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  1. #1

    Update 13: The Breaking of Ettenmoors

    thought of a better title for U13.


    edit: although they did manage to fix the lag. no freeps to fight = no lag.
    Last edited by germcell; Apr 24 2014 at 01:01 PM.

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    Update 13: Time to play Guild Wars
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    Quote Originally Posted by germcell View Post

    although they did manage to fix the lag. no freeps to fight = no lag.

    Its kinda like how they fixed the rankfarmers problem by removing the leaderboards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ulza View Post
    Its kinda like how they fixed the rankfarmers problem by removing the leaderboards.
    But the leader boards were missed by a heck of a lot of people who used that helpful tool to get motivation for ranking.


    P.S. I love your signature. Gave me an idea to train my parakeet to play for me. It'll be hard getting him not to take a dump on the keys though.

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    The Ettenmoors, are not broken. They are vastly more balanced than before, although it went a tiny bit to far to the left this time. Most freeps just run into a fight spamming DPS skills and hoping they kill the creeps like they did before U13 while creeps used their full range of skills. Now freeps are doing the same thing and getting killed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dernudan View Post
    The Ettenmoors, are not broken. They are vastly more balanced than before, although it went a tiny bit to far to the left this time. Most freeps just run into a fight spamming DPS skills and hoping they kill the creeps like they did before U13 while creeps used their full range of skills. Now freeps are doing the same thing and getting killed.
    I find the kind of creeps, that blindly assume every freep is an ezmoder with no clue about their class, a bit pathetic. I think the skill level is mostly evenly divided across both sides. It's stupid and ignorant to think that creeps are the better players, because "they had such a terribly hard time".
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    Quote Originally Posted by germcell View Post
    no freeps to fight
    I like to joke around about what's wrong with the moors as well, but I think you hit the true problem so far. Freeps just haven't come out yet. Give them time. Last night on E we got our first taste of decent action, group of 5 creeps + a couple ungrouped engaged 10 freeps (two groups of 5) and the creeps got rightfully slaughtered. Creep group grew to 8 (mostly high rank vets) and were able to wipe the freeps a couple times in even numbered and good fights with kills on both sides. The 2 freep groups started lacking coordination and found themselves fighting us alone (no chance) so the creep group had to disband, but the potential for more good fighting was already apparent if there was more freep population to join in the battle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorandril View Post
    Update 13: Time to play Guild Wars
    Or Elder Scrolls Online....if the megaserver happens to be up.

    Seems like the only time I didn't hear a ton about the moors being broken was back in the pre moria days. The good old days of coffee flavored coffee......no mochachino, cappacino, frappacino, al pacino....and the jukebox plays all Stones, all the time......

    Update 13 put anything out to make the PVE side more challenging? Or is it basically another not great river/faildermore filler?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tkroll View Post
    Or Elder Scrolls Online....if the megaserver happens to be up.

    Seems like the only time I didn't hear a ton about the moors being broken was back in the pre moria days. The good old days of coffee flavored coffee......no mochachino, cappacino, frappacino, al pacino....and the jukebox plays all Stones, all the time......

    Update 13 put anything out to make the PVE side more challenging? Or is it basically another not great river/faildermore filler?
    It really made PvE more challenging, look at the general discussion forum to see ppl complaining about it being to hard. And this Moors is actually gery balanced, Freeps are just starting to come out again because they have their legendaries and finished the new regions.

    There has not been one update where their are not fomplaints about not enough players for a few weeks while the new content is being devoured.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giliodor View Post
    I find the kind of creeps, that blindly assume every freep is an ezmoder with no clue about their class, a bit pathetic. I think the skill level is mostly evenly divided across both sides. It's stupid and ignorant to think that creeps are the better players, because "they had such a terribly hard time".
    And funnily enough, over the years not much has changed and majority of both sides are horrible.

    Truth be told I dont make use of all of my skills all the time as a champ (not a fan of Feral strikes, not even on my quickslots normally)
    There was this one guy who I knew though, he got to rank 7 on WL. He used each and every one of his skills indiscriminately. I remember watching him fight a slug, he'd obviously cycle through all of them, including the auras and stances, he would change his aura like 5 times fighting one slug, start and induction and cut it off by moving or using another skill.

    A good quote by a kinnie of mine while he was on his reaver 1v1ing without most skills "I feel pro, but I'm not..."


