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    Why is Grond in Anglach

    Just curious. Did they make more than one? Is there a production line of them somewhere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BangoTwinkletoes View Post
    Just curious. Did they make more than one? Is there a production line of them somewhere?
    These are replicas of the Original Grond Hammer of the Underworld or judging by the massive production force and sheer size of Mighty Anglach they indeed built multiple Gronds.

    Or devs were lazy replicating Grond totally forgetting about true Grond which was destroyed in Battle of Pelennor Fields,but highly unlikely.

    Udun is a massive powerhouse of Mordor, its not a surprise they have had everything in their disposal to construct several Gronds. Perhaps Lord of Mordor wanted to launch another assault oto Minas,but we all know what happened ultimately in very end. Sauron perished and these beasts remained here.

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    The one found in Osgiliath.

    They are entirely same. Height,looks, Wolf's heard,everything.

    Don't be fooled by Angle. They are same, Textures and contrast are not.

    So I came to final conclusion after a bit of research These are Replicas of the Original Hammer of the Underworld, possibly slightly weaker, but still immensely powerful,built in Anglach ,but maybe not by smiths of Barad Dur though. They said It was built in Mordor. It wasn't specified exactly where. The Original was the most powerful with more destructive power and spells.


    Lore info;
    Grond was forged in Mordor by Smithies of Barad-dûr during the final years of the Third Age, specifically for use by the army besieging the city of Minas Tirith in Gondor. It shared its name, in homage, with the "Hammer of the Underworld," a great mace wielded by Morgoth, Sauron's former master..

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    But and for argument's sake let's discount for now the possibility that the devs got too carried away with the cut and paste, why would Mordor build more than one, but only take one with them to lay siege to Minas Tirith? One can take the view that two or even three may be needed to batter down the gates in which case they would all be taken to the siege. Just seems odd that from a lore & story perspective, other "Gronds" or Grond lookalikes would be found in Mordor workshops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BangoTwinkletoes View Post
    But and for argument's sake let's discount for now the possibility that the devs got too carried away with the cut and paste, why would Mordor build more than one, but only take one with them to lay siege to Minas Tirith? One can take the view that two or even three may be needed to batter down the gates in which case they would all be taken to the siege. Just seems odd that from a lore & story perspective, other "Gronds" or Grond lookalikes would be found in Mordor workshops.
    Alright, So be it. There is always a need to build more than one. Sauron was an absolute master of cunning,deception,manipulation and a Master Smith. He had few of them in reserve. Sauron knew exactly what he was doing. He had eons of experience, not only Combat experience, but he knew mentality of his foes, Along with that A Strategic and Tactical mastermind.Sauron had virtually no weaknesses except his lust for One Ring which allowed Hobbits to enter Mordor. He was distracted. Only the most unexpected scenarios and completely insane, unimaginable outcomes could have fooled him. He was the powerful of Maiar if it wasn't for 2 little Hobbits, everyone would had perished in Battle of the Black Gate and then another Grond would pop up from Anglach Demolishing something els Free peoples were outtnumbered 10:1 at least.

    Look at from this perspective; What if Grond spells failed? What if the Original Grond never succeeded to Minas ,What if Free peoples somehow disabled it? There were all options in the table. Sauron learned from the best, his former master Morgroth,Aue and he himself have had incredible amount of experience as Battle-Master and absolute Commander of all forces.

    Its wasn't wise to take all of 3 or more. Battle of Pelennor fields was lost,Sauron probably even predicted that, and kept few of them in reserve.

    It doesn't look odd at all. It makes perfect sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninky View Post
    Alright, So be it. There is always a need to build more than one. Sauron was an absolute master of cunning,deception,manipulation and a Master Smith. He had few of them in reserve. Sauron knew exactly what he was doing. He had eons of experience, not only Combat experience, but he knew mentality of his foes, Along with that A Strategic and Tactical mastermind.Sauron had virtually no weaknesses except his lust for One Ring which allowed Hobbits to enter Mordor. He was distracted. Only the most unexpected scenarios and completely insane, unimaginable outcomes could have fooled him. He was the powerful of Maiar if it wasn't for 2 little Hobbits, everyone would had perished in Battle of the Black Gate and then another Grond would pop up from Anglach Demolishing something els Free peoples were outtnumbered 10:1 at least.

