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    Quote Originally Posted by sapienze View Post
    Rad I admire your persistence. I really do. I truly enjoy the world created we play on. It's detail is a wonder to behold concerning Tolkien's world. I still reflect on memories of my first days in the Shire. Finding places and features which brought my experience to a different level. My outlook on Tolkien's world is more complete than it would have ever been just by reading and listening to his books. This story is nearly over. I know it. You know it and so does SSG. SSG will stretch out this last mile as far as they can. You and I both know this too. Then what?

    Does the game end development? Does it shut down? Not if SSG has their way. Then what?
    They come up with more story of their own, that's what, because no matter whatever else might get added the game will definitely need more PvE content.

    Sooner or later this game will stray further than it has any time all thru the last 11 years from proper cannon. Why? Because it will have to or it will become stagnant. What I don't comprehend in your persistence on this matter is why do you care what pvpers do or how they do it. Its already a given pvpers will never fight on the landscape. Its a given that less than a majority will pvp. Yet Lore junkies (and other select niche players) still attack any notion involving pvp. With all that said, I also can't comprehend why those same players never comment about LotRO's near endless festivals. Players dressed as boxes running around. Players riding Elk. Players having Shrews the size of cows. Players flying Kites. Beornings running as fast or faster than horses. The list is virtually endless and you want to grab at pvpers?
    Damn straight I do because the game already has its own brand of PvP, an asymmetric one that respects the story and the way the game is set up, and the logic behind that still holds.

    Any thread about pvp outside of the pvp section gets harassed by the same people spewing the same old bile. Sure many times its of a passive nature but it becomes obvious they have a disdain for pvp. To be frank most players who PvP couldn't give a rats ### about "their" foul breath. All pvpers want to do is compete against each other.
    Don't generalise. We're talking about a specific point here, not PvP good or bad, just whether a particular form of it should be in the game. If you think I've got a general disdain for PvP you're barking up the wrong tree entirely. What I do think, though, is that if an RPG has PvP then the scenario for it should bear some relation to what the game's otherwise about, it shouldn't just be mindless violence.

    So, as a past forum user dubbed you "Dr. Know" with your wide knowledge of Tolkien's lore, why can't you offer alternatives instead of always being Dr. NO?
    Err... we already have that alternative.

  2. #52
    For the last time PVP arenas doesn't effect RP community becuase it is optional!!!! I could say it effects less than people going into the wild and sing songs for 3 days or fighting balrongs inside a rift in angmar with a hobbit tanking it. Anyway plz enlight me with more accurate arguments and do not spam the same answers all the time thank you all.
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  3. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Radhruin_EU View Post
    They come up with more story of their own, that's what, because no matter whatever else might get added the game will definitely need more PvE content.
    More story of their own. Ok got it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Radhruin_EU View Post
    Damn straight I do because the game already has its own brand of PvP, an asymmetric one that respects the story and the way the game is set up, and the logic behind that still holds.
    The logic behind it is a limited version because we all know snowflakes would throw a fit if this game emulated the actual story.

    Quote Originally Posted by Radhruin_EU View Post
    Don't generalise. We're talking about a specific point here, not PvP good or bad, just whether a particular form of it should be in the game. If you think I've got a general disdain for PvP you're barking up the wrong tree entirely. What I do think, though, is that if an RPG has PvP then the scenario for it should bear some relation to what the game's otherwise about, it shouldn't just be mindless violence.
    I did generalize and will do so if I choose to. In that generalization I was on point. The last few pvp threads proves this. Go and read and see who post.

    Mindless violence is the profundity of Tolkien's world based on the morals of becoming bastardized immoral. Some, if exposed and given the freedom of choice become corrupt by their freewill. If anything is to be learned from Tolkien, this lesson is the most obvious. Greed, abuse of Power, Selfishness are destructive to the individual and to humanity. Mindless violence achieves this more easily than any other tool.

    Quote Originally Posted by Radhruin_EU View Post
    Err... we already have that alternative.

    Alternative?

    PvMP:

    Not maintained.
    Undeveloped
    Ignored for years.

    Is this the alternative you speak of?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sapienze View Post
    More story of their own. Ok got it.
    You'd best hope so or otherwise the game will be dead, and no amount of gimmickry (be that arenas or anything else) will make any real difference.

