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  1. #1

    thank you Turbine!

    With all the negative posts going on I would like to make a positive thread and congratulate the Turbine pvp devs on actually finding decent balance for the pvp.

    Yes I understand creeps may have a very slight advantage but this will soon change and freeps will once again gain the upper hand when they get 1st ages and new gear.

    So thank you Turbine for not tipping the scales too far and finding a good balance for the Ettenmoors, this is probably the most balanced it has ever been. It is obvious you put in a ton of hard work and testing over the past month on BR and the new weekend only testing method has really paid off.
    Thanks and keep up the hard work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by germcell View Post
    With all the negative posts going on I would like to make a positive thread and congratulate the Turbine pvp devs on actually finding decent balance for the pvp.

    Yes I understand creeps may have a very slight advantage but this will soon change and freeps will once again gain the upper hand when they get 1st ages and new gear.

    So thank you Turbine for not tipping the scales too far and finding a good balance for the Ettenmoors, this is probably the most balanced it has ever been. It is obvious you put in a ton of hard work and testing over the past month on BR and the new weekend only testing method has really paid off.
    Thanks and keep up the hard work!
    Let me ask you, if Turbine did such a great job with this update, why all the negative posts? And, the negative posts aren't just from freeps. If you'd like, I can link quite a number of comments from defilers where the consensus seems to be that Turbine went overboard. I lobbied for some defiler buffs (I have a defiler), but what we got was way overboard. It seems with updates, they go one of two ways. Slam on the brakes (nerf), or floor the gas pedal (make something crazily OP). "I understand creeps may have a very slight advantage"? I saw a Defiler a WL and a Reaver camping 11 freeps at GV last night. First agers and new gear? A fair number of people aren't going to wait around for that or endure more Turbine updates. They're gonna be gone. Most of my kin already is.

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  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by Nouri View Post
    Let me ask you, if Turbine did such a great job with this update, why all the negative posts? And, the negative posts aren't just from freeps. If you'd like, I can link quite a number of comments from defilers where the consensus seems to be that Turbine went overboard. I lobbied for some defiler buffs (I have a defiler), but what we got was way overboard. It seems with updates, they go one of two ways. Slam on the brakes (nerf), or floor the gas pedal (make something crazily OP). "I understand creeps may have a very slight advantage"? I saw a Defiler a WL and a Reaver camping 11 freeps at GV last night. First agers and new gear? A fair number of people aren't going to wait around for that or endure more Turbine updates. They're gonna be gone. Most of my kin already is.
    just another naysayer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by germcell View Post
    just another naysayer.
    Check the forums. A lot more of those naysayers out there than people thanking and congratulating Turbine on this update.

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    i personally really like this update too in many ways. I came out of gv once and fought a great warg on the server and got completely destroyed. He was shadow damage traited. I switched my gear/mits to tactical mitigations, retraited, fought him again and was able to bring down his damage by quite a bit. gear and trait choices are much more difficult yet flexible, and therefore more enjoyable (to me). Once 13.1 comes and champs get some love, i think all classes are going to be in a pretty good spot, freep and creep.

  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Nouri View Post
    Check the forums. A lot more of those naysayers out there than people thanking and congratulating Turbine on this update.
    like every other update/patch/hotfix...

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    Quote Originally Posted by germcell View Post
    like every other update/patch/hotfix...
    True.

    I'm betting on average the moors are more balanced. As to the first agers/updated gear...Once freeps have updated gear and first agers they will probably be about where they were prior to the U13.

    Good creeps were winning prior to U13, now they will either quit or roll on freeps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by germcell View Post
    Yes I understand creeps may have a very slight advantage but this will soon change and freeps will once again gain the upper hand when they get 1st ages and new gear.
    What new gear are you talking about exactly? At the moment i feel very limited in my choice of gear, especially when it comes to increasing my mits. Short of wearing lower level gear, which really shouldn't be necessary imo, the options for gear is limited.

