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    Steeds of the Tireless mount selection box - back again!

    We already said no 2 months ago. Do we have to say it again? What's going on here?

    Are we supposed to go in a frenzy for people to realize that this isn't wanted? Terribly disappointed.
    If the box contains what I think it does, I'm not renewing my VIP. Shameful though, considering I just bought it.

    Edit: For the uninitiated

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    lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Decrepify View Post
    We already said no 2 months ago. Do we have to say it again? What's going on here?

    Are we supposed to go in a frenzy for people to realize that this isn't wanted? Terribly disappointed.
    If the box contains what I think it does, I'm not renewing my VIP. Shameful though, considering I just bought it.

    Edit: For the uninitiated
    I don't think it is what your thinking they removed that and went back to the drawing board as we players said no to it, and suggested add other old steeds and festival steeds that we can no longer get. these won't be the deeds mounts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pontin_Finnberry View Post
    I don't think it is what your thinking they removed that and went back to the drawing board as we players said no to it, and suggested add other old steeds and festival steeds that we can no longer get. these won't be the deeds mounts.


    Does that description remind you of a certain deed/instance mount you can get?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decrepify View Post


    Does that description remind you of a certain deed/instance mount you can get?
    What is the context of these screenshots?

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    Quote Originally Posted by laughatdo0m View Post
    What is the context of these screenshots?
    Key, I am uncertain of.
    The Steed is probably a rip off of Isengard T2C instance cluster completion (in the box).

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    This makes me not want to keep playing the game. I'd rather go spend money on a subscription for other games, where I know I can get access to all the content like all the other players, without having to spend money on cash grabs like this. It's not like you can get what you want either, it's all RNG. Shameful indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decrepify View Post
    If the box contains what I think it does, I'm not renewing my VIP. Shameful though, considering I just bought it.
    Really?
    This is what you get broken over? And you think your idle threat is going to alter their decision

    Delusion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decrepify View Post
    Key, I am uncertain of.
    The Steed is probably a rip off of Isengard T2C instance cluster completion (in the box).
    But where did you see these tooltips?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TTempest View Post
    This makes me not want to keep playing the game. I'd rather go spend money on a subscription for other games, where I know I can get access to all the content like all the other players, without having to spend money on cash grabs like this. It's not like you can get what you want either, it's all RNG. Shameful indeed.
    *raises hand*
    How in the world is a mount an advantage?

    How does someone having all the bling bling ruin your game?
    Oh that is right... it is you.

    When players learn to enjoy the game presented and to stop trying to compare themselves to others the sooner they will have fun! (<---it is a game, not a life)

    It is an unlevel playing field (in life too), learn to enjoy it at your level and your pace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAWorking View Post
    *raises hand*
    How in the world is a mount an advantage?

    How does someone having all the bling bling ruin your game?
    Oh that is right... it is you.

    When players learn to enjoy the game presented and to stop trying to compare themselves to others the sooner they will have fun! (<---it is a game, not a life)

    It is an unlevel playing field (in life too), learn to enjoy it at your level and your pace.
    Its meant to be fun yes, but most wouldn't like it if its the same mounts in the box as before (most likely not). but as many of us worked to get the mounts, it don't seem right to give it away in a box, as its really the only motivation to do old raid deeds, I've had players say don't care about deeds much and won't do it unless end game. other same way but say they will help and do it cause there's a reward at the end that is a mount. and that's motivation, so players can do older content as well (Besides the FI).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pontin_Finnberry View Post
    ... but as many of us worked to get the mounts, it don't seem right to give it away in a box, ..
    I hear ya, and I get why... I just think it is self-imposed issues.

    I did well in my work career and I worked hard.... my neighbor didnt but he drives a Porsche! He got it because of mommy and daddy.
    Oh wait.... how does that effect me?

    It doesn't.

    I think having dreams and goals are good but when people have to keep things in perspective.... stop ruining your own fun.

    It is like me getting upset over not owning a jet...
    I cant afford one, wont ever afford one... why in the world do I think it is unfair that Joe Blow has one?

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    I highly doubt we'll see raid mounts in there , maybe rip-offs...

    Another lootbox update. How many since mordor launch ? 10 ?

