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    Question Dear Developers - Will You At SSG Finally Remove Lootboxes Now With Belgian Commission Ruling It Gambling ???

    So with this development on lootboxes now being deemed as Lootboxes even in the highest instance of Belgium Legal Courts, possibly all of EU to follow, will SSG now finally remove Lootboxes and make finally listen to all the players interesting suggestions on other methods that we are acctually willing to pay to support the game we Luv ???

    It's a shame that it seems that the view is us players versus You the game company. I don't think any of us that plays are really against You SSG or the game. We wouldn't be here if we were. You seem to think we don't want to pay or buy anything and You need to lure us or bend our arms to force us to the store with taking away almost all ways to earn things in game and put them in lootboxes so we buy a gazillion keys. That is not the case. At least some of us are happy to support You, sometimes buy things in store when we acctually see something we like and want. However with only tons of mostly old skins/cosmetics being there, rarely any new mounts (or mount cosmetics). Last I think was that imo ugly battle-worn version of some armour. Basically just some rusty shade on what was in-game already. Of course we don't spend as much. All we get are lootboxes with ash and things that should be able to be earned in-game. We are willing to pay to play but not to pay to gamble (think I stole that line from some post, as it was so good).

    Link: PC Gamer: Belgium says loot boxes are gambling, wants them banned in Europe

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    I think I've read suggestion on anything from Crafting material storage space (besides bank vaults). Like where crafting materials are stored and if You craft the game can withdraw it directly from there. No more need to run back and forth to the vault to grab the crafting material You need. Cosmetics we have seen on NPCs as we've played The Epic Quest Line as well as some seen on NPCs in-game. Making the exclusive Deluxe/Legendar/Special Editions cosmetics available in store, possibly make the Deluxe/Legendar/Special Editions themselves avalaible to be bought for money (not lp) as well (minus just the pre-order bonuses). Enhance sub/VIP status to make it more enticing for people to ascctually sub. Add more mounts (well not flying ones) and decorations. Both in-game so people enjoy the game and sub but also some option to buy directly in store rather than gamble to hope to get something in a lootbox after trying 100 times and give up. Plenty of other suggestions out there. Lootboxes is probably the worst and most shady way possible to try and earn a revenue, as it's gambling. In game lootboxes case even without any forms of regulations or regular outside controls of the system and % reward chances. Especially in a game that has a rating that allows minors to play it.

    A mix of thing being avalable in-game so it's always feels rewardring to acctually play the game and some items in store to be bought specifically but not by random gambling from lootboxes.

    Quote Originally Posted by PCGamer, By Andy Chalk
    The Minister of Justice says the mix of gaming and gambling is "dangerous."

    Last week, Belgium's Gaming Commission announced that it had launched an investigation into whether the loot boxes available for purchase in games like Overwatch and Star Wars Battlefront 2 constitute a form of gambling. Today, VTM News reported that the ruling is in, and the answer is yes.

    The Google translation is a little sloppy, as usual, but the message is clear enough. "The mixing of money and addiction is gambling," the Gaming Commission declared. Belgium's Minister of Justice Koen Geens also weighed in, saying, "Mixing gambling and gaming, especially at a young age, is dangerous for the mental health of the child."

    Geens, according to the report, wants to ban in-game purchases outright (correction: if you don't know exactly what you're purchasing), and not just in Belgium: He said the process will take time, "because we have to go to Europe. We will certainly try to ban it."

    And now, things will start to get interesting. I've reached out to the Gaming Commission for more information, and will update if I receive a reply.
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    All gaming companies with lootboxes will have them milked for as long as possible until they're out right banned. Then they'll find another way to milk people for cash in a similar manner until that's banned. The cycle doesn't end, friend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starkorm View Post
    All gaming companies with lootboxes will have them milked for as long as possible until they're out right banned. Then they'll find another way to milk people for cash in a similar manner until that's banned. The cycle doesn't end, friend.
    That's the really sad part. That it has come to this. I'm not for government regulations in general or censorship but obviously some corporations (not ssg in particular here) can't seem to control or regulate themselves. So in the end people have had to call upon the government to step in. It's a shame really. That it couldn't be enough with paying for expansions, dlcs, some micro-transactions and things but they have to always take it one step further, push it just a bit more, more and more until we ended up with paying for gambling with lootboxes and people are so fed up that they revolt. EA, Ubisoft, Activision etc, acts like wolves let lose in a flock of sheeps and just tear it all to pieces. Want more and more. Go frantic with greed. Why couldn't they just stop before it came to this ???
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    Oh and lets not forget that The Dutch/Netherlands are also investigating Lootboxes as Gambling. The Belgians have now ruled but hopefully Netherlands will follow with the same conclusion and the ball will start rolling and more countries will like to appear to be on the side of "good" as in protecting it's citizens in general and minors in particular from online gambling with lootboxes.