    That being said, from a 1v1 perspective the game is pretty close to balance imo, though that might only be because i play a warden. I haven't had a chance to take part in any real group fights yet but i can see the already low freep mits and the fact creeps have increased mit debuffing skills being an issue.

    This isn't the end of the moors, nor is the moors totally broken atm. Some balance passes need to happen, especially when it comes to the amount of healing in the moors right now, but the moors is certainly not beyond repair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nouri View Post
    Let me ask you, if Turbine did such a great job with this update, why all the negative posts? And, the negative posts aren't just from freeps. If you'd like, I can link quite a number of comments from defilers where the consensus seems to be that Turbine went overboard. I lobbied for some defiler buffs (I have a defiler), but what we got was way overboard. It seems with updates, they go one of two ways. Slam on the brakes (nerf), or floor the gas pedal (make something crazily OP). "I understand creeps may have a very slight advantage"? I saw a Defiler a WL and a Reaver camping 11 freeps at GV last night. First agers and new gear? A fair number of people aren't going to wait around for that or endure more Turbine updates. They're gonna be gone. Most of my kin already is.
    Nouri, your posts make up half the negative posts in the threads.
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  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by Voter View Post
    Nouri, your posts make up half the negative posts in the threads.
    Well, when I see people on one thread say things like...

    Quote Originally Posted by germcell View Post
    the GV camps are great, tons of infamy and payback for the months of grams camping. I could spend hours at GV, its so awesome, like clubbing baby seals.
    and then start another thread to thank Turbine and congratulate them for "finding decent balance for the pvp", I'm likely to say something.

    Or, when I see how closely the Itemization folks have been working with the redesign devs so that after the mit nerfs, level 75 armor is back in style again, I'm likely to say something.

    Do I think the update is terrible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nouri View Post
    I've done a fair amount of sparring in the last two days, and while wins are certainly harder to get, things don't seem crazy out-of-balance there. What does seem crazy out-of-balance are defilers. I have a defiler, and I have no intention of playing him while this situation persists.
    No, but I certainly think it could have been a lot better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nouri View Post
    Well, when I see people on one thread say things like...



    and then start another thread to thank Turbine and congratulate them for "finding decent balance for the pvp", I'm likely to say something.

    Or, when I see how closely the Itemization folks have been working with the redesign devs so that after the mit nerfs, level 75 armor is back in style again, I'm likely to say something.

    Do I think the update is terrible?

    I've done a fair amount of sparring in the last two days, and while wins are certainly harder to get, things don't seem crazy out-of-balance there. What does seem crazy out-of-balance are defilers. I have a defiler, and I have no intention of playing him while this situation persists.

    No, but I certainly think it could have been a lot better.
    that reply was tounge-in-cheek.

    also you think defilers are "crazy out-of-balance", do you think ministrel heals are also "crazy out-of-balance"? or are you just jumping on the defiler=OP bandwagon? just curious..

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    As somebody who plays a BA main I am astounded by the attitude of some creeps in this forum. Even before U13 those of us who knew roughly how to play a BA/Reaver/Warg could easily beat the majority of freeps! On Riddermark this update has killed the good action we had preceding u13, with most of the fanboys hopping on their defilers/store boughts and camping GV...unbelievable attitude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by germcell View Post
    that reply was tounge-in-cheek.

    also you think defilers are "crazy out-of-balance", do you think ministrel heals are also "crazy out-of-balance"? or are you just jumping on the defiler=OP bandwagon? just curious..
    Yes, I do think minstrels are crazy out-of-balance, and their healing should be nerfed. I have a lvl 95 minstrel, and I don't bring him to the moors for that very reason.

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  14. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by Shumzuda View Post
    As somebody who plays a BA main I am astounded by the attitude of some creeps in this forum. Even before U13 those of us who knew roughly how to play a BA/Reaver/Warg could easily beat the majority of freeps! On Riddermark this update has killed the good action we had preceding u13, with most of the fanboys hopping on their defilers/store boughts and camping GV...unbelievable attitude.
    U13 is two days old, this happens with every update.

    maybe we should give it some time and stop with the sky is falling posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nouri View Post
    Yes, I do think minstrels are crazy out-of-balance, and their healing should be nerfed. I have a lvl 95 minstrel, and I don't bring him to the moors for that very reason.
    good, I was worried about you for a second.

