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    Silent one

    Does anyone know why the Silent one betrayed the orcs in Cirith ungol /lhingris?
    Did that have anything to do with Shagrat infighting the other orcs when they captured Frodo (due to mistrust)?
    Thank you

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    Actually he betrayed orcs of Durthang. Orcs of CU under Captain Roglarg have a rough deal with Shelob to feed her occasional sacrifices. So when Durthang orcs ventured to Lhingris, Silent One arranged for their demise rather than expend CU orcs.

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    I don't understand why they help Shelob and maybe unrelated, the infighting that helped Sam rescue Frodo , they seem connected to me somehow. The Silent one just comes out of nowhere and starts helping Shelob by feeding orcs and also help her infest an area . How would that benefit orcs , a safe passage thru the tunnel, that they really don't use a lot, hmm . or they realized how big of a threat she was and kept her happy? That still would not cover why they let the disease spread thru out there ranks or go to other carriers in the swamp place.
    Last edited by golith5; Sep 17 2018 at 10:36 PM.

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    It is in the roots of the very cosmology of Tolkien's world. Even in the Ainulindale, Iluvatar's desire for collaborative symphony and harmony is marred by Melkor's desire for individual prominence, "for he sought therein to to increase the power and glory of the part assigned to himself". The entire power structure of Morgoth(Melkor) and Sauron after him is based on ambition and fear, ever trying to seize greater power, ever fearing someone below you will rise and misplace you, ever fearing one above you recognizes you as a threat too early and takes you down, ever fearful of betrayal by your peers should they see you might gain the position they also strive for. While top captains of Sauron could not engage in open warfare vs each other as that would be too great a distraction to Sauron's plans, there has ever been rivalry and enmity, and I would think the skirmishes like the one at Cirith Ungol were not uncommon. With the numbers at his disposal, Sauron would generally encourage this as a form of natural selection. Slightest spark, quarrel between Shagrat and Gorbag, prompted an all out fight.

    Far as Shelob goes:
    The Two Towers, Book 4, chapter "Shelob's lair"
    And Orcs, they were useful slaves, but he had them in plenty. If now and again Shelob caught them to stay her appetite, she was welcome: he could spare them.
    And sometimes as a man may cast a dainty to his cat, Sauron would send her prisoners that he had no better uses for: he would have them driven to her hole, and a report brought back to him of the play she made.


    Stands to reason there were those at CU garrison whose job it was to do this. Whom Shelob would acknowledge as servants (same as Gollum) and not eat so they could bring back that report.

    And of effect of that servitude on Gollum:
    ...and the darkness of her evil will walked through all the ways of his weariness beside him, cutting him off from light and regret.
    I would say darkness of Shelob affected the Silent One in similar way, and with Sauron's fall, he saw Shelob as a more promising mistress for his own continued survival.

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    And let us not forget what we learn in the Lost Lore of Gorgoroth: Lhingris text. (Warning, spoilers)
    Immigrant from the City of Paragon. We are heroes. This is what we do.

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