Good luck to the new council. Have a great time and be eloquent!
Good luck to the new council. Have a great time and be eloquent!
R5 100 GRD Marevayave - Leader of Riddermarked For Death
R8 100 MNS Fayah/100 LM Siennah/100 HNT Dinenol/102 RK Dhurik
100 CHN Alachas/85 CPT Dinfaerien/60 BUR Dhax/35 WDN Godoric
R9 105 MNS Fayeh (alt Wilya) - Lonely Mountain Band @ Landroval
To give you some idea, consider that the downtime message for this week was read by about 2,000 players here on the forums. The exact same message was read by more than 10x that number on Facebook. Consider also, that every time anyone reads a post here the counter goes up. So if someone is following a thread, they may personally represent 50 'views' of that thread. While on something like Facebook, 1 read = 1 person no matter how many times they read it.
but I've played the game since 2008. I KNOW the game and I'm active on my Server, in my Kin, etc.
Just because I don't read the Official LOTRO forums doesn't mean I don't have any business giving feedback.
The one ... the only ... Meow.
1.a. An assembly of persons called together for consultation, deliberation, or discussion.
Sapience I admire because he really is actively acting as a conduit for ideas and a human voice with a keen sense of what's happening in the community. I thought the council was supposed to be doing just that, from our point of view. I have been told some bit back up the thread that this is not correct. I accept that.
Darkcntry: that's not quite accurate still. They are players with voices, but not 'voices of the players'; the latter suggests representation, the former emphasizes the fact that they are the only players with institutionalized voice. The other players literally has no guarantee that their PoV will be heard by the devs, whereas the council members can be fairly sure that they will be heard, even if their concerns will never have any weight beyond the weight granted to them by the devs who decide to listen to them.
*waves* I'm another one of those PC members who doesn't post on the forums much. I read them daily, however. I also don't participate much in the insanity of glff\globallff on my favorite servers, but I do follow those, and often respond through tells. Can you imagine what the forums would be like if every player posted here on a regular basis? Another good thing might be to consider some of us might not post a response to a thread simply because the op or subsequent responders might have already articulated our opinion. That, or we might have such an opinion out in left field that others might consider us crazy. (that's often me) I am very excited to bring my "out of the box" point of view to the Player Council, and look forward to reading\hearing others also.
Wait...how have I accumulated over 100 posts? It doesn't feel like I've posted that much.
Amandakay (Arkenstone), refugee from Elendilmir
Hallaniel and Harweniel (Landroval)
Lilta and Zyphrantha (Gladden)
Bruyera (Sirannon), refugee from Estel
Congrats to all who made the cut for the 2014 PC!
Hope you all have a lot of fun getting your hands good and dirty.
And thanks again to the 2013 crew. What a brave lot you have been. Welcome back to Earth.
Congrats to my fellow council members and thank you to everyone else I am looking forward to this year!
If you give away gold bars, someone will complain they're too heavy.
.: Dannach, 100 WDN :.: Daire, 83 LMR :.: Gyrefalcon, 92 CHN :.: Brandon, 72 CPT :.: Honey, 71 GRD :.: Griffon, 69 HNT :.: Kaelenea, 72 RNK :.
.: Iryth, 56 WDN :.: Baye, 56 WDN :.: Samtal, 64 WDN :.:Dunnock, 56 WDN :.: Sedgewald, 68 LMR :.: Breyon, 41 CHN :.: Tieran, 50 HNT :.
I am the master of my fate. I am the captain of my soul.
Might as well face it, I'm addicted to WDN
***Fredelas for Mayor***
***Whiteberry for Mathom-keeper***
And another thing to factor in, is that the PC is just one of many forms of feedback that Turbine use and nobody in game is silent, if they just log in sit in bree for 5 mins then log out, this gets noticed, as they say actions are louder then words.
I like the idea of focus groups, they have proven to work in all walks of life at the Qualitative level, and to call it a council is ok in the same way it was ok for Elrond to have a secret council.
The council members give up their spare time to improve the game its a very commendable thing to do.
I'd explain it to you, but I'm all out of Puppets and Crayons.
