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    The Forum Challenge - Let's help the each other and the Devs!

    Dear fellow LotRO players!

    Recently, there are some interesting discussions going on concerning the new difficulty of T2C instances.
    1.) I am strongly against an "overall nerf" for all instances because I think some instances are balanced quite well in U14, at least for Level 100.
    2.) I agree some instances need minor tweaks because they seem to be quite impossible.

    I would like to start a game that will help the developers to get the balance in T2 / T2C instances right.

    And this is how the game works:
    All scaleable instances are listed below. If a team can provide videos/screenshots how they completed those instances in T2C and explain the basic mechanics in this thread, they will be honored in this first post by mentioning their names and kinship.

    Rules:
    - No bugs/exploits must be used

    This Forum-Game will be useful for:
    - The Devs because they can see which instances remain unbeaten and probably need adjustments.
    - Other players because they will profit from the posted videos and the explaination of the mechanics.
    - Those who like challenge and competition. (Who can beat T2C and show screenshots/videos first?)


    Instances already completed in T2C:
    Erebor: Iobar's Peak Thrifkori, Hanndrod; Kinship: Beria I Gwenn
    Erebor: Seat of the Great Goblin Thrifkori, Hanndrod, Evolusha; Kinship: Beria I Gwenn, Nightowls
    Erebor: Webs of the Scuttledells We Got This - Nimrodel
    Erebor: Bells of Dale Thrifkori, Antallia, Dratro, Hanndrod, Aykanaro, Wiedo; Kinship: Nightowls, Beria I Gwenn
    Erebor: Fires of Smaug We Got This - Nimrodel
    Erebor: Battle for Erebor We Got This - Nimrodel
    ITA: Northcotton Farm Thrifkori, Hanndrod; Kinship: Beria I Gwenn
    ITA: Stoneheight Thrifkori, Hanndrod; Kinship: Beria I Gwenn
    ITA: Lost Temple Perundel, Avramm, Mrfigglesworth, Leiawynn, Wardenman, Elronir
    ITA: Sari-Surma Perundel, Avramm, Nighquille, Aarodir, Kleptes, Elronir
    ITA: Ost Dunhoth - Disease We Got This - Nimrodel
    ITA: Ost Dunhoth - Poison We Got This - Nimrodel
    ITA: Ost Dunhoth - Wound We Got This - Nimrodel
    ITA: Ost Dunhoth - Fear We Got This - Nimrodel
    ITA: Ost Dunhoth - Ivar We Got This - Nimrodel
    ITA: Ost Dunhoth - Gortheron We Got This - Nimrodel
    Dol Guldur: Sword-hall Beolf, Thrifkori, Hanndrod; Kinship: Beria I Gwenn, Ordo Palantiri
    Dol Guldur: Warg Pens Beolf, Thrifkori, Hanndred; Kinship: Beria I Gwenn, Ordo Palantiri
    Dol Guldur: Sammath Gul Kinship: Order of Justice
    Dol Guldur: BG - Durchest We Got This - Nimrodel, The Lord of the Drinks EU and friends, on Eldar
    Dol Guldur: BG - Twins We Got This - Nimrodel, The Lord of the Drinks EU and friends, on Eldar
    Dol Guldur: BG - Lieutenant We Got This - Nimrodel
    Fornost: Water Thrifkori, Hanndred, Litmara, Drato, Erolont; Kinship: Beria I Gwenn
    Fornost: Earth Posted by Andracy, on Snowbourne
    Fornost: Fire We Got This - Nimrodel
    Fornost: Shadow Jebbs, Aarodir, Nighquille, Elronir, Nilmade, Pekkatir
    Halls of Night Thrifkori, Hanndred; Kinship: Beria I Gwenn
    Inn of the Forsaken Raenrha, Candamir, Maharani; Kinship: Faithless, Dawn Bringers

    Instances not yet completed in T2C:
    Erebor: Flight to the Lonely Mountain
    Dol Guldur: Dungeons


    Note: Helegrod, Annuminas, GB and School/Library are not listed because there is no T2.

    Quote Originally Posted by kickman77 View Post
    One thing I would add to this OP is asking people to post the LOOT from t2c modes.. that way the devs can see how bad it is sharing the same table as t1 and using the rng for loot in raids.
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    Erebor Bells of Dale T2 CM status: beaten



    Antallia Ministrel - Nightowls
    Thrifkori Champion - Beria I Gwenn
    Drato Hunter - Beria I Gwenn
    Hanndrod Captain - Beria I Gwenn
    Aykanaro Loremaster - Die Wachen von Dol Amroth
    Wiedo Warden - [Coming Soon]

    Tactics:
    First Boss:
    The warden was standing with the troll at the bridge.
    The hunter killed the archers, while the champion was killing the melees and the loremaster was debuffing the troll.

