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    Stealth nerf to dwarrowgleam shard drop rate in 23.1.2?

    I have several alts able to run grey mountain resource instances. Before 23.1.2 I would see a shard drop about every 10 to 12 crafters boxes as well as every 80 to 100 nodes. Since the update where you get a rare crafters box at 20/40/60 resource resource quests I have not seen a single shard drop in over 150 crafters boxes and well over 300 nodes. So, did we just get traded a maximum of 3 shards per week guaranteed (from doing 20! Resource instances) instead of double or more probability based on RNG? Any other evidence or am I hallucinating? I have been keeping close track since I noticed after a day or 2 that no shards were dropping at all.

    Note that the grims in withered heath as of 23.1.3 no longer seem to be tough as the don’t reflect damage and do very little of their own. This is nice as you have to kill about 15 just to get through the instance.

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    I never once saw a shard in a crafter's box (other than the box that always has it) and I ran them all every day on 4 characters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frisco View Post
    I never once saw a shard in a crafter's box (other than the box that always has it) and I ran them all every day on 4 characters.
    same here. OP is just really lucky, I guess.
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    I never got a single shard from crafter box. And I frankly can't recall last time I got a shard from any resource node.

    The various containers (wooden chests, backpacks, corpses) seem to be the only viable source of shards.

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    Update: I think there has been a stealth nerf in 23.1.4. Since Nov 5, I have not seen a single shard from any container, and I opened quite a lot.

    The drop rate from resource nodes did not appear to change. Looks like the two shards you get from weekly RtG are now the only source of them.

    Good thing I already crafted everything I wanted to craft for my main.

    Nerfing chests is the last nail in the coffin. Ironfold crafting is now officialy dead.

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    I can't confirm that shards drop from containers (corpses, backpacks, etc), but I can confirm that they still drop from ore nodes.

    I saw this thread a few days ago, right now I'm running the Glimmerdeep resource instance on a toon that has prospector and a shard just dropped from an ore node in the instance. This was not from the "Reclaiming the Grey" meta quest, it was definitely from an ore node I mined.

    One shard isn't enough to say if the drop rate has changed, but it is enough to say that shards still drop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scorrp10 View Post
    Update: I think there has been a stealth nerf in 23.1.4. Since Nov 5, I have not seen a single shard from any container, and I opened quite a lot.

    The drop rate from resource nodes did not appear to change. Looks like the two shards you get from weekly RtG are now the only source of them.
    Agreed -- the landscape containers no longer drop shards. . . very annoying.

    In doing the last batch of 50 RtG quests, I got one shard from an Ore node in Glimmerdeep - none from anywhere else. (Ignoring the chest rewards).

    On top of that, the truly anoying thing is I have yet to see any "Dwarf-Iron Fragments" appear anywhere -- not even on the Auction House!

    Without those Fragments, the shards are almost worthless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valamar View Post
    Agreed -- the landscape containers no longer drop shards. . . very annoying.

    In doing the last batch of 50 RtG quests, I got one shard from an Ore node in Glimmerdeep - none from anywhere else. (Ignoring the chest rewards).

    On top of that, the truly anoying thing is I have yet to see any "Dwarf-Iron Fragments" appear anywhere -- not even on the Auction House!

    Without those Fragments, the shards are almost worthless.
    Uhm, I got a shard the day before yesterday in the Ungoladan camp when I opened the backpack lying around there. It was my 2nd landscape shard since U23. So maybe the droprate is just really low.
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    I've gotten three so far in all the Questing in these areas. I just unlocked the Dailies and have finished up the Epic. I used to farm Mornaur in Udun and the drop rate of those Black Adamant Shards were probably one in twenty or so Chests. For the Dwarrowgleam Shards, I don't see much of a source here at all. The Crafting Chests are specific and unvaried in their drops. Backpacks are not common enough and have a very low rate to begin with.

    The need for Shards is also much higher for Recipes here as well.

    Then again there is that Dwarf-iron Fragment requirement as well for Armour crafting. Has anyone seen them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valamar View Post
    Agreed -- the landscape containers no longer drop shards. . . very annoying.

    In doing the last batch of 50 RtG quests, I got one shard from an Ore node in Glimmerdeep - none from anywhere else. (Ignoring the chest rewards).

    On top of that, the truly anoying thing is I have yet to see any "Dwarf-Iron Fragments" appear anywhere -- not even on the Auction House!

    Without those Fragments, the shards are almost worthless.
    The only thing to use those shards on are the weekly "ember-worthy craft for embers" exchange quest in Skarhald, but it required SEVEN shards for 1,000 embers. Expensive, but without Dwarf Iron Fragments what else do you have to use them on? Also, nobody is seeing 7 shards per week, period.
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    Well, I guess it was a streak of bad luck... tried farming my usual spot over this weekend, got some more shards. They definitely still drop. Maybe just less often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scorrp10 View Post
    Well, I guess it was a streak of bad luck... tried farming my usual spot over this weekend, got some more shards. They definitely still drop. Maybe just less often.
    from nodes or chests/corpses?
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    My prospector managed to acquire four from nodes in about 4 hours of landscape roaming. All from skarn nodes, none from rich nodes.