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    I've tried a few severs. The action seems to swing from a GV camp, when many creeps on, till a there are more freeps who push the creeps back and it ends in a grams camp. the rest of the map stays virtually empty. A big problem is autoflips, a few creeps/freeps may ninja a keep to try to change location of action, only to see it auto flip back sometimes literally seconds or minutes after leaving the keep. Autos have to be the worst idea ever in the moors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giliodor View Post
    I find the kind of creeps, that blindly assume every freep is an ezmoder with no clue about their class, a bit pathetic. I think the skill level is mostly evenly divided across both sides. It's stupid and ignorant to think that creeps are the better players, because "they had such a terribly hard time".
    I don't think it's a skill difference. I find it's a tolerance for dying that is different. Creeps have become used to being underpowered and on average are more willing to stick around after wipes. Part of that too is the freeps have pve content to go too lowering the tolerance for going against superior #s/odds.
    Edited due to violations of the community guidelines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nifroth View Post
    And funnily enough, over the years not much has changed and majority of both sides are horrible.

    Truth be told I dont make use of all of my skills all the time as a champ (not a fan of Feral strikes, not even on my quickslots normally)
    There was this one guy who I knew though, he got to rank 7 on WL. He used each and every one of his skills indiscriminately. I remember watching him fight a slug, he'd obviously cycle through all of them, including the auras and stances, he would change his aura like 5 times fighting one slug, start and induction and cut it off by moving or using another skill.

    A good quote by a kinnie of mine while he was on his reaver 1v1ing without most skills "I feel pro, but I'm not..."
    Rofl good story xD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dernudan View Post
    The Ettenmoors, are not broken. They are vastly more balanced than before, although it went a tiny bit to far to the left this time. Most freeps just run into a fight spamming DPS skills and hoping they kill the creeps like they did before U13 while creeps used their full range of skills. Now freeps are doing the same thing and getting killed.
    I have played this game for 4 years now, the first on creep and the last 3 on freep. This is one of the smartest post I have seen.


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    Quote .......The Ettenmoors, are not broken. They are vastly more balanced than before.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bleedtodeath View Post
    I have played this game for 4 years now, the first on creep and the last 3 on freep. This is one of the smartest post I have seen.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bleedtodeath View Post
    The problem with the moors lately is things are happening to fast, Turbine believes that balance is taking away away half a health pool in a single hit and fully healing a health pool is good for the game.
    Huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dernudan View Post
    The Ettenmoors, are not broken. They are vastly more balanced than before, although it went a tiny bit to far to the left this time. Most freeps just run into a fight spamming DPS skills and hoping they kill the creeps like they did before U13 while creeps used their full range of skills. Now freeps are doing the same thing and getting killed.
    How are things going in 1v1s for you? Oh, that's right, this game isn't balanced around 1v1s. It's balanced against heal-stacked groups. You know, I've heard this line about freeps not knowing how to use their full range of skills a lot. So you're telling me that freeps played their toons for 95 levels, and never learned how to use their skills effectively?
    Last edited by Nouri; Apr 26 2014 at 04:48 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nouri View Post
    So you're telling me that freeps played their toons for 95 levels, and never learned how to use their skills effectively?
    Haha, good one! For a moment there it seems like you are implying that this game is so challenging that every 95 will need to know his class inside-out. Nice sarcasm man! At first I thought you were serious, but then I realized "No! Nouri can't be that dumb!" Haha! Gotta tell you though, you almost fooled me! Keep up the great sarcastic posts, big fan here
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    I actually think 1v1s are pretty balanced if you know your class. I can beat a low rank warg on my R3 SCALED LM. I think that that is pretty good.

    Also, bring out a mini and watch creeps fall down very quickly or have a fire RK bomb the heck out of a weaver.

    Freeps need to stop complaining, relearn their classes and make new tactics in fights, work their mitigations etc..

    I was in the moors on Withywindle two hours today. Their was no GV camp during that time. Their was a pretty small skirmish outside of a freep controlled TR where 10 freeps defended against 9 creeps. The freeps only lost one rank 3 champion and a Rank 4 burg. After we rezzed them, we continued on towards Aradors End to take Isendeep, but on the way, a new guy to the moors chased a reaver into OC, we couldnt let him die alone so we followed him into it to help him fight back out, but while we were in their, the creeps came back and wiped us with the help of their NPCs. The creeps then went back to TR to retake it but before they could take it, we got back to TR and stopped them in the boss room.

    At that point I had to go, but it was a very back and forth match that was very balanced.

    And Birdflies made a very good point about the trait trees and easy gameplay for freeps.

    Most freeps had to relearn their class after they came out, but the game was too easy so they did not learn all of the ins and outs, and now that the game is harder, freeps have to learn all of the ins and outs of their classes.
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    I'm so tired of this seriously. Any freep knows his class, he's been playing and PvP'ing with it for hours. Sure, there's some exceptions, but lotro game mechanics are no rocket science. Freeps know their class just as well as, or better than, creeps. It's just ignorant to think creeps are superior in their knowledge about their class because they had a tough time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dernudan View Post
    I actually think 1v1s are pretty balanced if you know your class. I can beat a low rank warg on my R3 SCALED LM. I think that that is pretty good.
    Beating a low rank warg who probably doesn't know his class since he's... well, low rank... (*if you know your class*) is not conclusive about the balance of 1v1s at all....

