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  1. #151
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    Quote Originally Posted by lwwy1981 View Post
    Sagrog the Bitter Warden T2C
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6pHFajsAUk
    Wow. Anyone know what the cool plugin that is used for the percentage bar under the normal morale/power number bar is for the target? I've never seen that before. I mean, we have M_Vitals but I've never seen anything like this.
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    I will be reopening this thread after deleting dozens of posts. This thread will not be used to discuss the validity of any particular Original Challenger completion, nor will be used to insult any other Kinship or player, regardless of perceived cause. If you are not posting your accomplishment or congratulating someone on getting it, you probably should not be posting in this thread.

    If there is any further discussion regarding acquisition of title drama, every person involved in that discussion will be banned from the forums, and may have in-game disciplinary action taken against them as well. This is your only warning.
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    Ramble On of Elendilmir (Gladden) completed the raid on 30/12 2017 (11:59 PM Servertime)



    Original Challenger was acquired at same time.

    Group:

    Ciriondor / Chaostia (Bliss)
    Vorrtex / Fasin
    Konny / Lucibell
    Algebrah / Duruleth
    Galrichtobor / Gangorion (Possessed)
    Hevornne / Garnetian (Myk -- Raid Leader)

    Fellow Progression Team Members: Elainos, Skeev, Darubi, Xax, Dandor, Devara.

    (Videos can be supplied if needed)
    Last edited by canyouaddcolour; Jan 02 2018 at 06:57 PM.

  4. #154
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    The Bandits raid alliance on Laurelin beat all 3 bosses on T2c! No challenger run done (yet)

    Screenshots:

    Twins (Friday dec 29th):



    Sagróg (Saturday dec 30th):



    Fingar (Wednesday jan 3rd in EU time, servertime still on jan 2nd):



    Completed deed log:



    Thanks to all our members who helped get the job done!
    Last edited by B749; Jan 02 2018 at 09:26 PM.

  5. #155
    Congratulations to all your members Bandits on a job well done!
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    Leader of Innocent raid alliance

  6. #156

    Chinese friends completed all three challenges of Abyss of Mordath Raid

    Chinese friends - Brandywine - The Abyss of Mordath - 3/3 t2 challenge.

    (The timezone in chat windows is UTC+8; But we completed all challenges at noon, Dec 31, 2017, in server time. This thread link (https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...f-Mordath-Raid) also can show that we finished all challenges at Dec 31, 2017. )

    High Priest Dauraga and High Priestess Khokali


    Sagrog the Bitter Warden


    Fingar the Greedy

  7. #157
    Kinship: Raging Raiders

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    Boss-2 T2c
    (This was done on 28th December, deed log with time stamp available if needed)







    Boss-3 T2c (This was done on 1st January, 3:19 PM Servertime - That makes it a full T2C clear for Raging Raiders)

    Last edited by Araphorn; Jan 24 2018 at 03:31 PM.

  8. #158
    Hecki Hecki Pateng (Gwaihir) cleared the 3rd boss CM 1/1/18 04:34 PM servertime > http://www.directupload.net/file/d/4...rgterz_jpg.htm (we are 6hrs ahead of servertime)

    " Sir, we are surrounded! - Excellent, we can attack in any direction!"



  9. #159

    Reiter von Rohan (cleared Boss 2 and 3 T2C)

    Reiter von Rohan (Gwaihir) killed the second Boss T2C and the 3rd Boss T2C (02.01.18 05:45 p.m.)

    Videos coming soon

    Cheers Lidlen
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  10. #160
    Congratz on completion and Original Title. Best of luck to our Evernight friends on completing the final bits of the raid.

    I hope GoodguySmaug is still around to update this mess.
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  11. #161
    Now that we cleared the raid t2c last night, on the whole we can say that we are content with our performance and with the raid itself.
    We did not have much time for testing on BR, so our knowledge of mechanics was limited, actually we only had some clue about 1st boss.
    Nevertheless, we could have cleared it faster, but - just like for many other kinships - the release date during x-max holidays was far from optimal.

    Congratulations to all kins for their progession, be it Original Challengers, Challengers, Full Clears or single Boss Kills!

    Special congratulations to Portal for Worldfirst OC. For me, the manner how this was accomplished was like a demonstration of commitment and dedication towards raiding, especially if one considers that they - afaik as only kin - did it without new raiding gear. The only thing that bothers me a little bit is the timing of your retirement guys. Actually I think that 3-Boss-AoM was not "the suitable Retirement-Raid"...

