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  1. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Jillymala View Post
    So in essence the only real way they can distinguish a multiboxer from a player in the Moors is by players reporting them in which a GM needs to physically witness them boxing?
    No, you can do it server-side, and easily. Boxers all issue commands pretty much simultaneously. On the server if there is a player with multiple toons on /follow, and the same skills are all issued within a few milliseconds of one another, it's a boxer. Complex boxers also have the ability to move in various formations, too. If multiple toons are all moving in sync and aren't on /follow, it's a boxer.

    Now that said, a smart boxer would adapt. Adjust scripts to add a random 5-100 millisecond skill delay between the toons. Have a script which holds a collection of viable skills on comparable cooldowns, so that the boxer has a single "Attack" skill, and each toon chooses an available skill from the collection, but they don't all use the same skill. When moving, have the movement script change directions to the left or right now and then, and random start moving/stop moving delays of 25-100 milliseconds. This would all decrease a server's automated boxer detection capabilities and render it pretty much useless. It would also make players unable to determine who is boxing as long as the boxer keeps his/her mouth shut.

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    try that with 6 rank 11 spiders and see how far that gets you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldeld View Post

    Been there, done that. They left. Was good renown while it lasted though.
    Oh gosh, Spydermann was so funny! I would love getting destroyed by him, and hes the only guy to take a relic then take a keep solo.
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  3. #28
    /signed to reduce rank to 0
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  4. #29
    I'm all about fairness.... Lmao.. Just group up and kill the little 6man that is bothering you... It isn't hard you all say the putrid boxer sucks so much yet all you do is cry cry cry... I am for boxing pvp/pve. Boxing has been a important part of every mmorpg and will always be.. As for your little petition I'm flattered that I've let a lasting impression on you. Thanks . sincerely hatchlings and crew rank 12, 6 boxer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rimenuir View Post
    Oh gosh, Spydermann was so funny! I would love getting destroyed by him, and hes the only guy to take a relic then take a keep solo.
    I've taken a keep solo and the relic and I didn't need to box to do it
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    Quote Originally Posted by superboxer2 View Post
    I'm all about fairness.... Lmao.. Just group up and kill the little 6man that is bothering you... It isn't hard you all say the putrid boxer sucks so much yet all you do is cry cry cry... I am for boxing pvp/pve. Boxing has been a important part of every mmorpg and will always be.. As for your little petition I'm flattered that I've let a lasting impression on you. Thanks . sincerely hatchlings and crew rank 12, 6 boxer
    This isn't about you mr special, I know you think the world revolves around you, but it doesn't. This is about restoring fairness to the game we all care about across all servers. But clearly this "little petition" has you worried enough to comment here. and FYI, you do suck... that's why you've thrown money at this game so that you can win. Sorry rich kid, money doesn't = skill, nor does it = respect, and you have neither... now i've wasted enough time on you, go seek attention elsewhere, the adults are talking.
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  7. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by superboxer2 View Post
    I'm all about fairness.... Lmao.. Just group up and kill the little 6man that is bothering you... It isn't hard you all say the putrid boxer sucks so much yet all you do is cry cry cry... I am for boxing pvp/pve. Boxing has been a important part of every mmorpg and will always be.. As for your little petition I'm flattered that I've let a lasting impression on you. Thanks . sincerely hatchlings and crew rank 12, 6 boxer
    Wouldn't say a lasting impression. If someone steps in dog-poo, they stop to clean it off.

    This thread is cleaning dog poo off your shoe. That's all.
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  8. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by loki84 View Post
    This isn't about you mr special, I know you think the world revolves around you, but it doesn't. This is about restoring fairness to the game we all care about across all servers. But clearly this "little petition" has you worried enough to comment here. and FYI, you do suck... that's why you've thrown money at this game so that you can win. Sorry rich kid, money doesn't = skill, nor does it = respect, and you have neither... now i've wasted enough time on you, go seek attention elsewhere, the adults are talking.
    Yet you mention me specifically and are from the same server as I am... Yea it's not about me... Nice try buddy

  9. #34
    Please don't feed the troll


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    Quote Originally Posted by superboxer2 View Post
    Yet you mention me specifically and are from the same server as I am... Yea it's not about me... Nice try buddy
    You should come to meneldor we love killing boxers, oh and the creeps sit and watch as we do, please transfer to us.

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    Greetings, all!

    Bottom line, multi-boxing is allowed. What we don’t like are bots; we don’t like players who set up third party programs to run a character through cycles of fighting in an effort to level, or gain loot. But multi-boxing is a player who will control all characters.

    Someone also mentioned Fight-clubbing. If people want to 1v1 we will allow it, as long as they aren’t just feeding rep to each other.

    -River

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    Quote Originally Posted by CSM_River View Post
    Greetings, all!

