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    Where we are standing in PvMP

    Dear Snowbourn PvMPers,

    There is a HUGE misconception in our community. I have called the summit together to discuss this, and me, the bringer of good news, will make this clear.

    Veterans, EU's, and ™s - Who are they, What do they do and How do we spot them?
    By the Summit

    Let's start off with Veterans.

    Who are veterans?


    Veteran can have different meanings:
    - The term ''Veteran'' is an official term after having made roughly 3000 ''killing blows''.
    - A "Veteran" is someone who has played for 2 years (or more).
    - A "Veteran" is a measure of skill and a mocking way to call someone a bad player.

    What do veterans do?

    Veterans are often active in the Ettenmoors. They are hardly part of the community (in which they try to act for the greater good), but decide to go for points and points only.
    In very special cases, they go to the forums and share their thoughts.

    Veterans often start to act weirdly, i.e. jumping on a dead body, ''ganking'' and other phenomena like these are often said in one sentence with these ''Veterans''.

    How do we recognize veterans?
    Veterans (part 2 and 3) are usually recognized by their portrait.

    Some of them, as said, are on the forums. Others run around and talk in community channels, like OOC, World and GlobalLFF (Formerly).

    What is an ''EU'?'
    Again, the term ''EU'' can have different meanings:
    - Officially, an "EU" player is a player who plays on European servers.
    - In terms of skill, the term ''EU-player'' was introduced after the launch of a certain game in 2012. An EU player is better than a veteran, but not the best at where possible. An EU-status is earned by a combination of skill and play.

    What do "EU-players" do?
    "EU-players" play their own game. Usually they do care about the community, but are still focused on getting a lot of points (they are not to be confused with clubbers, though). They generally don't block others from playing their own game, as long as they are getting everything themselves.

    How do we recognize an "EU-player"?
    Usually EU players have the same rotation of playing the game. They happen to be concentrated at a certain map spot in the Ettenmoors. You can find them here, and hunt them.

    Lastly, ™ players.
    ™ players (Formerly: Good players™) are generally the type of players that keep improving themselves and take their class to a new level of playing. They are widely known of their doings in (and outside) of the Ettenmoors. They were introduced by the mightiest of mighty ones, famous for keeping places safe.

    What do these ™ players do?
    ™ players do almost everything at the top. They know how to handle well in almost every situation. They won't ruin anyone others' play, and don't care about the points that they can earn. They play the game to become better and improving their own experience. They limit their selves when needed and can also use more than expected when they are put in such situation.

    Remind that there are combinations of these levels of skill - Veteran-EU and EU-™ are common to be used.

    If there is any questions about these general misconceptions, please send a message to The summit. The Summit hopes that there will be no misconception in the future.

    Thank you!

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    Thanks for making this guide Tolg, handy for the newcomers and people that have doubts about their affiliation to one of the groups.

    These terms were abused recently by many that didn't know their true meaning, now it should be clear enough thanks to the efforts of The Summit.
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    Nice to see you're both still here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Navhar View Post
    Nice to see you're both still here.

    Are you back?

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    Waiting for game client to finish downloading
    Last edited by Navhar; Aug 30 2014 at 07:51 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Navhar View Post
    Waiting for game client to finish downloading

    Welcome back and Tribe Navharuglycousin: I accidentally deleted a lootbox -. dont worry they are common now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viklaf View Post
    Welcome back and Tribe Navharuglycousin: I accidentally deleted a lootbox -. dont worry they are common now
    Cousin gonna wait... I have something like 20 levels to make with champ first, I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Navhar View Post
    Cousin gonna wait... I have something like 20 levels to make with champ first, I guess.
    To be honest try first with creep since action is 90% of day at gta which is ganked becuse freeps sit there whole day.In evening freeps make raid and after 1 wipe they go back to gta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viklaf View Post
    To be honest try first with creep since action is 90% of day at gta which is ganked becuse freeps sit there whole day.In evening freeps make raid and after 1 wipe they go back to gta.
    Tbh i logg all the days my spider and @ gta i see ton of CREEPS standing to wait ppl to gank , and also during raids that spot is always patrolled by some C scout ^^ .
    They may be the same freeps and creeps that switch sides .
    I cannot say anything about Evening raid action etc cause i am not pvping a lot but looking at who we got on this server it's not hard to guess that if there is a 20 ppl raid the opposite side will have 50 ^^ so i don't see the problem to disband.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viklaf View Post
    To be honest try first with creep since action is 90% of day at gta which is ganked becuse freeps sit there whole day.In evening freeps make raid and after 1 wipe they go back to gta.
    If creeps are that outnumber, I have one more reason to polish my hammer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Navhar View Post
    If creeps are that outnumber, I have one more reason to polish my hammer.
    Good news for you, it's all about spamming Remorseless Strike now!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Navhar View Post
    Nice to see you're both still here.
    Oh really.

    Quote Originally Posted by Viklaf View Post
    To be honest try first with creep since action is 90% of day at gta which is ganked becuse freeps sit there whole day.In evening freeps make raid and after 1 wipe they go back to gta.
    Oh but that's not a problem. Cleaning GTA provides lovely action, even though it's basically the same story every day... We make a group, zerg GTA, creeps make a group, zerg us back with 2x numbers, and so on... But I guess it's fun for both sides. Or something?... Yeah surely it's fun to stack numbers!

    Quote Originally Posted by Navhar View Post
    If creeps are that outnumber, I have one more reason to polish my hammer.
    Once you enter the Moors, I promise you that your reaver will seem a lot more attractive than your champ.