    Cheers,
    Vala
    Valanduin [Champ] & Valanduir [Warden] & Valanur [RK]
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    Congratulations everyone, especially Hecki Hecki Pateng and Bandits.
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  13. #163
    Yes I am still around. Sorry for being very quiet - it's been some very busy weeks for me lately.


    Re: High Priest Dauraga and High Priestess Khokali (Boss 1) Challenge Mode:
    Some kinships completed Boss 1 T2C by sacrificing the side bosses after killing the main bosses. To me, this doesn't look like a legitimate way to complete challenge mode but unfortunately there is no word from SSG regarding this issue. I hope ThePinion or Cordovan can respond and shed some light on this. Note that I will not remove any kins from the progression list even if SSG confirms this is a bug. Removing kins from the list because of this issue would result in a terrible mess because what do we do with every other kin who can't proof they sacrificed all side-bosses before the main bosses? And it's too late to ask for video proof now. A bug that has been reported but hasn't been fixed or at least commented on by SSG for weeks just isn't worth the inevitable mess and drama it would cause.

    Re: Sagrog the Bitter Warden (Boss 2) / Unseen Spear healing mechanics:
    I do not consider using percentage based healing an exploit. It might be unintentional (since LM spirit pet heal got removed during beta) but it seems to be the only way how this fight can be completed and it looks like every kinship who completed this fight so far either had a Beorning or Minstrel with EB jewellary.

    Re: Faded being accused of exploiting:
    I am aware of the yellow Minstrel stance bug. I certainly do not like seeing it happening but I will not remove them from the list because of "something that is really is minor thing in the grand scheme of things" to quote another forum user. After all, they are only damaging their own reputation by using exploits (and not even trying denying or hiding it). By the way I also think it's sad that you (Faded) ignored my request to not publish videos of boss kills until at least 5 kinships beat the same boss.

    Re: Fashion Police being accused of using anti-afk macros to keep the instance open over night:
    There is no evidence for this claim. Even if there was evidence, it would not make their boss kills illegitimate. It's SSGs resposibilty to detect and punish such behavior if they consider it a ToS violation. However, I'm curious if someone from Fashion Police is willing to explain what this means:
    Quote Originally Posted by Nolvi
    Re: Original Challenger Title discussion:
    Yes, I'd have something to say about that too, but you've all read what Mr. Cordovan wrote, so I'll keep it to myself and I would like to ask everyone to do the same.


    Congratulations everyone who completed the raid and good luck to everyone who's still working on it!

    Happy raiding!
    GoodGuySmaug
    Last edited by GoodGuySmaug; Jan 03 2018 at 09:49 AM.

  14. #164
    Quote Originally Posted by GoodGuySmaug View Post
    Yes I am still around. Sorry for being very quiet - it's been some very busy weeks for me lately.


    Re: High Priest Dauraga and High Priestess Khokali (Boss 1) Challenge Mode:
    Some kinhips completed Boss 1 T2C by sacrificing the side bosses after killing the main bosses. To me, this doesn't look like a legitimate way to complete challenge mode but unfortunately there is no word from SSG regarding this issue. I hope ThePinion or Cordovan can respond and shed some light on this. Note that I will not remove any kins from the progression list even if SSG confirms this is a bug. Removing kins from the list because of this issue would result in a terrible mess because what do we do with every other kin who can't proof they sacrificed all side-bosses before the main bosses? And it's too late to ask for video proof now. A bug that has been reported but hasn't been fixed or at least commented on by SSG for weeks just isn't worth the inevitable mess and drama it would cause.

    Re: Sagrog the Bitter Warden (Boss 2) / Unseen Spear healing mechanics:
    I do not consider using percentage based healing an exploit. It might be unintentional (since LM spirit pet heal got removed during beta) but it seems to be the only way how this fight can be completed and it looks like every kinship who completed this fight so far either had a Beorning or Minstrel with EB jewellary.

    Re: Faded being accused of exploiting:
    I am aware of the yellow Minstrel stance bug. I certainly do not like seeing it happening but I will not remove them from the list because of "something that is really is minor thing in the grand scheme of things" to quote another forum user. After all, they are only damaging their own reputation by using exploits (and not even trying denying or hiding it). By the way I also think it's sad that you (Faded) ignored my request to not publish videos of boss kills until at least 5 kinships beat the same boss.

    Re: Fashion Police being accused of using anti-afk macros to keep the instance open over night:
    There is no evidence for this claim. Even if there was evidence, it would not make their boss kills illegitimate. It's SSGs resposibilty to detect and punish such behavior if they consider it a ToS violation. However, I'm curious if someone from Fashion Police is willing to explain what this means:


    Re: Original Challenger Title discussion:
    Yes, I'd have something to say about that too, but you've all read what Mr. Cordovan wrote, so I'll keep it to myself and I would like to ask everyone to do the same.