    Imagine all this effort invested elsewhere , we'd have a decent instance cluster for sure.
    Someone might say : ' those are easy cash grabs , no need to develop content ' which is somewhat true ,
    but apart from designing , i am pretty sure they need to take those stuff through lawyers etc.

    This gambling will stop one day and it will end with noise.
    They won't stop it themselves ofc , but someone else will end it for them.
    And it will be a good day ; = )

    I love it when they find ways to make money , since it's good for the game , but this is getting out of hand.
    They invest on lootboxes more than content.
    At least other games stop on fluff , SSG gives gear too... Gear to celebrate summer..... Right....

    Gaming industry invests on gambling lootboxes to make money instead of developing content.
    Gamers spend their time on twitch , watching other people play instead of doing it themselves. The people that stream find ways to get payed for it , instead of getting a real job.
    Games cost the same money for less than half the content , comparing to 10+ years ago.
    Those same games use techniques such as grind to add fake and bloated duration to their tiny games.
    This strangely starts to remind me of another form of entertainment but profanity won't let me say it.

    This is a sad Era. I'll leave it to that.

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    I wouldn't be surprised if somewhere down the line SSG will put raid deed completion scrolls in those loot boxes... I'm sure the team can be creative enough to come up with something that is not relying on throwing money at loot boxes. But loot boxes are a fast and easy way to grab players cash, so they'll continue and sadly the game's reputation suffers from this. Heck, even Monolith deleted the boxes from their game after all the controversy
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    If they were to decide to remove loot boxes, they have to phase it out.
    To just drop a hammer when some players spent real cash on keys would not go over well.

    Hell, players who buy boxes would probably freek out too.

    Not opposed to doing it btw... but for me, it is just a symptom. People scream it is unfair but the reason it is removed is because it is a form of gambling. Has nothing to do with fairness.

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    Some items simply shouldn't be available for cash. I'm not going to waste my sleep over someone getting something from the box that I worked for for a long time - because it's a game we play for fun. That being said, gating specific items behind the harder content/long grind/RNG luck is a vital part of games like LOTRO. It gives you a goal and a sense of achievement.
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    • You don't actually need to engage in the grinds.
    • You don't actually need that gear.
    • You don't actually need to buy anything from the Store.
    • You don't actually need to do the group content.
    • You don't actually need to play endgame.
    • You don't actually need to play alts.
    • You don't actually need to care about what other people buy from the Store.
    • You don't actually need to focus on the fact that others buying things in the Store likely does actually affect what's available in-game, and how it is obtained.
    • You don't actually need to realize that much of what the Store offers would be considered "cheats" in the absence of cash changing hands.
    • Etc.

    I totally get why we see these all the time. And many more. Not only does embracing such thinking allow us to keep plugging away at a game while we turn a blind eye to what's going wrong. But, it has a certain pseudo-intellectual appeal to it. It's seductive to play the contrarian. Especially when doing so can also come along with the opportunity to play aloof, cool, and collected in the face of others who are dismayed or upset.

    But, more and more, I find this sophistry and excuse-making to be reminiscent of people just telling themselves what they want to hear in order to justify their own continuing addiction to a game that they're simply not yet ready to let go.

    In my case, I find myself thinking and even agreeing with a lot of the above. . . until I realize that all I'm really doing is rationalizing. . . I'm just putting on more and more sets of blinders so that I won't have to see what's happening around me. So that I can keep visiting Middle-earth.

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    Exclamation !

    Quote Originally Posted by Decrepify View Post
    This makes me sick. As in, physically nauseated.

    To have the gall renaming the metadeed Steed of Many Colours and adding it back to lootboxes after it was PUBLICLY REMOVED DUE TO OVERWHELMINGLY NEGATIVE MULTI-PAGE FEEDBACK FROM PLAYERBASE :

    Quote Originally Posted by DrOctothorpe View Post
    This mount selection box was originally added in response to player requests for hard or impossible to obtain mounts, however it is clear from the variety of responses that we were off of the mark. Thanks for all the feedback. We will remove this mount-selection box from the prize list and head back to the drawing board.
    That feedback thread has already been conveniently deleted (!!!) but a cached version can still be accessed https://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&ct=clnk&gl=pl Please read it for context before the mods delete even this cache.


    Who do you think you're fooling, SSG? This is the lowest and dirtiest trick I've seen.