    Bottom line, multi-boxing is allowed. What we don’t like are bots; we don’t like players who set up third party programs to run a character through cycles of fighting in an effort to level, or gain loot. But multi-boxing is a player who will control all characters.

    Someone also mentioned Fight-clubbing. If people want to 1v1 we will allow it, as long as they aren’t just feeding rep to each other.

    -River
    So change the bottom line. Multi-boxing in PVE is fine. Multi-Boxing is pvp is not. What is the difference to you if a player sets up a third party program to run a character through cycles of fighting in an effort to level or gain loot vs a player who sets up a third party program to run a character through cycles of fighting in an effort to rank or gain loot. What makes a level so different from a rank? Both are arbitrary numbers, the increase of both increases a players effectiveness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CSM_River View Post
    Greetings, all!

    Bottom line, multi-boxing is allowed. What we don’t like are bots; we don’t like players who set up third party programs to run a character through cycles of fighting in an effort to level, or gain loot. But multi-boxing is a player who will control all characters.

    Someone also mentioned Fight-clubbing. If people want to 1v1 we will allow it, as long as they aren’t just feeding rep to each other.

    -River
    Wow.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by LEGENDofALL View Post
    Actually if enough people reported the boxer and the GM responded while the boxer was online he could come into the zone to see the act himself and that would be enough to ban him. Kinda how Gms would pop in glff or world chat now when someone is griefing everyone.

    Simple process that will never happen for 1 main reason $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$
    back in soa brandywine had a hunter boxer that would get reported hundreds of times a day by creeps and eventually a gm said that boxing was allowed but that he thought it was wrong and that we should send an email to turbine and gave us an address to send it to. All that managed to do was turbine made it easier to box by changing the client to allow multiple copies instead of needing multiple clients/computers to do it. Then instead of 1 6 boxing hunter we soon had 3 sets of hunters,a set of 6 rks , and a cpt+hunter combo. So instead of making things better by drawing attention to the problem all it did was make things worse by giving other people the idea to box.Now if they went back to the old system of only 1 client /install it would probably make things harder on boxers since they would have to have a copy of the game for each client installed or use multiple computers

  15. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by CSM_River View Post
    Greetings, all!

    Bottom line, multi-boxing is allowed. What we don’t like are bots; we don’t like players who set up third party programs to run a character through cycles of fighting in an effort to level, or gain loot. But multi-boxing is a player who will control all characters.

    Someone also mentioned Fight-clubbing. If people want to 1v1 we will allow it, as long as they aren’t just feeding rep to each other.

    -River
    Thank you for the statement, which, I have no doubt, will be as acted upon as your previous one :

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    Quote Originally Posted by CSM_River_ View Post
    Hello, I’m River, Customer Service Manager at Turbine.

    For some time now, the Customer Service team has been reading your comments and thoughts regarding “rank farming’. Together with the Developers, Community team, and players council we have come up with a clear, official definition and policy regarding “rank farming” in the Ettenmoors.

    “Rank Farming” is officially defined as the intentional surrender of your character to an enemy; resulting in a purposeful defeat and a gain of Infamy or renown to increase rank. Rank Farming is specific to Ettenmoors PvMP (Freep vs. Monster Player). The enemy can be controlled by any player - either the same player controlling the surrendering character, or someone else.

    Participation in Rank Farming is an abuse of our game mechanics, and against our rules. Customer Service can identify this behavior and will take the appropriate action on both accounts involved, based on our findings. This activity can also be reported to the in-game staff for review.

    This policy is effective immediately and is *not retroactive*. We will not be taking action on previous potential violations. Any reports filed should be of actions witnessed after the publication of this policy.

    Please remember that we have multiple ways to verify players are participating in this behavior. Additionally, players who frequently report others falsely may also be subject to disciplinary action for harassment.
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  16. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by CSM_River View Post
    Greetings, all!

    Bottom line, multi-boxing is allowed. What we don’t like are bots; we don’t like players who set up third party programs to run a character through cycles of fighting in an effort to level, or gain loot. But multi-boxing is a player who will control all characters.

    Someone also mentioned Fight-clubbing. If people want to 1v1 we will allow it, as long as they aren’t just feeding rep to each other.

    -River
    I think the message from customers to customer support is pretty clear as far as what the customer community thinks about boxers. Why not ask your Players Council members what they think of boxers and whether it should be allowed? I bet I know what they'll tell you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nouri View Post
    I think the message from customers to customer support is pretty clear as far as what the customer community thinks about boxers. Why not ask your Players Council members what they think of boxers and whether it should be allowed? I bet I know what they'll tell you.
    Sorry, but its not clear at all. All that is clear is that a handful of people don't like it.

  18. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Reximus View Post
    Sorry, but its not clear at all. All that is clear is that a handful of people don't like it.
    So how come OOC is always full of complaints about multiboxers?...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CSM_River View Post
    Greetings, all!