    Congratulations everyone who completed the raid and good luck to everyone who's still working on it!

    Happy raiding!
    GoodGuySmaug
    Thx for sticking around and the work you've been putting into this thread so far.
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    I dont see the % healing a bug tbh.

    I thought it was a try to makes beor viable in raid tho.

    if we wanna analyze it:

    You can put 2 minis alway on miniboss for a total of 30k HPS (probably is less anyways).

    That means 1200 seconds to refull him...or 20mins of full heals on the miniboss with a ton of adds on the off tank.

    Well if that was the intended way to do it... Uo t2c, you are a #####.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rialtan View Post
    I dont see the % healing a bug tbh.

    I thought it was a try to makes beor viable in raid tho.

    if we wanna analyze it:

    You can put 2 minis alway on miniboss for a total of 30k HPS (probably is less anyways).

    That means 1200 seconds to refull him...or 20mins of full heals on the miniboss with a ton of adds on the off tank.

    Well if that was the intended way to do it... Uo t2c, you are a #####.

    I'll be interested to see any kin post a video run of them not using BB set or a Beorn.
    On a run the kin I run with did, me and another mini only in tried two attempts.

    We tried focusing on the add together, but very shortly the tanks ended up dying for non focus'd heals. Think we barely made 3 minutes.

    Another try I sneakily tried solo healing the add. Over about 7/8 minutes I got him to maybe 8-9 million before the tanks died.

    I'm sure with a third mini we could have a better attempt but I doubt we'll be the kin to test this. :P
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    Sagrog T2C - Raiders Beneath the Shadow - Arkenstone

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vC1XxvZ2wlU



    The mini recording didnt get the challenge quest when we entered the arena but challenge is acquired evident of the chests at the end of the video. Our loremaster took a screenshot though to really prove we did it and at what time, both are shared above. Completion 12/31 around 12:20am. (in description of video on youtube)

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    Muath, Illy & Friends- Landroval
    Boss 2 T2

    Boss 3 T2
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    Aegean Eagles, Evernight (EU).
    Sagrog tier 2 challenge.
    Footage date: 29/12/2017.



    Since people seem to be talking openly about tactics here are our two cents:

    a) Twins challenge doesn't seem to be working according to its respective quest log information. It is indeed possible to kill the mini bosses after the main ones, which by then would not have harnessed anything, without failing challenge. Our first challenge completion was performed this way accidentally. We tried nuking the bosses to complete the fight on tier 2 and the first mini boss we went on decided to suicide before the killing blow. We then took our time with the last two. We suppose this is not intended behavior and therefore decided to submit a bug report accordingly, instead of looking up others' posts on forums and pointing fingers. Both before and after challenge completion we've been trying to battle the fight legitimately. However, killing everything in 9 minutes without optimally geared DPS classes seems quite unlikely (videos of kinships legitimately completing challenge prove that). But in order to get optimally geared DPS classes one has to complete tier 2 deed, hence either go for tier 2 and deliberately fail challenge or use this unintended(?) mechanic.

    To sum things up, intentionally wiping for the shake of fair play and doing developer(s)' jobs for them while officials remain silent seems like an overstep, even for somebody who wants to play clean and cares.

    By the way, there's another major bug in the fight that we spotted but did not take advantage of. Spider mini boss gets stuck behind a wall upon spawn and doesn't enter anti-exploit mode. It will stay there until a player who is in its line of sight aggro'es it and drives it to the main room. Now combine these two designing flaws with yellow stance minstrels exploiting trait trees and using macros (against both of which we have always been firmly against) and you get yourself a hell of a ''challenge''.

    b) Morale percentage healing seems essential for boss 2. So yes, one has to take along either a couple of minstrels (at least) with BB jewelry or a beorning, whose healing makes the npc business a faceroll really. The fact it is so much easier to fully heal the npc on the beorning and only on the beorning makes it pretty obvious that the devs meant for this to happen. We are against that, but that is a different discussion.
    Last edited by Demosthenes11; Jan 04 2018 at 02:17 AM.
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  21. #171
    Quote Originally Posted by Demosthenes11 View Post
    a) Twins challenge doesn't seem to be working according to its respective quest log information. It is indeed possible to kill the mini bosses after the main ones, which by then would not have harnessed anything, without failing challenge. Our first challenge completion was performed this way accidentally. We tried nuking the bosses to complete the fight on tier 2 and the first mini boss we went on decided to suicide before the killing blow. We then took our time with the last two. We suppose this is not intended behavior and therefore decided to submit a bug report accordingly, instead of looking up others' posts on forums and pointing fingers. Both before and after challenge completion we've been trying to battle the fight legitimately. However, killing everything in 9 minutes without optimally geared DPS classes seems quite unlikely (videos of kinships legitimately completing challenge prove that). But in order to get optimally geared DPS classes one has to complete tier 2 deed, hence either go for tier 2 and deliberately fail challenge or use this unintended(?) mechanic.