    My financial support for this game stops right here. If LotRO is run with such scummy tactics, it is not worthy of its Tolkien IP. This is sick.
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    I'm gonna take a wild guess on this and say that the horse will be noticeably different to the steed of many colours, so that it cannot be mistaken for the metadeed horse. I could be wrong, but I seriously doubt they'd go ahead with adding a horse that looks the same, given the earlier feedback that they got.

    That said, I wish they'd just stop updating lootboxes altogether. Stuff like new and fun steeds should be earned through doing content IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arnenna View Post
    I'm gonna take a wild guess on this and say that the horse will be noticeably different to the steed of many colours, so that it cannot be mistaken for the metadeed horse. I could be wrong, but I seriously doubt they'd go ahead with adding a horse that looks the same, given the earlier feedback that they got.

    That said, I wish they'd just stop updating lootboxes altogether. Stuff like new and fun steeds should be earned through doing content IMO.
    Very well said.
    I suspect the same when it comes to the upcoming mounts.
    However , nothing surprises me anymore , i've already seen worse mess ups than this.

    I have around 35 keys acquired from dailies and box slivers.
    Will use them after patch and see what happens , i should be able to get the mount box.
    I bet other players will do the same , although i wish not many support this by buying store keys. Wishful thinking , i know.
    Either way , we're going to find out pretty fast after downtime ;- d

    In any case , my credit card is ready for the next game in case my suspicions are wrong , i've done the research already.
    It's been cold for Lotro for many months. If only i knew how all this would play back when Mordor launched... T_T

    Lotro lifetime always felt like the best money ever spent , but SSG 'fixed' all that by making me feel every $ i spent since lvl 115 was the exact opposite.
    Quite a feat for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arnenna View Post
    I'm gonna take a wild guess on this and say that the horse will be noticeably different to the steed of many colours, so that it cannot be mistaken for the metadeed horse. I could be wrong, but I seriously doubt they'd go ahead with adding a horse that looks the same, given the earlier feedback that they got.

    That said, I wish they'd just stop updating lootboxes altogether. Stuff like new and fun steeds should be earned through doing content IMO.
    Some will continue to kiss the boot even as it stomps their faces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BotLike View Post
    Very well said.
    I suspect the same when it comes to the upcoming mounts.
    However , nothing surprises me anymore , i've already seen worse mess ups than this.

    I have around 35 keys acquired from dailies and box slivers.
    Will use them after patch and see what happens , i should be able to get the mount box.
    I bet other players will do the same , although i wish not many support this by buying store keys. Wishful thinking , i know.
    Either way , we're going to find out pretty fast after downtime ;- d

    In any case , my credit card is ready for the next game in case my suspicions are wrong , i've done the research already.
    It's been cold for Lotro for many months. If only i knew how all this would play back when Mordor launched... T_T

    Lotro lifetime always felt like the best money ever spent , but SSG 'fixed' all that by making me feel every $ i spent since lvl 115 was the exact opposite.
    Quite a feat for sure.
    Well, please do let us know, because I won't be opening any boxes today or in the near future. Ash cap always in the way, especially at the moment with Thrang challenge. I have a small stock of earned keys, but honestly, I don't bother with the dailies to earn them any longer, because the ash cap is ever looming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herwegur View Post
    Some will continue to kiss the boot even as it stomps their faces.
    My face is fine thanks, because I understand the concept of my own comment and how it was written, without a rage roll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BotLike View Post
    Very well said.
    I suspect the same when it comes to the upcoming mounts.
    However , nothing surprises me anymore , i've already seen worse mess ups than this.
    Hopefully... It's not like the old deed mounts are unobtainable anymore or have been phased out of the game, they are still available to anyone who wishes to get them by getting through the instances. And some of these mounts are for lvl 60/75 instances, a good 40-50 levels below cap...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herwegur View Post
    Some will continue to kiss the boot even as it stomps their faces.
    Some yell at things they have no idea about, based on incomplete or outdated information.

    No one knows whether or not the tireless box actually contains the Steed of Many colours (except for people on Palantir, probably). I very much doubt SSG is truly *that* stupid, or at least that self-destructive. This isn't 2013...

    The patch notes refer to a warsteed-cosmetic set, which neither the current Orthanc steeds offer.

 

 
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