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  1. #1

    Reposted from EN ... please read!!

    I found this on Evernight , and at least for arkenstone , is very applicable ...
    I quote,

    "Since we all know, this was a update that favoured creepside, and gave alot needed love to defilers, and boosted us to the needed level.
    Updates like this, tend to bring up the sideswitchers, the easymoders and the ones that simply want to see infamy/renown flow regardless of the action.

    I have seen, the past week or two, few new defiler faces, few reavers and ba's. Not a surprise there, but what makes me laugh the most, is that these people, tend to sit front of GV all day.

    Now, to you creeps, who actually play the side, regardless the state of creeps. Im asking, more in the lines of Begging soon.
    Please, stop the GV camping.

    we all know, freeps farmed grams for months, with and without raids. But do we really need to live with eye for an eye mentality, when mainly the freeps that do step out, are new faces.
    So until the freeps that usually were in the moors, have gathered their Virtues, weapons and courgage to come out and have a balanced fight, please stop the farming of the few odd ones that do come out.
    I can't see how killing few scaled and few maxed freeps over and over and over is fun or challenging.

    Its sad, its hypocrite and beyond everything its really killing the little we get on a daily basis."
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    I do agree. I hate camping and hated it when on my reaver and freeps stacked minis and did it for months on end. Now creeps want revenge but it's dumb and not going to get good fights going. On Lode it's both the GV camps plus constantly taking all OPs.
    Edited due to violations of the community guidelines.

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    How do people get GV/grams camped in the first place? Creeps have maps, freeps have horses. Both sides have an alternate exit from main spawn. Camps happen because people hug GV/grams. Leave GV/grams and wander around the map!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jousimies View Post
    How do people get GV/grams camped in the first place? Creeps have maps, freeps have horses. Both sides have an alternate exit from main spawn. Camps happen because people hug GV/grams. Leave GV/grams and wander around the map!
    I agree with this,why could there be a grams camp in the first place?why were
    creeps not using maps to bust out and take freeps from behind or something?
    I never stayed for a grams camp,I just mapped out or took the other exit to
    go do something else,take a op or farm some hobbits/dwarfs or whatever.
    same with gv.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arandeath View Post
    I agree with this,why could there be a grams camp in the first place?why were
    creeps not using maps to bust out and take freeps from behind or something?
    I never stayed for a grams camp,I just mapped out or took the other exit to
    go do something else,take a op or farm some hobbits/dwarfs or whatever.
    same with gv.
    Ill tell you why, because everyone jumps on the bandwagon about hating grams or gv camps, but in actuality thrive and love it.
    I seen it over and over, creeps will say they're taking lugs, and instead of going to defend it have actually said things like,, yesss grams camp, or finally got our grams camp. like they're excited for that. I seen that on a daily basis.

    its lazy, and stupid. a one stop shop... forget the efforts of actually trying to hunt. When you know where the barrel is to shoot the fish from.

  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Jousimies View Post
    How do people get GV/grams camped in the first place? Creeps have maps, freeps have horses. Both sides have an alternate exit from main spawn. Camps happen because people hug GV/grams. Leave GV/grams and wander around the map!
    People hate being camped, and often I think the campers don't like doing it themselves. Thing is, if you're looking for an enemy and can't find one and there have been no call outs, sightings, etc., the next/first place you would look is where you can be sure to find them and that's the place they start at! Freeps come out of gv and creeps come out of grams, and if you sit there you can be sure someone will find you, because I can't name even one person who uses the safe path to leave regularly over the main entrance.

    People go to these places to find them--and they do--and stay there because they know they can keep finding them there. And although the camped CAN just leave, will they? They're looking for a fight too and they can be sure to find the campers, camping! Why would they, if they want the fight, go elsewhere to where they may or may not find anything to fight? Its so much easier to stay, and you WILL find enemies to fight there, as opposed to maybejustmaybe finding someone wandering, and then that's only one encounter.

    This is why it's so dangerous for the campers to take all the ops, because there is a good chance that no one will be bothered to even them out, IF they even think to check! I for one don't look at my map when I'm camping/being camped unless I'm about to go somewhere.

    To break a camp, every camper has to leave, whether forcibly or voluntarily, AND the camped must move out. That is typically hard to do! Many times the camped can't force (kill) all the campers to leave; that's why they're being camped. Though if it does happen, there must be a place to move to (unless the campers were easily destroyed, but when does that ever happen? people don't even call that a camp!). If there's no good place, they stay. If the campers overpower/outmatch the camped, they stay, because 1-shots are the only thing stopping a total wipe. But why move? If you're looking for a fight, you know that soon enough the campers will be back to camp you. It's so much easier and certain if the fight comes to you! It often beats wandering around for a fight you might miss because the campers tried to come back and you missed them on the way.

