2,3 becaus of ..."
    Can it be that hard? Or is this in any way against the game operators' philosophy of letting players know what they want to know? The thread has been open since October. And for some that means restrictions in the gaming experience for more than 3 months because this feature is missing. But how long is in the stars. That reminds me of the Legendary Server PvMP topic again. "Later. At a higher level cap." Thank you ...
    It's a completely different story, of course, but the same 'nothing' in terms of communication.

    Here, Schattenhand hit the nail on the head. And has the subscription been cheaper if not all functions have been available for several months ?!

  25. #225

    Please fix server transfers!

    Just adding another voice to the cacophony. I was a beta tester and player of LOTRO way back when it was first released. I played for a long time after release, but wound up falling out when GW2 was released in 2012. Anyway, I recently saw a post by WoodenPotatoes on YouTube and he was playing LOTRO, which made me nostalgic. So I figure hey, why not try it out again, I loved it in the past and it is still getting releases. Of course, my characters are on Firefoot, and with world character transfers closed down I am faced with a conundrum. Do I try a new server, role a whole new toon and treat this game like a brand new game?

    I think probably not...hopefully they will correct their database transfer problem soon. I will not role a new character on a new server, and would really love to give LOTRO another try, but begin from nothing again...yea, if I was going to do that I will go find a new MMORPG....

    Here is to hoping the devs figure this out soon.

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