    The logic behind it is a limited version because we all know snowflakes would throw a fit if this game emulated the actual story.
    Oh right, the actual story which is anything but even-handed and where Orcs in particular are outclassed by the Free Peoples and have to rely on force of numbers instead? That actual story? The one where the Creeps in general are cannon fodder and die in droves, and Sauron's just fine with that because he has lots of them? You disappoint me, if you've read the book you should know better.

    I did generalize and will do so if I choose to. In that generalization I was on point. The last few pvp threads proves this. Go and read and see who post.
    Not on point for this thread.

    Mindless violence is the profundity of Tolkien's world based on the morals of becoming bastardized immoral. Some, if exposed and given the freedom of choice become corrupt by their freewill. If anything is to be learned from Tolkien, this lesson is the most obvious. Greed, abuse of Power, Selfishness are destructive to the individual and to humanity. Mindless violence achieves this more easily than any other tool.
    Same answer as always when someone posts this: first off, we're not playing people who've been corrupted and further, that doesn't apply equally to all the Free Peoples in any case as Elves in particular didn't carry on like that in the Third Age and as for hobbits, they weren't given to violence even when corrupted. You make it sound like we're only playing Men, and that really won't wash.

    Besides which, it's not as if the violence is generally mindless. This is LOTR we're talking about, not A Clockwork Orange. Barring occasions when someone's stricken by madness, there's usually a good reason for it and it's not happening for its own sake. Unless it's Orcs doing it, because they love a nice bit of ultra-violence... but again, we're not meant to be acting like Orcs, are we?

    Alternative?

    PvMP:

    Not maintained.
    Undeveloped
    Ignored for years.

    Is this the alternative you speak of?
    Still better than the dreck being suggested in this thread and there's nothing wrong with the principle of it, regardless.

  5. #55
    Been away for a while but the same old faces espousing the same dull narratives...

    Yawn..

    There is no reason why there cannot be a battle royale if it is implemented sympathetically to the story and you can dress it up how you want...

    Freep v Freep training or what the devs have already implemented in part in Mordor where you take on Mordors champions.

    But again, nothing will come of it because SSG can't be @rsed due to revenue and who blames them but for the life of me I cannot understand the people whose rhetoric is so Anti something they would never see or partake?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TearMaker View Post
    Been away for a while but the same old faces espousing the same dull narratives...

    Yawn..
    Err... you make it sound like it's been weeks rather than only five days, and that comes across as really forced given that nobody's posted at all since about two days after your last post.

    As for 'narrative' - so sorry if LOTR is too dull for you but then the game *is* based on it, after all, and there's a distinct lack of Elves beating up hobbits or other such excitement as you crave.

    There is no reason why there cannot be a battle royale if it is implemented sympathetically to the story and you can dress it up how you want...
    /facepalm

    That's the whole point, you cannot do this sympathetically (and that cynical phrase ' you can dress it up how you want' shows you have no such intention). Talk of 'training' is disingenuous as long as you want any sort of reward for this, and comparing it to that bit of PvE in Mordor (which was ill-considered in the first place) begs the question of who'd be thinking of organising such a thing.

    'Battle royale' implies FFA, every man for himself (not teams) and only one winner, so you seem to have gone off on a wild tangent there. (It also implies a competition staged for the entertainment of a royal court - needless to say, Aragorn is no Eärnur and I really can't imagine him wanting to celebrate his wedding by watching Elves beating up hobbits, etc.)

    But again, nothing will come of it
    ...because as an idea it's seriously out of place and always has been. What's weird is failing to see that there's an issue with it even after well over a decade.

  7. #57
    Radhruin, we appreciate your feedback and you do not want to see elves beating up hobbits and devs read about it and we get it like 10 times. Thanx for your feedback already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleziana View Post
    Radhruin, we appreciate your feedback and you do not want to see elves beating up hobbits and devs read about it and we get it like 10 times. Thanx for your feedback already.
    That might have a bit more sting to it if this whole thread wasn't just a retread itself

  9. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by Radhruin_EU View Post
    That might have a bit more sting to it if this whole thread wasn't just a retread itself
    I feel safe and take solace by the continuity of your convictions. How boring would it be if we all agreed

    That said you are still wrong but it is a safe side of the argument to be on as you know full well that SSG cannot afford time nor effort to even add a new tree or even give Overlord bird,who still guards the old camp hotspot, a friend or two !... (at least I hope she is still there)
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