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    The changes are so nice now it actually takes skill on freep now to do something!!!

    "I saw a Defiler a WL and a Reaver camping 11 freeps at GV last night."

    If the quote from casonari is true than you have extremely bad freeps and should try to re-evaluate the situation.

    I do have a defiler and yes it is super fun and i do think they went overboard.... i was fine where it was but now its just silly.

    (Given your fights with my kinmate warwalker (belv) on rk healing i can only guess that well... you need more skill and knowledge.)

    As the guy said great update just give it time people will figure out the power of traiting and gearing some mits and focus fire. And who knows maybe debuffing incomming healing might just work... hint hint
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  17. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by Jakreal View Post
    The changes are so nice now it actually takes skill on freep now to do something!!!

    "I saw a Defiler a WL and a Reaver camping 11 freeps at GV last night."

    If the quote from casonari is true than you have extremely bad freeps and should try to re-evaluate the situation.

    I do have a defiler and yes it is super fun and i do think they went overboard.... i was fine where it was but now its just silly.

    (Given your fights with my kinmate warwalker (belv) on rk healing i can only guess that well... you need more skill and knowledge.)

    As the guy said great update just give it time people will figure out the power of traiting and gearing some mits and focus fire. And who knows maybe debuffing incomming healing might just work... hint hint
    I was not part of the people fighting those three creeps; I was watching because it was interesting. Perhaps freeps weren't making full and effective use of debuffs and cc, I wasn't watching that. And they weren't grouped, so I'm sure focus fire was lacking.

    I use my incoming healing debuff all the time in fights, and I try to coordinate its use with other debuffs, spike damage and CC, so your hints tell me nothing I don't already know.

    I remember Belv. Wasn't he the guy who said he could tank 6 skilled creeps on his heal specced RK for a considerable amount of time? Yeah, I remember him. I told him three skilled dogs could put his RK down easily. Maybe his opponents need a bit "more skill and knowledge"

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    I'll just enjoy ranking up my creep characters while they are unbeatable for a while. The only challenge is to see how many freeps I can destroy at once. Bout time I get to do some face-rolling.
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  19. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Nouri View Post
    I was not part of the people fighting those three creeps; I was watching because it was interesting. Perhaps freeps weren't making full and effective use of debuffs and cc, I wasn't watching that. And they weren't grouped, so I'm sure focus fire was lacking.

    I use my incoming healing debuff all the time in fights, and I try to coordinate its use with other debuffs, spike damage and CC, so your hints tell me nothing I don't already know.

    I remember Belv. Wasn't he the guy who said he could tank 6 skilled creeps on his heal specced RK for a considerable amount of time? Yeah, I remember him. I told him three skilled dogs could put his RK down easily. Maybe his opponents need a bit "more skill and knowledge"
    But im soley basing this 11v3 thing you stated ....

    Again you are just telling me what i already know... If they aren't focus firing well than yea dont expect much change.... If its only you debuffing and noone else is helping dps\ debuff than yea.... If you expect this moors to be balanced towards a one on one perspective than yea your fault for thinking that's how it should be.

    Like 11v11 considering both sides know what they are doing. It will prolly just be constant healing.

    I do agree filer healing is a lot over the top. But this is just a phase that we need to work through tbh. It will just turn into healing fights from what i see... like not one side will eventually "win". Which is stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nouri View Post
    If you'd like, I can link quite a number of comments from defilers where the consensus seems to be that Turbine went overboard. I lobbied for some defiler buffs (I have a defiler), but what we got was way overboard. I saw a Defiler a WL and a Reaver camping 11 freeps at GV last night. First agers and new gear? A fair number of people aren't going to wait around for that or endure more Turbine updates. They're gonna be gone. Most of my kin already is.
    I was the defiler of said group there, taking on greater freep numbers has been a thing we've been able to do for sometime now: https://www.youtube.com/user/MeneldoArcanum
    With that said, I do feel the mark has been overstepped somewhat on the defiler buff, I am quite god-mode now. However I also play a minstrel in the moors from time to time, and I'd say the heals are on par with that now, factoring in that Bolster Courage hits everything in the fellowship within a 25m radius and is spammable.