    Bottom line, multi-boxing is allowed. What we don’t like are bots; we don’t like players who set up third party programs to run a character through cycles of fighting in an effort to level, or gain loot. But multi-boxing is a player who will control all characters.

    Someone also mentioned Fight-clubbing. If people want to 1v1 we will allow it, as long as they aren’t just feeding rep to each other.

    -River
    This is unacceptable , although the update 14 was free i still spent more than 50$ in lotro store , if this attitude towards your customers contunie , i shall say i wont bother to spend a dime on your game and just play in my privilige of lifetime vip.
    This is what you understand , when we spoke up in terms of money you will take action , i know cause i have been a member for 7 years and unless we talk in $ you wont do a #### !

    just watch this video and say this is WAI : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpgb4E_go4E#t=60

    not the ganking , but the guy with 4 warg bots , how come someone alone roaming in the map can manage to fight or even survive a stun out of that? even if survive a while and damage the bots and the main character the warg has the full arsenal to disp inshort cd and come back contunie harrasing you.

    ?m just awaiting real action to be taken in this subject , if not you cant count on seeing #### load of multibox characters running around in ettenmoors and crashing your pityfull servers.
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  20. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by CSM_River View Post
    Greetings, all!

    Bottom line, multi-boxing is allowed. What we don’t like are bots; we don’t like players who set up third party programs to run a character through cycles of fighting in an effort to level, or gain loot. But multi-boxing is a player who will control all characters.

    Someone also mentioned Fight-clubbing. If people want to 1v1 we will allow it, as long as they aren’t just feeding rep to each other.

    -River
    Do you really think someone running a 6 boxer is actually sitting there with six keyboards in front of them controlling all their characters? Tell me, how is a boxer using third party programs to automate coordinated attacks in an effort to gain renown or infamy that much different than a botter using third party programs in an effort to level or gain loot? I'd really like to understand where Turbine sees a difference there.

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  21. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by CSM_River View Post
    Greetings, all!

    Bottom line, multi-boxing is allowed. What we don’t like are bots; we don’t like players who set up third party programs to run a character through cycles of fighting in an effort to level, or gain loot. But multi-boxing is a player who will control all characters.

    Someone also mentioned Fight-clubbing. If people want to 1v1 we will allow it, as long as they aren’t just feeding rep to each other.

    -River
    This strikes you as good gameplay you'd like to encourage?

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  22. #47
    Disable /follow in the moors. Let's see which of these talented multiboxers is actually controlling all of their toons individually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CSM_River View Post
    Greetings, all!

    Bottom line, multi-boxing is allowed. What we don’t like are bots; we don’t like players who set up third party programs to run a character through cycles of fighting in an effort to level, or gain loot. But multi-boxing is a player who will control all characters.

    Someone also mentioned Fight-clubbing. If people want to 1v1 we will allow it, as long as they aren’t just feeding rep to each other.

    -River
    So a player setting up a third party program to run a character through cycles of fighting to gain rank is different how? Because you know they aren't sitting there using 6 keyboards correct? They aren't controlling all characters, they are using ONE button, ONE KEY to perform 6 actions at once. Is that not setting up a third party program to run a character through cycles of fighting even if it is in PvP?

    As far as FCing, I'm under the impression Turbine doesn't care at this point but then again, I don't know what actions get taken on a FCer, just the fact that I still see them everyday with multiple reports. Although, I can know the difference between FCing and boxing for turbine. FCing circumvents the store which costs Turbine money in potential store bought skills, multiboxing (unless the multiboxer FCs of course) can keep 6 potential subs and be 6 accounts spending money in the store to purchase skills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thisisanewname View Post
    back in soa brandywine had a hunter boxer that would get reported hundreds of times a day by creeps and eventually a gm said that boxing was allowed but that he thought it was wrong and that we should send an email to turbine and gave us an address to send it to. All that managed to do was turbine made it easier to box by changing the client to allow multiple copies instead of needing multiple clients/computers to do it. Then instead of 1 6 boxing hunter we soon had 3 sets of hunters,a set of 6 rks , and a cpt+hunter combo. So instead of making things better by drawing attention to the problem all it did was make things worse by giving other people the idea to box.Now if they went back to the old system of only 1 client /install it would probably make things harder on boxers since they would have to have a copy of the game for each client installed or use multiple computers
    All turbine sees is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. The original boxers helped them see the errors of their ways in only allowing one client per PC. Because then only certain people could do it. Granted, certain people STILL only do it. But they can do it with less.
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  25. #50
    /signed

    Turbine want me to vote for them for 'Most Passionate Fan Base'. I've voted every time they asked us to turn out for an award because I genuinely am passionate about this game. Well not again, not until this is dealt with. Perhaps this will convey how 'passionate' we feel about it.

    P.S. love the disabling of /follow in the moors, simple genius

 

 
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