    Look at from this perspective; What if Grond spells failed? What if the Original Grond never succeeded to Minas ,What if Free peoples somehow disabled it? There were all options in the table. Sauron learned from the best, his former master Morgroth,Aue and he himself have had incredible amount of experience as Battle-Master and absolute Commander of all forces.

    Its wasn't wise to take all of 3 or more. Battle of Pelennor fields was lost,Sauron probably even predicted that, and kept few of them in reserve.

    It doesn't look odd at all. It makes perfect sense.
    I have no issues at all with them building more than one "Grond". But if Sauron did commission several of them, then surely he would have taken them all to the Siege. Think about the time it would have taken to get Grond #2 from Anglach onto the Pelennor Fields. If #1 failed then #2 would be needed ready to go in order to finish the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BangoTwinkletoes View Post
    I have no issues at all with them building more than one "Grond". But if Sauron did commission several of them, then surely he would have taken them all to the Siege. Think about the time it would have taken to get Grond #2 from Anglach onto the Pelennor Fields. If #1 failed then #2 would be needed ready to go in order to finish the job.
    The "check engine" light came on for Grond 2, so it was in the shop. Probably an electrical short, and as we all know, those can take a long time to track down (if ever...)

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    I was thinking that maybe Sauron was so arrogant that he thought he would only need one at at Minus Tirith not taking into account help might arrive for the free peoples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scirocco View Post
    The "check engine" light came on for Grond 2, so it was in the shop. Probably an electrical short, and as we all know, those can take a long time to track down (if ever...)
    Of course! That's that matter dealt with!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BangoTwinkletoes View Post
    Of course! That's that matter dealt with!!
    It could also be that the others were not far enough along at the time to send more than 1 to minas tirith,.

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    They had made forges just to forge Grond so creating multiple Gronds in same assembly line is way more cost effective than just making one. Combined with cheap native workers... Just a theory.

    They were probably planning on selling extra ones to Mexico.

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    Quote Originally Posted by siipperi View Post
    They had made forges just to forge Grond so creating multiple Gronds in same assembly line is way more cost effective than just making one. Combined with cheap native workers... Just a theory.

    They were probably planning on selling extra ones to Mexico.

    Nah, I bet they're going heavily into automation (was just reading about manufacturing plants coming back to the USA, but with lots of automation, because even lower-wage foreign labor was too expensive....)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BangoTwinkletoes View Post
    Of course! That's that matter dealt with!!
    Sauron, an unsatiable evil with a military industrial complex, "will to dominate all life." Again, definitely kept several for insurance.

    Even if Minas Tirith fell, in "all of middle earth" you'd assume there'd be more excessively large gates to bash down - and even then, run multiple seiges at once.

    Lore bit: According to pages in-game both Grond and the Morgul blades were made there in Anglach. That the evil of the siege weapons and the blades didnt come from Sauron himself but from something in the ore from the mine below, as it contains fell properties.

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    Stout-Axes Dwarves of Mordor! I absolutely loved to see them there. I just started those quests but had the 'very cool' moment to learn where Sauron's building and creating skill came from. The content has probability that it could even fit into lore. Very nice! I'd like to assume there were Dwarves around when Minas Anor was built by the Dúnedain. However, I cannot find any info.
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    Mordorfs are domb. They built one Grond inside Anglach before realizing that it was too large to navigate the twisting, orc-sized passages to the entrance.

    Sort of like Turbine/SSG only figuring out that their servers can't handle war steeds and their client can't handle Minas Tirith *after* they were completed.