    Quote Originally Posted by Dernudan View Post
    or have a fire RK bomb the heck out of a weaver.
    Who then promptly pops TC and instagibbs the RK.


    1v1s are not balanced. You can bring out a guard and have some decent fights, or you can bring out a hunter/champ/RK and get roflstomped the majority of the time or until the creep holds himself back. It's u12's mirror. In u12, you could bring out a reaver/warg and have plenty of decent fights, or you could bring out a weaver/BA and almost always have a rough time if the freep didn't hold himself back. Skill was a big part of it, but equal skill usually resulted in this style of end results.

    It's not balanced. Balance implies that every class has a chance, and the scales are even, and that's simply not the case. Raid v raid is totally different, of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dernudan View Post
    I actually think 1v1s are pretty balanced if you know your class. I can beat a low rank warg on my R3 SCALED LM. I think that that is pretty good.
    Mmh.

    PvP has never been balanced for 1v1 and for the difficult freep classes it has become even more difficult.
    RvR is an entirely different thing.

    So an LM beat a Warg?

    There is very good thread on wargs: http://theartofwarg.com/category/lotro/

    The author has compiled a list of how difficult a freep is for a warg. Its dated September 2013. Now it should even be easier for the Wargs. Whereas Cappies and hunter are warg fodder, here is his assessment for Warg vs LM:

    Lore-masters – I don’t often throw around the term ‘gods amongst men’, but in the case of the Lore-master it is appropriate. There is nothing a warg can do to seriously threaten a Lore-master. The Lore-master’s abilities effectively negate our debuffs, our CC and our damage. The Lore-master’s own damage is extremely potent and a warg can find himself dead very quickly. In short there is little point in even thinking about taking on a Lore-master.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterOfNothing View Post
    Mmh.

    PvP has never been balanced for 1v1 and for the difficult freep classes it has become even more difficult.
    RvR is an entirely different thing.

    So an LM beat a Warg?

    There is very good thread on wargs: http://theartofwarg.com/category/lotro/

    The author has compiled a list of how difficult a freep is for a warg. Its dated September 2013. Now it should even be easier for the Wargs. Whereas Cappies and hunter are warg fodder, here is his assessment for Warg vs LM:

    Lore-masters – I don’t often throw around the term ‘gods amongst men’, but in the case of the Lore-master it is appropriate. There is nothing a warg can do to seriously threaten a Lore-master. The Lore-master’s abilities effectively negate our debuffs, our CC and our damage. The Lore-master’s own damage is extremely potent and a warg can find himself dead very quickly. In short there is little point in even thinking about taking on a Lore-master.

    ^-^
    Except for you know, interrupt literally every induction the loremaster attempts. Sounds like a good player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterOfNothing View Post
    Mmh.

    PvP has never been balanced for 1v1 and for the difficult freep classes it has become even more difficult.
    RvR is an entirely different thing.

    So an LM beat a Warg?

    There is very good thread on wargs: http://theartofwarg.com/category/lotro/

    The author has compiled a list of how difficult a freep is for a warg. Its dated September 2013. Now it should even be easier for the Wargs. Whereas Cappies and hunter are warg fodder, here is his assessment for Warg vs LM:

    Lore-masters – I don’t often throw around the term ‘gods amongst men’, but in the case of the Lore-master it is appropriate. There is nothing a warg can do to seriously threaten a Lore-master. The Lore-master’s abilities effectively negate our debuffs, our CC and our damage. The Lore-master’s own damage is extremely potent and a warg can find himself dead very quickly. In short there is little point in even thinking about taking on a Lore-master.

    ^-^
    You also have to remember that my LM is a scaled lvl 55...
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    My point was that you came to the conclusion that 1v1 is "balanced", from a *single* combination of classes.
    Not only were both combatants low level, it was *the* combination *most* in favor of the freep, by far.
    Sure, from your perspective it was "balanced".
    I challenge you to play a hunter. And play it vs r8+ creeps. I wonder what the assessment would be for this particular match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dernudan View Post
    I actually think 1v1s are pretty balanced if you know your class. I can beat a low rank warg on my R3 SCALED LM. I think that that is pretty good.

    have a fire RK bomb the heck out of a weaver.
    If I trait fire and try to "bomb the heck out of a weaver", I'll be dead in 10 seconds after they use TC. That's the last thing an RK who knows their class is going to try!

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