    To sum things up, intentionally wiping for the shake of fair play and doing developer(s)' jobs for them while officials remain silent seems like an overstep, even for somebody who wants to play clean and cares.
    Well, atleast you openly admitted, but I doubt there are much kinships that performed the fight this way. I can easily say 9 minutes is total doable, even without 'perfect' gear. There were quite a few kins who did 1st boss on T2C in a matter of days, so I doubt they had the gear for it. You might be overlooking something yourself in that fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Demosthenes11 View Post
    By the way, there's another major bug in the fight that we spotted but did not take advantage of. Spider mini boss gets stuck behind a wall upon spawn and doesn't enter anti-exploit mode. It will stay there until a player who is in its line of sight aggro'es it and drives it to the main room. Now combine these two designing flaws with yellow stance minstrels exploiting trait trees and using macros (against both of which we have always been firmly against) and you get yourself a hell of a ''challenge''.
    Spider bug is also indeed unintentional. However as said before, I doubt many kinships bothered with this. The fight is entirely doable without it. Saying yellow stance minstrels exploiting trait trees is a 'thing', is quite entertaining. The difference with or without is simply not even worthy of discussing. Although I agree, it should be avoided. Macro?? Please enlighten me on this, cuz I really hope you are joking.

    Quote Originally Posted by Demosthenes11 View Post
    b) Morale percentage healing seems essential for boss 2. So yes, one has to take along either a couple of minstrels (at least) with BB jewelry or a beorning, whose healing makes the npc business a faceroll really. The fact it is so much easier to fully heal the npc on the beorning and only on the beorning makes it pretty obvious that the devs meant for this to happen. We are against that, but that is a different discussion.
    Well, on the other part, it's doable with mini. I agree with the fact this fight is quite one-dimensional, but I don't find it a bad option to give beorning some love. It's not that you have to use it. I don't agree on the faceroll part. I see many kinships not completing this so easily yet.

    Good luck with the last boss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Remcosajax View Post
    Well, atleast you openly admitted, but I doubt there are much kinships that performed the fight this way. I can easily say 9 minutes is total doable, even without 'perfect' gear. There were quite a few kins who did 1st boss on T2C in a matter of days, so I doubt they had the gear for it. You might be overlooking something yourself in that fight.



    Spider bug is also indeed unintentional. However as said before, I doubt many kinships bothered with this. The fight is entirely doable without it. Saying yellow stance minstrels exploiting trait trees is a 'thing', is quite entertaining. The difference with or without is simply not even worthy of discussing. Although I agree, it should be avoided. Macro?? Please enlighten me on this, cuz I really hope you are joking.



    Well, on the other part, it's doable with mini. I agree with the fact this fight is quite one-dimensional, but I don't find it a bad option to give beorning some love. It's not that you have to use it. I don't agree on the faceroll part. I see many kinships not completing this so easily yet.

    Good luck with the last boss.
    I agree on everything. Someone called the exploit on 1st boss simply cause they have no idea about inc healing debuff usage. Apart that thing on keeping minibosses at last, that fight is bugged in many ways. Sometimes i seen main boss getting no heals at all for no reason (maybe is something about open exploit and trip that activate Fellowship manouvre)

    Tale of respite thing is clearly a glitch/exploit. i will never change my opinion about that. it doesnt changes the fight, ok...devs havent fixed it after several years, ok...but is still a glitch. I mean, if it doesnt changes the fight i dont see why using it :P
    Cheers Morondomir, cya in game.
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  23. #173
    Quote Originally Posted by Remcosajax View Post
    Saying yellow stance minstrels exploiting trait trees is a 'thing', is quite entertaining. The difference with or without is simply not even worthy of discussing. Although I agree, it should be avoided.
    It should be avoided? But it is okay, if your kin is using it?

  24. #174
    Oddisney? World 4th? What is this raid? A 12 man turtle?
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    Triggering a bug on purpose like minstrel tale in blue line is simply exploiting. Nothing hard to make it work and 5% inc heal to whole fellowship is 5% inc heal, especially nowadays when it's not worth slotting inc heal essences due to huge rating needed.
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