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Moochy, 105 Minstrel R10
I honestly hope some good comes out of this year's PC though I have my doubts anything will be done. But that isn't the fault of the PC by any means so don't get me wrong there
Tessariel Aerlinn of Landroval
Elven Minstrel of Rivendell
Member of Sons of Numenor
Additionally, topics from the forums were pulled into new or existing PC topics and even after an official topic was concluded we didn't stop, we kept piling on the comments, suggestions and revisiting criticisms or re-opening issues with new concerns or approvals. Even some topics not included in our mandate made it into the PC forums. My personal one (although not admired by some on the PC) was security and privacy issues, including updates coming from the EU and SA, changes to Safe Harbor provisions and other rather nasty bits, just to make sure the Devs and the Management at Turbine, keep their eyes on the prize which includes our player base in the EU.
However, you are 100% correct in that the PC has NO CONTROL over what actually happens inside Turbine. The PC has no control or say about their development schedule, what goes on or comes off their design timeline, the order of projects, quests or upgrades. At best we can request a postponement of something that's really green-as-grass but we cannot "force" them to perform/create/carryout or address different areas no matter how popular they are in the forums, the game players or media.
Turbine has more than one way of finding out about what players like, don't like, do or don't do. There's a lot on the inside they can "see", analytics up the ying-yang. If you play in one area, they know it, if you don't they know that too.
I coined a phrase: Sapience's Whinging Ratio. This number represents the number of players someone "thinks" accesses any aspect of the game vs the real numbers. Phrases like: some, many, all, everyone (or their implied usage) are lead ins to the Sapience Whinging Ratio. You can spot this in PVMP forums, Raiding forums, and nearly every area. It was very hard for the 2013 PC to accept that some areas are just not popular over all, even if they get a lot of action in the forums, /glff or from other venues.
There are some things that are not in the mandate of the PC and sometimes that includes items that appear to be very popular but that for reasons only known to Turbine are not on the table. No matter what is said or requested. Sometimes things are put on the table and removed. These are not in the control of the PC and there's little that can be done that you are not already doing here: telling them that you want X and why you want X.
Continue to voice your desires, ideas and suggestions here in the forums. They will be noted, not just by PC members but by Turbine themselves. And next year, apply to the PC for 2015.
Whoever says “I” creates the “you.” Such is the trap of every conscience. The “I” signifies both solitude and rejection of solitude. Words name things and then replace them. Whoever says tomorrow, denies it. Tomorrow exists only for him who does not seek it. And yesterday? Yesterday is Kolvillàg: a name to forget, a word already forgotten.
The Oath: A Novel by Elie Wiesel
There are other means of getting feedback, and to the greatest extent possible, it is gathered in as close to a random, blind fashion as it is possible. Thus, no forum/internet polling. Even launcher polling has to deal with self-selection. Even Beta polling, which is done, has survivor and self-selection biases.
Just because neither you nor anyone you know was surveyed, doesn't mean said surveying wasn't done. I've been involved in some surveys outside of the game/betas.
You've heard of Harris/Nielsen/Gallup, etc surveys. Until I was surveyed by Nielesn, twice, I had not nor anyone that I knew of, had been in a Nielsen survey. To my recollection, I've yet to be picked for a Harris/Gallup political poll. What's the difference? The ratings/political polling firms publish the questions and/or the results. Private businesses don't do that, especially for products in the planning or production phases.
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"No sadder words of tongue or pen are the words: 'Might have been'." -- John Greenleaf Whittier
"Do or do not. There is no try." -- Yoda
On planet Earth, there is a try.
Indeed, in a world and life full of change, the only constant is human nature (A is A, after all :P).
We old vets need to keep in mind those who come after us.
After hearing the discussion of what the function of the PC is, and the ACTUAL definition of what they ARE, well....
Why do we even have a player council?
They are single people not representatives.
They have absolutely NO ability to make changes.
Their actual interaction with US, as a whole, is entirely voluntary.
Wow....I was all for a PC before....I really was.
It's like children during wedding planning...they get asked...but it really doesn't matter what they say. We (Turbine) just get to say they had input.
Holding on by the last hair on the dwarfs beard.
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