    Quote Originally Posted by HebnesO View Post
    Good news for you, it's all about spamming Remorseless Strike now!
    Tell that to Dahawk-1, please. He's spamming Brutal Strikes!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Navhar View Post
    Nice to see you're both still here.
    Welcome back

    Hope to see your champ in the moors asap!
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    Can everyone please stay on topic!

    Off-topic: wb Navh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Navhar View Post
    If creeps are that outnumber, I have one more reason to polish my hammer.
    Time to build up pro community and then leave everything to its fate again,right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by maiki1978 View Post
    Time to build up pro community and then leave everything to its fate again,right?
    Was Marvels not the first zerg tribe we had? maybe I am mistaken though. Although Nav, you can always just join Legion or Brutals, there identical tribes and alot like Marvels :-D
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    Quote Originally Posted by MessyR View Post
    Was Marvels not the first zerg tribe we had? maybe I am mistaken though. Although Nav, you can always just join Legion or Brutals, there identical tribes and alot like Marvels :-D
    Rated xRx -> Warriors of the Great Eye
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    Quote Originally Posted by maiki1978 View Post
    Time to build up pro community and then leave everything to its fate again,right?
    Cmon... I expected something different than poison from you Maiki but I've always been too much optimistic.
    I had given all of my energies to that community and I had to leave... I don't see it as leaving my responsibilities, especially after nobody offered himself for taking the lead and that responsibility with it.
    There's no risk however, I'm not having enough time to build up anything now. I'm just gonna feed you with my lonely champ, when ready.

    Quote Originally Posted by Etheldar View Post
    Welcome back
    Hope to see your champ in the moors asap!
    hungry like the wolf? Sorry, Duran mode on
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    Quote Originally Posted by HebnesO View Post
    Rated xRx -> Warriors of the Great Eye
    Hah Mori don't be silly, we wasn't exactly a zerg tribe if we was we'd happily of zerged the 1v1 all the time but we did not, did we? :P

    Welcome back Nav.
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    Welcome back Nav nice to have you with us again, few other older guys came back too but not sure where they've gone though...

    Good to have a proper champ back in the moors again too, now you can show them how its all done
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shagbag View Post

    Good to have a proper champ back in the moors again too, now you can show them how its all done
    I'd like to point out this is not RoI/RoR anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giliodor View Post
    I'd like to point out this is not RoI/RoR anymore.
    That was a bit of an unnecessary thing to say, one of our old school hero's has made an almighty return and your trying to steal his limelight away.

    You cant always be the centre of attention y'know, plus Navhar was around pre RoI/RoR too... he was kicking butt before you were even born in middle earth!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MessyR View Post
    Was Marvels not the first zerg tribe we had? maybe I am mistaken though. Although Nav, you can always just join Legion or Brutals, there identical tribes and alot like Marvels :-D

    Well better that then clubbing ranks or try a multibox account.....

    What did you again for the community here..........mmmmm nothing i guess MR BIG SHOT
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    Quote Originally Posted by puppyspower View Post
    Well better that then clubbing ranks or try a multibox account.....

    What did you again for the community here..........mmmmm nothing i guess MR BIG SHOT
    You will never see me clubbing or zerging, I was the guy who played solo on my WL for months because I refused to join Zergai and his legion or zerglings, I was the WL who refused to heal tag or camp GV, unlike yourself of course :-D I took abuse in OOC for speaking out against it, but of course it fell on very deaf ears, as we can all see, nice attempt at a troll though pity you failed.

    Thankfully my friends know how to play the game and the small groups we did make went very well for us, I am no Mr Big shot, but i remember when rank meant something as did having skills.

    PvP is dead in this game and it has been for a very long time, just look at some of the amazing high rankers we have who run instead of fight, or call in there friends/ooc for help, you cannot honestly say pvp is good. As for what I have done for the community, well what community? we dont have one anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MessyR View Post
    You will never see me clubbing or zerging, I was the guy who played solo on my WL for months because I refused to join Zergai and his legion or zerglings, I was the WL who refused to heal tag or camp GV, unlike yourself of course :-D I took abuse in OOC for speaking out against it, but of course it fell on very deaf ears, as we can all see, nice attempt at a troll though pity you failed.

    Thankfully my friends know how to play the game and the small groups we did make went very well for us, I am no Mr Big shot, but i remember when rank meant something as did having skills.

    PvP is dead in this game and it has been for a very long time, just look at some of the amazing high rankers we have who run instead of fight, or call in there friends/ooc for help, you cannot honestly say pvp is good. As for what I have done for the community, well what community? we dont have one anymore.
    You speak of bad and dead PvP... yet that is not quite so. I think the PvP is quite enjoyable (has been the past few days, at least). In the morning it's small group action, and later in the afternoon there's usually 12-18 creeps, but still room for some 3-6man action, as long as they don't all group up and zerg.
    There's just literally 0 solo action. That's the really sad part. When roaming on hunter, I sometimes find solo creeps, questing, but wargs will hips/morale pot and against other classes I hardly stand a chance (reavers being an exception... untill r9 or so). But I guess that's just the way things go nowadays. Why solo if it's not rewarding?
    About Legion of Zerglings/"Brutals"(lol), they only ever come out with 2-3 times the freeps' numbers. It's a hilarious sight. Example:
    [OOC]Lacileader: 'raid need 2 wl + 3 defi (...)'
    6 healers in a 12man group. Now, they probably need this, that is true. But why? Isn't it just because they refuse to even try to become better?
    I think that's the root of the problem... people don't even try. And why should they, when they can just bring twice the numbers and win like that? Or when they can just pop CD's to ensure an easy victory? There's no incentive to play fair.
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