    Endboss:
    killed all animal waves until the frost lynxes appeared, then we took care of not killing them (strict focus on the boss).
    Hunter and Champion killed the rats, each on one side

    In their absence Northcotton Farm T2 CM status: beaten



    Hanndrod Captain - Beria I Gwenn
    Thrifkori Champion - Beria I Gwenn

    Tactics:
    First Boss:
    Focus on the spider.
    We ignored the adds (Maybe a bit AoE with the champ)

    Second Boss:
    Champion tanked, Captain healed.
    When the Boss was talking about a gift we stand behind him.
    When the boss was talking about "You shall fall separated" (or something similar) we stand together because of spread damage.
    If one of us got the "poison field mark" we changed position

    Third Boss:
    Captain was running around slapping the hobbits, while healing.
    Champion focused on the bowl, when there were 3 poison fields --> position change

    Fornost: Water T2 Cm status: beaten (2 Chests on the picture - failed taking the screens in time )



    Hanndrod Captain - Beria I Gwenn
    Litmara Ministrel - Beria I Gwenn
    Drato Hunter - Beria I Gwenn
    Erolont Ministrel - Beria I Gwenn
    Thrifkori Champion - Beria I Gwenn

    Tactics:
    Endboss:
    Captain tanked the boss
    Champion tanked the adds (carefull with the AoE when the ghosts emerge from the ground)
    Last edited by Thrifkori; Aug 28 2014 at 07:58 AM.

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    sari surma t2c beaten with

    guard avramm, captain crunchworthy, champ mrfigglesworth, champ aravyl, hunter poevirginia, rk elronir.

    rk healed, guard tanked boss, captain kited guardians, champions champs dueled the guardians when they could. One of the most situationally and script aware fights left. A very nice challenge.

    I suppose i have to post ss, in which i have none of sorry.

    ps. it can be kinda hilarious fight too. Once, the captain first got punted by the boss, then the guardian immediately punted him almost over the edge, then the boss decided to PULL him back to him.
    Last edited by mrfigglesworth; Jul 30 2014 at 03:06 PM.

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    In their absence Stoneheight T2 CM status: beaten



    Hanndred Ministrel - Beria I Gwenn
    Thrifkori Champion - Beria I Gwenn

    Tactics:
    First Boss:
    1. Kill the adds
    2. Kill the Boss
    3. Don't remove corruptions

    Second Boss:
    Break the bubble
    Run away if he is talking about a trick

    Third Boss:
    Be careful with the trick
    1. abandon Buboshgrat? at ~30k moral
    2. kill taltruit?
    3. kill Buboshgrat within 10 seconds
    Last edited by Thrifkori; Aug 28 2014 at 08:57 AM.

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    Erebor: Iobar's Peak T2 Cm status: beaten



    Hanndrod Captain - Beria I Gwenn
    Thrifkori Champion - Beria I Gwenn

    Tactics:

    Break the bubble
    Phase 1: each of us killed one Miner
    Phase 2: Champ kill two, Captain one
    Phase 3: Champ throw duel on one of the Miners, kill two of the others - Captain kills one. The last one slowed with duel get killed
    Last edited by Thrifkori; Aug 28 2014 at 09:01 AM.

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    Halls of Night T2 CM status: beaten



    Hanndred Ministrel - Beria I Gwenn
    Thrifkori Champion - Beria I Gwenn

    Tactics:
    Boss right Side:
    throw duel to see the boss even if he is vanished

    Boss left Side:
    kill the ghosts in your color than the boss

    Endboss:
    kill the bone piles first (Be careful with your AoE) than the Boss
    Last edited by Thrifkori; Aug 28 2014 at 09:05 AM.

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    lost temple t2c completed.

    RK perundel, guardian avramm, champion mrfigglesworth, loremaster leiawynn, warden wardenman, and rk elronir.

    pretty straightforward fight as long as you have good aoe dps and heals and people know where to put the puddles.


    Forgot to take ss til after looted but fortunately no one wanted a teal agility glove so the challenge chest is still there and clearly visible.

    Edit:


    This time with
    rk perundel, guardian avramm, captain nighquille, champion aarodir, burglar kleptes, and rk elronir.
    Last edited by mrfigglesworth; Jul 30 2014 at 05:40 PM.

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    I don't have screenshots (didn't think it would be a major accomplishment :P ) but I can either get them later or you can take my word for it.

    Completed on T2C:
    Warg Pens
    Stoneheight
    Iorbar's Peak
    Seat of the Great Goblin
    Halls of Night
    Sword Halls
    Group: Blue warden, red warden, and either my minstrel (blue or yellow) or my Lore Master.

    Completed Sammath Gul T2C with a Tank warden, LM, two hunters, healing RK and a cappy.

    The fights are harder than they used to be but far from impossible. It just takes practice, knowledge of the mechanics and decent gear (I didn't see much of an issue with level 95 gear; the difference isn't that big).
    And then, forever remains that change from G to E minor.

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    Erebor: Seat of the Great Goblin status: beaten



    Hanndrod Captain - Beria I Gwenn
    Evolusha Runekeeper - Nightowls
    Thrifkori Champion - Beria I Gwenn

    Tactics:
    Red Captain is kiting the adds
    RK and Champ burst the two of the bosses down
    Captains throws oathi on the last boss while running with the wargs
    Last edited by Thrifkori; Aug 28 2014 at 09:11 AM.