    Link: The Telegraph - Belgian and Dutch authorities are investigating loot boxes in video games

    Quote Originally Posted by The Telegraph, By Hannah Dwan, 17 Sep, 2017
    Similarly, the Dutch Gaming Authority are investigating loot boxes in games as a whole, as reported by NU.nl.
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    Now a US state, Hawaii, joins in too.

    Gamespot - US State Representative Says Star Wars Battlefront 2's Loot Boxes Are "Predatory"

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    "This game is a Star Wars themed online casino."
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    United States politicians representing the state of Hawaii have condemned the use of loot boxes in Star Wars Battlefront II, describing it as a "predatory practice" that can take advantage of vulnerable people. In a press conference, state representative Chris Lee said he was taking action in order to "ensure future protections for kids, youth, and everyone [else]."

    "This game is a Star Wars-themed online casino designed to lure kids into spending money. It's a trap," he said. "This is something we need to address to ensure that particularly kids who are underage, who are not psychologically and emotionally mature enough to gamble--which is why gambling is prohibited under [the age of] 21--are protected from being trapped into these cycles which have compelled many folks to spend thousands of dollars in gaming fees online."

    Star Wars Battlefront II allows players to purchase loot boxes that contain rewards capable of impacting gameplay. It's also possible to unlock some of the Star Wars franchises most iconic characters quicker by purchasing these. Crucially, the rewards contained in the boxes are randomised, leading many to draw comparisons to gambling.

    According to Lee, legislation that could change the way games with loot boxes are sold is being looked at in Hawaii and other states.

    "We're looking at legislation this coming year which could prohibit sale of these games to folks who are underage in order to protect these families, as well as prohibiting different kinds of mechanisms in those games," he explained. "We've been talking with several other states as well [and] legislators there are looking at the same thing. I think this is an appropriate time to make sure these issues are addressed before this becomes the norm for every new game."
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    He added: "These kinds of loot boxes and microtransactions are explicitly designed to prey upon and exploit human psychology in the same way casino games are so designed. This is especially true for young adults who child psychologists and other experts explain are particularly vulnerable. These exploitive mechanisms and the deceptive marketing promoting them have no place in games being marketed to minors, and perhaps no place in games at all."
    The articles is alot longer than that. Follow the link above for all of it.

    Here is also a video of some of highlights of the Hawaiian official press conference/announcement:

    YouTube - Highlights of the EA predatory behavior announcement

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    He added: "These kinds of loot boxes and microtransactions are explicitly designed to prey upon and exploit human psychology in the same way casino games are so designed. This is especially true for young adults who child psychologists and other experts explain are particularly vulnerable. These exploitive mechanisms and the deceptive marketing promoting them have no place in games being marketed to minors, and perhaps no place in games at all."
    I definitely agree with this. Lootboxes are extremely predatory.

    At the end of the day these are the kinds of actions that need to be taken to prevent lootboxes taking over the industry -- games that use lootboxes are simply doing their fiduciary responsibility. Regulating gaming companies in regards to lootboxes is the only way to prevent them from continuing to be such a major part of gaming.

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    As someone who do not want to be misleading I'd like to correct the information I first cited to that Belgium has NOT yet ruled on lootboxes being gambling. The investigation is underway as before but it seems the "ruling" part was due to Google translate mistake so that all non Belgian sites reported it as a done case. However The Belgian Minister of Justice Koen Geens did say (according to new translations):

    Quote Originally Posted by The Belgian Minister of Justice Koen Geens
    The mixture of money and addiction is gambling, mixing gambling and gaming, especially at a young age, is dangerous for the mental health of the child,
    He also stated (according to new translations):

    Quote Originally Posted by The Belgian Minister of Justice Koen Geens
    We will cerainly try to ban it.
    He also said that he would like to ban any type of in-game purchases, where the players don't know what they are getting, from the entirety of Europe. In other words games of chance with gambling and lootboxes.