    The "real" Grond was the *second* one that they assembled outside the forges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OMG_PEANUTS View Post
    Sauron, an unsatiable evil with a military industrial complex, "will to dominate all life." Again, definitely kept several for insurance.

    Even if Minas Tirith fell, in "all of middle earth" you'd assume there'd be more excessively large gates to bash down - and even then, run multiple seiges at once.

    Lore bit: According to pages in-game both Grond and the Morgul blades were made there in Anglach. That the evil of the siege weapons and the blades didnt come from Sauron himself but from something in the ore from the mine below, as it contains fell properties.
    Perhaps cobalt, which is poisonous but can be used for steel alloys. Maybe even uranium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BangoTwinkletoes View Post
    But and for argument's sake let's discount for now the possibility that the devs got too carried away with the cut and paste
    When we all know it's the truth when you have a small dev team.

    Quote Originally Posted by LagunaD2 View Post
    Mordorfs are domb. They built one Grond inside Anglach before realizing that it was too large to navigate the twisting, orc-sized passages to the entrance.

    Sort of like Turbine/SSG only figuring out that their servers can't handle war steeds and their client can't handle Minas Tirith *after* they were completed.

    The "real" Grond was the *second* one that they assembled outside the forges.
    Exactly. lol Anglach had no exit door in game for those Gronds. Even vertical is blocked by stone bridges.

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    My guess they had more Gronds but many unfinished and only sent the one they had that was ready otherwise they would have definitely sent more then just one.
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    My theory:
    1- Sauron made more Grond to prepare for the war with Saruman, to break the wall of Orthanc.
    2- After Pelennor field, Sauron didn't think the free people would march straight to the Black Gate. They win, but lost too many. It's suicidal. He think they would hide behind the wall of Gondor, try to repair and regain their strength. Meanwhile, Sauron were still very strong. He had thousands more orcs and trolls. He would attack Gondor again, with more Grond for sure, if Frodo fell.

    So, in both scenario Sauron need more than 1 Grond. But making a giant wolf would take lots of time, special for stupid orcs. So after they finish the 1st Grond, they have to rush it to Pelennor, while the others one are still being made. The one we see in Mordor are brand new, just finished, still hot from the forge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greetingsdownunder View Post
    When we all know it's the truth when you have a small dev team.



    Exactly. lol Anglach had no exit door in game for those Gronds. Even vertical is blocked by stone bridges.
    The exit doors are on the sides of the room, the giant gate doors like Durthang. They're just too heavy for remaining peoples to move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scirocco View Post
    The "check engine" light came on for Grond 2, so it was in the shop. Probably an electrical short, and as we all know, those can take a long time to track down (if ever...)
    Correct, these were made by Land Rover Special vehicles Division, and we all know how reliable Land Rovers are these days; they had to make a dozen in the hopes that one would work on the day.

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    Limited development resources. It's a cheap cut-and-paste job. Probably the dev who did it had no clue what Grond even was in LotR.

    Nothing more to see here. The lore is already rent to shreds, long ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormtower View Post
    Limited development resources. It's a cheap cut-and-paste job. Probably the dev who did it had no clue what Grond even was in LotR.

    Nothing more to see here. The lore is already rent to shreds, long ago.
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    Anglach is where they made Grond and many other weapons. Having spares or others makes sense to me. Sauron didn't use all his army at the pelenor fields or there would be none to fight at the black gate. It is also not wise to send all your good stuff out in one go. Its always good to have reserves. In real life and in fantasy.

    Anyway, I thought it was a cool little thing to go in there and realize, hey, they made more than one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormtower View Post
    Limited development resources. It's a cheap cut-and-paste job. Probably the dev who did it had no clue what Grond even was in LotR.

    Nothing more to see here. The lore is already rent to shreds, long ago.
    If you're referring to the whole "hammer of the underworld" deal (as in the sceptre of Morgorth) Grond at the siege isn't the same unique weapon, it's only make in the image of it. The real thing couldnt even be moved except by his truly.

 

 
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