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    Endurance stance was a little mistake. I didn't even notice.

    Edit: it was not as hard as one might expect, with the proper group setup. Kinship: Order of Justice (mostly, anyway )
    The first and second boss were trickiest.
    Last edited by Giliodor; Jul 31 2014 at 02:32 PM.
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    No screenshots, but a group from Taters with help from cookies (Rangers of Eriador, Marukhati Selectives and Room for Improvement) did BG T2 HM Durchest and Twins.

    Setup for Durchest: Two guardians, two minstrels, two blue captains, two yellow loremasters, three champs, RK.
    Flinter, Ealdin, Beriaewen, Sensbeard, Aldnoth, Frappy, Eadeva, Sigverker, Erethal, Nacewa, Lodbrok, Blixxs.

    Setup for Twins: Two guardians, two minstrels, blue captain, two yellow loremasters, three champs, RK, hunter.
    Flinter, Ealdin, Beriaewen, Fleuretta, Frappy, Sigverker, Sylthan, Erethal, Nacewa, Lodbrok, Blixxs, Aedfrith.

    Durchest down on 2nd attempt. However, one of his attacks - NOT a crit, NOT distributed - can still do 25-27k damage to mit-capped heavies with high crit def.
    Several wipes on Twins trash, particularly the nasty sorcerer pull up the stairs; twins bossfight down in one.
    Last edited by Aedfrith; Aug 01 2014 at 08:05 AM.
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    We also completed BG T2C a week ago, but I am most definitely not going back in there. The time spent is immense compared to the quality of loot... 2 bounties and some relics.
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    Dol Guldur: Sword-hall T2 CM status: beaten



    Beolf Loremaster - Ordo Palantiri
    Hanndrod Captain - Beria I Gwenn
    Thrifkori Champion - Beria I Gwenn

    Tactics:

    yellow captain tanks the bosses
    yelow champion tanks/kills the adds
    yellow loremaster debuffs the bosses and heal

    Make sure you kill the batboss first
    Last edited by Thrifkori; Aug 28 2014 at 09:14 AM.

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    Dol Guldur: Warg Pens T2 CM status: beaten



    Beolf Loremaster - Ordo Palantiri
    Hanndrod Captain - Beria I Gwenn
    Thrifkori Champion - Beria I Gwenn

    Tactics:

    yellow captain takes the boss
    wake up two adds. Bring on to 70% moral (It will eat the meat)
    Kill the all adds, which already ate the meat
    Last edited by Thrifkori; Aug 28 2014 at 09:21 AM.

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    Loremaster - Raenrha - Faithless
    Warden - Candamir - Faithless
    Maharani - Hunter - Dawn Bringers

    took us about an hour though..

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    Ost Dunhoth - Disease Wing
    Use Oathbreakers for every phase on both trees like you did it in when cap was 65.



    Ost Dunhoth - Poison Wing
    Tank the boss between the two platforms near the exit-door. Let players get rid of their DoT by changing positions on the platforms.

    Concerning Loot:
    Quote Originally Posted by Eruadarion View Post
    I did a few OD T2C runs.
    T2 chests opened: 4
    T2C chests opened: 3
    Number of chests in total: 7
    Time spent in OD T2C: ~ 6 hours
    FA Symbols dropping from those 7 chests: 2
    Last edited by Eruadarion; Aug 04 2014 at 03:13 PM.
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    fornost shadow t2c completed

    champ tank jebbs, champ aarodir, captain nighquille, runekeeper dps elronir, hunter nilmade, minstrel pekkatir.


    video to follow.

    basically pop braziers, hunter in yellow line to keep ghost at bay, mini flops until champ rounds up the rest of the ads with raging blades and true heroics. cappy throws up debuffs and buffs and red champ n yellow rk go to town. after braziers go out, wait for cds and rinse and repeat.

    Last edited by mrfigglesworth; Aug 04 2014 at 11:38 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utleth View Post
    Great Job ! Nothing else to say lol !




    I just found a proof of FD ID 5 and 6 in CM in the Nimrodel forum

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    One thing I would add to this OP is asking people to post the LOOT from t2c modes.. that way the devs can see how bad it is sharing the same table as t1 and using the rng for loot in raids.
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    @mrfigglesworth:
    Thank you for posting the video!

    @kickman77
    Good idea. I quoted your post in the first post.
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    Since no one has posted it yet:

    BG: Durchest T2C status: beaten

    BG: Twins T2C status: beaten

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    Skill and Valour with friends did OD t2c Disease/Poison this evening, also got durch and twins t2c a while ago in BG but no SS of that






    Good to see these raids can be quite challenging again, only good loot we got was a symbol in poison chest :/
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    Bells t2c/ all fornost wings done. Can provide screenshots; Bells is on youtube.

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    Something I noticed, and I'm not sure if others have it the rewards (marks/meds/seals) have changed slightly.
    I'm assuming it's because of the new higher level?
    nice job to challenge completers and it's nice to see some difficulty back.
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    I'm not gonna run any more group content if the rewards are equal to solo play.

 

 
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