    That statement was in relations to the ongoing investigation, NOT in relations to a final verdict.

    So the investigation is still ongoing and the intent is clear, the acctual final "ruling" is not in yet however. I think it's important to correct any flawed information.

    The wrongful translation using Google Translate was the reason that made basically all English speaking news outlet to report this yesterday as a final ruling.

    However now The Australian province of Victoria seems to have responded:

    Quote Originally Posted by Pretty Good Gaming
    Victorias Gambling Regulators: Lootboxes constitute gambling.
    A reddit user posted their correspondance with "The Victorian Commission For Gambling And Liquor Regulation". So unless they are lying here is a sum up of what was written in a reply from them:

    Quote Originally Posted by The Victorian Commission For Gambling And Liquor Regulation
    Your research and suppositions on the matter are correct; what occurs with "loot boxes" does constitute gambling by the definition of the Victorian Legislation.

    Unfortionetly where the complexity arises is in jurisdiction and our powers to investigate.
    So if they can take action however is in debate due to jurisdiction law. Still they are now aware and woken up to the issue.

    France seems to wake up too:

    The French consumer association UFC-Que Choisir also position itself, asking that the boxes of loot be considered as a game of chance, by sending a letter to the French Online Gaming Regulatory Authority (Arjel).
    Also the Hawaiian press conference yesterday. No translation errors there. So the balls are still rolling.

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    Pretty Good Gaming - EVERYONE WAIT! Belgium HAS NOT declared Loot Boxes gambling!

    Sid Alpha - Belgium did NOT classify Star Wars Battlefront 2 EA as gambling but Australia's state Victoria did
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    Remove from the store, not the game right?
    And so says Hawaii...a state with a lottery. But would you expect any less than total hypocrisy from the likes of states like Hawaii? But it's OK folks, the proceeds from that go to fund the public disaster education system, so it's alright.
    And Belgium...one tiny back-bencher country shouldn't be able to dictate the rules for the rest of the world, whether you agree or not. That's like when one outraged busy-body is offended by a Christmas display in town, or a cross by the highway, so it has to be removed.
    I'm sure they could implement a way to block sales of certain items to certain states or countries that ban them. People could lie about their location of course, but ISPs can be traced.
    I wonder if they have seen SWTOR's store, lottery boxes galore in there.
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    A point all of you seem to be missing is that SSG has a very viable defense that their lootboxes aren't gambling. Because they offer the Black Steel Keys as rewards for the Allegiance Dailies, there is no purchase required to open the lootboxes. Hence we have no stake or risk of losing something of value on the outcome of what the boxes contain, which is the definition of gambling. In fact, SSG can further argue that we can even buy keys from the store at no monetary cost. By deeding F2P areas you can easily earn enough LP to purchase some keys, at no cost to you in real money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celebrawn View Post
    Remove from the store, not the game right?
    And so says Hawaii...a state with a lottery. But would you expect any less than total hypocrisy from the likes of states like Hawaii? But it's OK folks, the proceeds from that go to fund the public disaster education system, so it's alright.
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    Hawaii’s criminal code is clear: participating in any gambling is a misdemeanor while promoting gambling can be a class C felony. It's not illegal for Hawaii residents to purchase tickets for out-of-state lotteries, however the sale of lottery tickets from other states is prohibited within state lines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CDingler View Post
    A point all of you seem to be missing is that SSG has a very viable defense that their lootboxes aren't gambling. Because they offer the Black Steel Keys as rewards for the Allegiance Dailies, there is no purchase required to open the lootboxes. Hence we have no stake or risk of losing something of value on the outcome of what the boxes contain, which is the definition of gambling. In fact, SSG can further argue that we can even buy keys from the store at no monetary cost. By deeding F2P areas you can easily earn enough LP to purchase some keys, at no cost to you in real money.
    Governments want their taxes/control, and it is only a matter of time before they regulate/tax gambling within gaming, they'll pass new laws/regulations and current excuses/defenses based on current laws/regulations won't cut it anymore, and depending on the country, the new laws can be made retroactive...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord.Funk View Post
    You seem to think we don't want to pay or buy anything and You need to lure us or bend our arms to force us to the store with taking away almost all ways to earn things in game and put them in lootboxes so we buy a gazillion keys. That is not the case.
    I think it is! If that were not the case, they would not exist.