    Many times, to break a camp, you need sufficient power and a raid leader, and odds are you wouldn't be camped if you had a raid leader in the first place!

    That's my analysis, anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seglord View Post
    Ill tell you why, because everyone jumps on the bandwagon about hating grams or gv camps, but in actuality thrive and love it.
    I seen it over and over, creeps will say they're taking lugs, and instead of going to defend it have actually said things like,, yesss grams camp, or finally got our grams camp. like they're excited for that. I seen that on a daily basis.

    its lazy, and stupid. a one stop shop... forget the efforts of actually trying to hunt. When you know where the barrel is to shoot the fish from.
    Whoa! I'm afraid of the people you play with. I have never and hope I never hear creeps say that...

    And yes, it is unfortunate, but it IS easier to camp/be camped.
    Cheiftain Ashtu-1, Defiler of Landroval
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    I honestly never understood what is the big fuss about GV/grams camp.

    If i want to participate in the camp i do, if i dont want i can leave and pvp in open map. No one ever forces no one to participate in gv or grams camp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarefx View Post
    I honestly never understood what is the big fuss about GV/grams camp.

    If i want to participate in the camp i do, if i dont want i can leave and pvp in open map. No one ever forces no one to participate in gv or grams camp.
    yah true, and when you go look for others that are not participating, well maybe you will find someone, but likely not on vilya anyway, I roam the map constantly, but finding nothing for hours so to get any action "sometimes" I participate in getting oneshotted as it turns out usually, being that range has the freeps pinned to the steps. but if no one were participating in the camp, well it follows suit that they will work their way out into the map, where raids, small groups, and even solos can participate, as it is now atm anyway, you can participate if you heal tag or range, someday when freeps get organized more with the FA's and virtues, I hope to see them pressed off into the map, so the rest of us can participate. at least on a more regular basis then it is now.

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    I'd like to start out by firstly saying camping in general is lame.

    However, there are other ways out of the spawn. If you really hate the camping, then map out/take the back way out of GV or Gramsfoot. You don't have to sit there and take that.

    On the subject of hypocrisy, I can see where the Creeps are coming from on that one. They're out for blood. Getting steamrolled by healstacked Freep zergs is no fun. Especially when the map is blue. They want revenge for all those times. Understandable. Heck, I agree with them. I really don't think the Freeps should be complaining now, after all the "l2p" and "you just are bad creeps" and "suck it up" they tossed at us.

    However, for the sake of good action, I'd say stop the GV camping.
    I've been at the mercy of men just following orders. Never again.

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    I'm not a big fan of GV/Grams camps, but I pretty much agree with Ashtu. If you don't want to be camped, take the safe path or map out. I actually find rez camps to be more aggravating than GV/Grams, though, as there typically isn't any safe way out.

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    I like how most people on these forums lump all the Freeps into the same group. People have different play-styles, regardless of the side they play on. There are plenty of people who enjoy raiding up and zerging, camping, etc. and there are plenty that don't.

    As far as this update goes, been seeing a lot of "eye for an eye" chatter and people urging on the camps. Can't say I agree with this, as it is just more terrible action like the months of Grams camps before it, but I guess a lot of the people participating in the camp are those who were camping Grams earlier. I'd rather we, for once, used this big map we have and fight all over it, rather than at one or two places (Grams & GV).

    Just my two cents.
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    The problem is, what action are you going to find looking elsewhere? All the creeps will be at GV, with FoTM defilers providing rezzes. No creeps will be wandering the map, as the lack of action will drive them to log off. I absolutely 100% REFUSE to participate in any mass GV/Grams camps.

    My stance on this issue:

    Creeps are no better than freeps regarding the camping issue. Maybe the issue with lotro pvp has just as much to do with the player-base attitude as it does with the balance. Wake up people.
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    So what next

    Ok, so how do you fix it... do creeps even have a chance.. I lead both sides on ark.... this action is brutal ... its sucks to creep and when I freep .. no matter how tight knit the group (13) v12+ creeps.. can you not win ( 2 defis one WL)... there has to be a way right?? This couldn't have been allowed to pass through beta
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    I have seen fights on different servers and the freeps there did not have any issue raiding and killing, if your running empty morale virtues it is your own fault! please quit trying to make excuses for failed toons who run morale stacked legendarys, morale virtues and no mitigations... it is your own undoing and if you have such a rough time I suggest you go farm your virtues for survival...
    Innocence/Compassion/Charity/Zeal/discipline ECT... I have no problem killing a defiler 1v1 as a guard without a heal reduction attack... granted it is long and drug out but so is killing a mini on a reaver, just because it is evenly matched you come to forums QQing all over it expecting to go back to 1-2 shotting people after they tested for 2 months to make sure things were EVEN. stop your crybabying work your virtues and then go kill some creeps! I did my part and have no issues 55% OC/FW mitigation 45.9% Tactical...
    my hunter 42.9% OC/FW 38.2% tactical...
    my RK 39.8% OC/FW 52.5% Tactical...

    all I have heard are easy moders crying while those of us who worked out mitigations over years have watched the vitality pool negate our hard work! you weren't good players if your crying now you were easy moders. the good players are ranking up kicking creep butt and laughing at you!


