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  1. #51
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanyaerunanethiel View Post
    Imagine if it was Open PvMP?
    Open PvMp is banned in the contract, certainly for Turbine it was. The PvE players wanted protection totally from PvMP imposed on them, raiding low-level areas like the Shire, etc. That's not legally possible.
    Hitchens(r9 warg), Glasgow(R9 LM) Brandywine server.
    I fought alongside Silverest & Wuffles on Gladden when LOTRO began, nowadays on Brandwyne's PvP

  2. #52
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    I'm not a PvMP player, but I've wondered why they don't make PvMP into open instances/skirmishes/whatever. Like make an Ost Guruth versus Minas Eriol instance or something- then there could be PvMP happening in areas all over the world, just not in the main game. There's no way this hasn't been suggested before though. Curious why it always has to be a separate region.

  3. #53
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    Quote Originally Posted by CarltheRed View Post
    Open PvMp is banned in the contract, certainly for Turbine it was. The PvE players wanted protection totally from PvMP imposed on them, raiding low-level areas like the Shire, etc. That's not legally possible.

    Legally? Laughs. Do you recall Russian servers and massive invasion of monsters in Forochel and Eregion. Players did not make rules, It was primarily and finally developers decision.It was possible in theory to implement different layers and ways to have it Open without slaughtering level 5 players 24/7 but thats past now.

  4. #54
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanyaerunanethiel View Post
    Legally? Laughs. Do you recall Russian servers and massive invasion of monsters in Forochel and Eregion. Players did not make rules, It was primarily and finally developers decision.It was possible in theory to implement different layers and ways to have it Open without slaughtering level 5 players 24/7 but thats past now.

    And now you have this russian servers closed... imagine why Lotro don't need open pvp. Lotro need deal with lag in pvp. And balance only if botch sides will have same access to pvp. Curently freeps are much powerful but have less numbers. And it would be ok if not lag. Come to Evernight and experience 30-50s skilllags.

  5. #55
    PvMP

    Fixed an issue with the Get Now button on the Monster Play Character Selection screen.
    Fixed the ring animation on the Monster Play Character Selection screen.

    Well there's something in store for PVMP after all, Yessss been waiting for that, now were balanced.
    Cheesiepoofs Bane of Vilya

  6. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Vanyaerunanethiel View Post
    Legally? Laughs. Do you recall Russian servers and massive invasion of monsters in Forochel and Eregion. Players did not make rules, It was primarily and finally developers decision.It was possible in theory to implement different layers and ways to have it Open without slaughtering level 5 players 24/7 but thats past now.
    The "contract" was a stipulation from Middle Earth Enterprises that freeps can't fight freeps, as that, they felt was against the lore - obviously it wasn't but whatever.

    LOTRO doesn't have open world pvp because a) they don't do one off servers (until recently with the "Legendary" servers) and b) because the landscape is too full of stuck positions and exploited to be considered for pvp.

    The Eregion and Forochel invasions were in a beta. We had the same thing on the US servers in launch beta where creeps invaded Trestlebridge.



    Wow you guys are lol'ably clueless.

  7. #57
    I don't see how creeps and freeps can ever really be balanced unless all are using the same 12 trait slots, 5 class and 5 race system. I get that freeps will want to keep all that stuff they worked so hard in PvE to get, but to have a real balance creep vs freeps the system used creepside (or something similar) would need to be rolled over to freep side. As a side-effect, this would drastically lower the grind for entry-level freeps who want to come into PvMP with a new toon.

    Otherwise after every expansion creep vs freep balance will be out of whack and need to be tuned. Then as freeps get max level/raid gear it will need to be tuned again or will perpetually be out of balance. Since SSG doesn't seem to have the personnel to keep tuning this balance, either we continue out of balance or time is spent tuning that could be spent in lots of other places - like bug fixes for creep/freep side.

  8. #58
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    Quote Originally Posted by NavarreBlood View Post
    I don't see how creeps and freeps can ever really be balanced unless all are using the same 12 trait slots, 5 class and 5 race system. I get that freeps will want to keep all that stuff they worked so hard in PvE to get, but to have a real balance creep vs freeps the system used creepside (or something similar) would need to be rolled over to freep side. As a side-effect, this would drastically lower the grind for entry-level freeps who want to come into PvMP with a new toon.

    Otherwise after every expansion creep vs freep balance will be out of whack and need to be tuned. Then as freeps get max level/raid gear it will need to be tuned again or will perpetually be out of balance. Since SSG doesn't seem to have the personnel to keep tuning this balance, either we continue out of balance or time is spent tuning that could be spent in lots of other places - like bug fixes for creep/freep side.

    It's easy to balance. In etten there is buff called monster-play. They can gate skills,gear,items by this buff. They could force freeps to use pvp-only items. But they not gonna do it cause they know freeps will just stop comming to moors. If they not stupidly op - they not come. We have this every level cap raise. They appear only when they know they stronger. Lotro freep player this days not look for challenge. They do 2 wardens+bear+mini groups and if they can't win they just port out (yes SSG you could block this too but i'm sure sales of store summoning horns would drop).

 

 
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