    So i think, they get a lot of money out of the #### Gorgoroth boxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDingler View Post
    A point all of you seem to be missing is that SSG has a very viable defense that their lootboxes aren't gambling. Because they offer the Black Steel Keys as rewards for the Allegiance Dailies, there is no purchase required to open the lootboxes. Hence we have no stake or risk of losing something of value on the outcome of what the boxes contain, which is the definition of gambling. In fact, SSG can further argue that we can even buy keys from the store at no monetary cost. By deeding F2P areas you can easily earn enough LP to purchase some keys, at no cost to you in real money.
    there are many points being overlooked/ignored/whatever with this like the fact that gambling means you have a very large chance to get nothing from your purchase and with lootboxes there is a 0% chance you will get nothing...therefore I don't see the gambling connection. The reward is chance based otherwise known as RNG. But wait...if it is RNG that makes it gambling then literally every thing we do in this game is a gamble...RNG is the underlying AI for all computer games. And ofc...everyone seems to think they will only ban the Gorgoroth lootboxes...they will ban the bronze lootboxes as well...there is o difference except the loot table accessed by RNG between them.

    Very simple solution...if you don't want end game gear from a lootbox...don't buy/use a lootbox key.

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    It's worth noting that SSG is based in MA, which has a pretty solid track record when it comes to processing online gambling. I'm actually looking into whether an article about SSG's gambling system might be received more broadly by non-gamers in MA, as well as notifying the MA attorney general (who has prosecuted online sports gambling). Might be interesting to see what comes of it, because IMO the LOTRO system is actually one of the worst. I think the majority of endgame players have gone through upwards of 150 lootboxes, and their gear treadmill is absolutely designed to be predatory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lordthebruce View Post
    there are many points being overlooked/ignored/whatever with this like the fact that gambling means you have a very large chance to get nothing from your purchase and with lootboxes there is a 0% chance you will get nothing...therefore I don't see the gambling connection. The reward is chance based otherwise known as RNG. But wait...if it is RNG that makes it gambling then literally every thing we do in this game is a gamble...RNG is the underlying AI for all computer games. And ofc...everyone seems to think they will only ban the Gorgoroth lootboxes...they will ban the bronze lootboxes as well...there is o difference except the loot table accessed by RNG between them.

    Very simple solution...if you don't want end game gear from a lootbox...don't buy/use a lootbox key.

    Keep politicians OUT!!!
    Um. No. The crates people are talking about will always give you *something*, but the point is they don't give you what you want a large percent of the time. The same thing is true with lootboxes. If you're lucky, you gear quickly. If you're unlucky, you've dropped RL money on upwards of 300 lootboxes and still don't have a full set of pre-raid gear.

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    I hope they do remove thhe lootboxes and put all their contents in the store for extravagant prices.
    Then we'll see the same people crying about the boxes crying over how much they'd have to spend to buy their progress from the store.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EB64 View Post
    I hope they do remove thhe lootboxes and put all their contents in the store for extravagant prices.
    Then we'll see the same people crying about the boxes crying over how much they'd have to spend to buy their progress from the store.
    smdh
    Mmm because of course those are the only two options for a company that cares about it's customers long-term. Either trick You with lootboxes/gambling, so You end up paying waaay too much and have to gamble to hope to get what You want (and you still might not get it), or charge redicolously over the top prices (that was sarcasm btw). Always only two extremes to chose from right ???

    They could do what some games do and list items for reasonable prices. Remove lootboxes, put items in store. You pay a reasonable price and recieve said item. As a business You might earn less per items but instead increase quantity and thus earn more. Rememeber these are virtual products so not much physical distribution or production required once the model is created. No gambling. Full transparency. Reasonable prices. That is how an honest business transaction is done. For example like GW2 did with mounts when community complained. Instead of charging $5 per lootbox/gambling try, they changed it to buy a mount straight up in store for $20. With the lootboxes it was gambling and You could end up spending alot more than $20 and still not get the mount You wanted.
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    Or you could skip spending real money to open the loot boxes and you wouldn't be complaining about spending so much money.