    PS... I watched a cappy a champ and guard kill a 6 man 3 times in a row that had a WL and 2 Defilers + 3 black arrows in it... if your saying its unbalanced I really suggest you learn how to play the game without expecting 2 keys to kill someone (I was the guard) and the creeps were all R9+

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderhorse View Post
    I have seen fights on different servers and the freeps there did not have any issue raiding and killing, if your running empty morale virtues it is your own fault! please quit trying to make excuses for failed toons who run morale stacked legendarys, morale virtues and no mitigations... it is your own undoing and if you have such a rough time I suggest you go farm your virtues for survival...
    Innocence/Compassion/Charity/Zeal/discipline ECT... I have no problem killing a defiler 1v1 as a guard without a heal reduction attack... granted it is long and drug out but so is killing a mini on a reaver, just because it is evenly matched you come to forums QQing all over it expecting to go back to 1-2 shotting people after they tested for 2 months to make sure things were EVEN. stop your crybabying work your virtues and then go kill some creeps! I did my part and have no issues 55% OC/FW mitigation 45.9% Tactical...
    my hunter 42.9% OC/FW 38.2% tactical...
    my RK 39.8% OC/FW 52.5% Tactical...

    all I have heard are easy moders crying while those of us who worked out mitigations over years have watched the vitality pool negate our hard work! you weren't good players if your crying now you were easy moders. the good players are ranking up kicking creep butt and laughing at you!


    PS... I watched a cappy a champ and guard kill a 6 man 3 times in a row that had a WL and 2 Defilers + 3 black arrows in it... if your saying its unbalanced I really suggest you learn how to play the game without expecting 2 keys to kill someone (I was the guard) and the creeps were all R9+
    Seriously, how many more times are you going to say this? We know it now. No need to repeat it 10+ times. Then, if the three of you could bring down a WL and 2 defi's, you should consider something amiss with your server's creeps. People like you who keep saying
    if your saying its unbalanced I really suggest you learn how to play the game without expecting 2 keys to kill someone
    that kind of stuff, annoy me greatly.
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    please cry somewhere else, easy mode times over with the real pvpers are taking over

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderhorse View Post
    PS... I watched a cappy a champ and guard kill a 6 man 3 times in a row that had a WL and 2 Defilers + 3 black arrows in it... if your saying its unbalanced I really suggest you learn how to play the game without expecting 2 keys to kill someone (I was the guard) and the creeps were all R9+
    So if each defiler was putting out 4k hps and the WL 2k hps on a single target which should not be a stretch, each freep would have to hit 3.3k dps single target - this sounds unlikely to me especially if the cappy was healing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderhorse View Post
    PS... I watched a cappy a champ and guard kill a 6 man 3 times in a row that had a WL and 2 Defilers + 3 black arrows in it... if your saying its unbalanced I really suggest you learn how to play the game without expecting 2 keys to kill someone (I was the guard) and the creeps were all R9+
    Oh man, the creeps on your server must be really really terribles... I mean, losing with this setup against three is only possible if you're a fish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderhorse View Post
    please cry somewhere else, easy mode times over with the real pvpers are taking over
    I feel like you're a Defiler masquerading as a Guardian.


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    there is only one solution to fix the GV/Grams camping.

    CATAPULTS!!!

  22. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderhorse View Post
    my RK 39.8% OC/FW 52.5% Tactical
    So what are your RK's crit rating, tactical mastery rating and other stats like wearing the same gear you're getting 39.8% OC/FW 52.5% Tactical mits with no OPs? It would be very interesting to see a SS of this! I'm thinking nerfing your other stats to get huge mits is going to make your RK hit like a Barbie doll. Please make it a SS that includes your Vitals display.


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    Last edited by Nouri; Apr 22 2014 at 04:40 PM.

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  23. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Nouri View Post

    P.S.
    A pic says more than 1,000 words
    Well, he's already written that about being pro/capped mits and his epic virtues. No need for pics!
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    Yes a screenshot please . Considering on the Defiler = OP thread you say the same thing... but no pics... and no, I don't think people will put on the 75 gear you want them tooo ...
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