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    I just completed mining a 500 stack of Ironfold Skarn and got ZERO shards for the effort. Yes, I know they drop at random, but as a Very active crafter I am accustomed to the drop rate for various resources. Normally I would have received at Least 2-3 shards. Not a Happy Camper
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    I get 1 shard from container in Vales of Anduin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elmagor View Post
    I get 1 shard from container in Vales of Anduin
    Which "container" do you mean?
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    People comment about this kind of thing on ever new tier haha. The moment they stop being as lucky, must be nerf for sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelind View Post
    People comment about this kind of thing on ever new tier haha. The moment they stop being as lucky, must be nerf for sure
    The problem is that these shard drops were very rare to begin with. Way more than they needed to be! Having a streak of bad luck only makes the work to acquire them all the more frustrating to us crafters. I use to love to craft in this game but now have pretty much given up on it and spend less time ingame mainly due to this. IDK, but for reasons beyond my understanding SSG refuses to do anything to make crafting in the new areas worth the time invested in it...why???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaiandrial View Post
    Which "container" do you mean?
    wooden box or something like that. I never get any shard from any resource node.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelind View Post
    People comment about this kind of thing on ever new tier haha. The moment they stop being as lucky, must be nerf for sure
    Hey Troll, did you read any of thread or just the headline? Shards are NOT dropping in Ered Mithrin from skarn nodes unless you are saying that getting ZERO shards after mining 500 chunks is just bad luck for myself and several others who have same issue?

    Here, have a juicebox . Go away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by welden View Post
    The problem is that these shard drops were very rare to begin with. Way more than they needed to be! Having a streak of bad luck only makes the work to acquire them all the more frustrating to us crafters. I use to love to craft in this game but now have pretty much given up on it and spend less time ingame mainly due to this. IDK, but for reasons beyond my understanding SSG refuses to do anything to make crafting in the new areas worth the time invested in it...why???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elmagor View Post
    wooden box or something like that. I never get any shard from any resource node.
    Thanks bud, and yeah, no shard drops from resource nodes in Ered Mithrin at all apparently. Must be hard for ppl just getting to that area
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaiandrial View Post
    Hey Troll, did you read any of thread or just the headline? Shards are NOT dropping in Ered Mithrin from skarn nodes unless you are saying that getting ZERO shards after mining 500 chunks is just bad luck for myself and several others who have same issue?

    Here, have a juicebox . Go away.
    People don't understand randomness. Our brain just isn't made that way.

    Fact is, that with and average drop rate of 1 shard in 50 nodes, an actual drop rate for one person of 1 in 500 is perfectly feasible. Even 1 in 5000, or 1 in 500000 are possible, still maintaining that average of 1 in 50.
    To say something sensible about average drop rate you'd need vastly larger datasets. So yes, unless proven otherwise, you had pretty lousy luck. I feel for you, been there myself.

    Actually, I thought that for my personal little run (corpses near Jarnfast. Yeah, I know ...) the drop rate went down a patch or two earlier. But then ... randomness, you know.

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    Shards from resourse nodes were very rare from start. I was popping every ore and wood node I came across, and in first weeks after U23, could count number of shards I got from those, on one hand.
    Shards from treasure nodes (Wooden chest, backpack, corpse), however, dropped like candy. I got 30+ shards primarily around TG entrance area - it got a lot of constantly repopping 'wooden chests'. Then early November, they stealth nerfed it. Now you might call it "statistic" or "random luck" but going from average 1-2 per hour to 0 in a week, is a wee bit too extreme to be 'random'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OghranNasty View Post
    People don't understand randomness. Our brain just isn't made that way.

    Fact is, that with and average drop rate of 1 shard in 50 nodes, an actual drop rate for one person of 1 in 500 is perfectly feasible. Even 1 in 5000, or 1 in 500000 are possible, still maintaining that average of 1 in 50.
    To say something sensible about average drop rate you'd need vastly larger datasets. So yes, unless proven otherwise, you had pretty lousy luck. I feel for you, been there myself.

    Actually, I thought that for my personal little run (corpses near Jarnfast. Yeah, I know ...) the drop rate went down a patch or two earlier. But then ... randomness, you know.
    Actually it wasn't just me having the same issue and yes, I understand "randomness". However, what are the chances of mining 500 chunks in one area, getting no shards, then immediately going to another area, mining same skarn and get 3 in 200 chunks, then go directly back to original location, mine 350 chunks and once again get zero .... ? Yes, I know, randomness, but after mining and crafting for 10 alts over 5 yrs I kinda have a "feel" for regular drop rates. If this had happened JUST to me then yes, I'd be wrong to assume anything. However, if you had read the additional comments in this thread you'd have seen that this issue isn't isolated.

    Maybe read ALL replies before just commenting on what the title says my friend
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