    People complain there's "nothing to do" but then turn around and pay real money as a shortcut to get stuff they could spend time getting by other means.

    But no, by all means whine about lootboxes being "gambling" and demand they do away with them so you can buy your way to endgame much quicker.
    It's still p2w either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EB64 View Post
    Or you could skip spending real money to open the loot boxes and you wouldn't be complaining about spending so much money.

    People complain there's "nothing to do" but then turn around and pay real money as a shortcut to get stuff they could spend time getting by other means.

    But no, by all means whine about lootboxes being "gambling" and demand they do away with them so you can buy your way to endgame much quicker.
    It's still p2w either way.
    ....Or they could have viable means of gearing through gameplay.

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    As long as keys can be obtained without paying

    its not gambling. You are merely choosing to pay for an advantage

    you are not paying for what is in the lootbox, you are paying for the key

    small but important difference

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flagron View Post
    As long as keys can be obtained without paying

    its not gambling. You are merely choosing to pay for an advantage

    you are not paying for what is in the lootbox, you are paying for the key

    small but important difference
    Those arguments have been shot down hundreds if not thousands of times in various game forums, in articles and on YouTube but let me repeat it here too.

    Do You think that just because a casino gives out 1 free marker a day it will not be considered gambling or operate under a gambling license with regular controls to check so the system isn't rigged, an age restriction etc ???

    You don't acctually pay directly for the spin of the wheel in a casino either. You pay for the chips that You use to get a spin on the wheel or participate in black jack etc. Do You think that will releasde them from a gambling license and as I said above the regulations that follows with it ???

    The answer to all that is NO. It is still considered gambling.

    Let me go forehand and reply to the next argument (I often see) that also holds no ground.

    "Well You get something out of every lootbox so it's not gambling".

    Well do You think if a Casino gives every gambler a toothpick on every spin on the roulette would make them not be considered gambling ??? Again the reply is NO, it would still need a gambling license and an age restriction, as well as regular controls to protect the customers from a rigged system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RANA01340 View Post
    ....Or they could have viable means of gearing through gameplay.

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    Indeed that would be the best. I was merely replying to how to conduct transactions. I realize that any game needs a revenue but that it should be done with transparency and like any normal store purchase in real life. Not hidden behind some shady gambling mechanic with a system where they don't even publish a list of what the various % chance to win item X or Y is. No regular controls to check so the system is not rigged etc. For all we know the code could be written to even lower the chance for a heavy armour class to get a heavy armour gear piece. The chance could be 0.01% for a certain item etc. It's why the list is publised on the back of lottery tickets for example. The customer needs to know what he is acctually paying or betting on. Just like You get a list of the ingredients on food and how many grams or cl per part there is in it. Full disclosure to the customers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EB64 View Post
    Or you could skip spending real money to open the loot boxes and you wouldn't be complaining about spending so much money.

    People complain there's "nothing to do" but then turn around and pay real money as a shortcut to get stuff they could spend time getting by other means.

    But no, by all means whine about lootboxes being "gambling" and demand they do away with them so you can buy your way to endgame much quicker.
    It's still p2w either way.
    You're missing the whole picture. You don't connect the dots. By having lootboxes in games, it is incentive to the company to put more and more in them, remove more and more items from various in-game rewards. To make gameplay so tideous and prolonged to get people to buy the keys. It affects game design. That on top of being a gambling system aimed at kids as well. A generation that might grow up being addicted to gambling addictive behaviour. Games used to be about playing the game. Now it has turned into gambling and not gaming. There are plenty of parents sharing this hobby with their kids (me included). That didn't use to be an issue. As we play together I can control the amount of time he plays and make sure he does other things too, as well as just having fun together. Now with the gambling included I have to control that too meanwhile he gets pushed more and more through content designed to encourage him to buy keys as the content becomes more and more tideous as a result. I say no and either take that conflict or we stop playing all together. It's an aspect in games that never excisted in the past. Games were games, not disguised Casinos. I don't bring my kid into a Casino irl. Not that I go to Casinos myself either irl.
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