Fires of Smaug, a completely faceroll raid when it came out with U10 and the erebor cluster. We went into it today, Belegnor(the big fire grim in the middle that is tanked by a hunter) has 6.1 million morale, and hits consistently for 11k fire damage. I have 30% tactical mits, so if I got them mixed out he'd only be hitting consistent 7k's, and with a LM keeping frost lore up, it would probably be down to 5K or so. Thats a little more reasonable I guess. But there are a few more mechanics to deal with here, first off lets talk about DPS. Since the Grim has 6.1M morale and 5% of it needs to be taken away every 40 seconds or so, the hunter will need to do 305K in 40 seconds, which would 7.6K DPS. This is probably doable at this point, but not easily maintainable over a 15-20Min period, and when they have to burn through the healing after the Firetender, they'll probably be needing to push past the 10K mark which could probably be done by 2 hunters. Final hurdle here, is the adds. Their are 2 types, the engineers which are now 200k elites, and the little ones which should be around 50k each. We couldn't check how hard they hit because we died too quickly, but I'm assuming that, like everything else, they hit like trucks. So, the tank will have to kite them, and a DPS, probably a LM or RK will have to burn them down. Lets say theres 5 mobs, one big guy, 4 little runs(thinking from memory). They have a total of 400K morale and the LM has to take them down every 10% of the boss health, which based on my earlier estimate, would be about 80 seconds. So this LM would have to keep up 5k DPS up for 80 seconds, while debuffing the boss(maybe 2 LM's? 1 red, 1 yellow). Fairly plausable, but don't forget about the double waves, at the point, the LM is going to need to pull out 10K DPS for 80 seconds, getting kind of ridiculous here, especially since this has to happen on both sides. So we need 4 people already just for the adds, 1 hunter for the boss, 1 dedicated healer for his side, and someone to keep the boss debuffed constantly. The other sides healer could probably do levers, but now we only have 5 people total doing levers, and one of them needs to heal the tank on the way. So is this all possible? I'm sure its possible with 12 100% maxed gear people, who all are positively brilliant on their class, and have every second planned out before they walk in the door.