    I'm in two minds about my defiler. He probably needs nerfed yes, they are quite silly now, however going back to how it was pre-U13 is an ugly affair. They were bottom of the table for utility, heals, dps, pretty much everything.

    I've seen on multiple servers and multiple threads across the forums the exploits of a yellow captain + burg, guardian etc duo taking on four times their number and holding their ground. One class / small groups being able to take a ridiculous beating and still keep on going is nothing new to the moors. I think it's just because defiler went from being bottom of the food chain to near-top, it's overwhelming to most.

    TL;DR
    Yes defilers need a nerf. As do yellow captains, blue/red minstrels, blue guardians, heals on a whole across both sides... to single out the defiler is cruel. We're not the only class out there with insane survivability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khledon View Post
    I was the defiler of said group there, taking on greater freep numbers has been a thing we've been able to do for sometime now: https://www.youtube.com/user/MeneldoArcanum
    With that said, I do feel the mark has been overstepped somewhat on the defiler buff, I am quite god-mode now. However I also play a minstrel in the moors from time to time, and I'd say the heals are on par with that now, factoring in that Bolster Courage hits everything in the fellowship within a 25m radius and is spammable.

    I'm in two minds about my defiler. He probably needs nerfed yes, they are quite silly now, however going back to how it was pre-U13 is an ugly affair. They were bottom of the table for utility, heals, dps, pretty much everything.

    I've seen on multiple servers and multiple threads across the forums the exploits of a yellow captain + burg, guardian etc duo taking on four times their number and holding their ground. One class / small groups being able to take a ridiculous beating and still keep on going is nothing new to the moors. I think it's just because defiler went from being bottom of the food chain to near-top, it's overwhelming to most.

    TL;DR
    Yes defilers need a nerf. As do yellow captains, blue/red minstrels, blue guardians, heals on a whole across both sides... to single out the defiler is cruel. We're not the only class out there with insane survivability.

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    I have a defiler and I lobbied for defiler changes, but what we got is over the top. And yes, there are other over the top classes and trait lines. I have a level 95 minstrel and captain, too, and I don't bring them to the Moors for that very reason. From my perspective, Turbine tries to make tuning changes with a hammer. Would I like to see some changes to the OP classes? You betcha. There's been a lot of discussion on the forums about the very issues you mentioned. I certainly don't want defilers going back to their pre-u13 state of playability or lack thereof, and I'm sorry if I came across as having no awareness of the position defilers were in for a long time pre-u13. There are lots of other classes and trait lines where Turbine has screwed things up, too. To be fair, I should have noted them as well instead of 'singling out' defilers.

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    ive got an r7 defiler and yes its a big change for the better. Yes i think i could take my share of victories in a 1v1 battle however it isn't that simple outside of 1v1 circles. The freeps that I have encountered 1 on 1 (outside of 1v1 circle) have been very difficult to kill. They run away basically or its a draw. Im sure if I burned my power pool I would be dead but if I fight moderately conservatively the freep recognizes they aren't going to win and runs off. Even with my 10% slow I cant stop them or catch up. Mini, hunter, guard, champion so far have all been able to stand and fight and then retreat at will. The mini was particularly interesting because after several minutes we were both near full health and it was obvious neither of us was going to be the victor. It was a complete draw.

    I think these few examples I have had are evidence that the defiler isn't any more op than other freep classes. By definition if I was OP I would be killing greater than 70% of my encounters. That isnt the case. Not even close.

    If you judge a defiler in a 1v1 circle the appearance of op is going to be more prevalent. Real battle is quite different though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khledon View Post
    I was the defiler of said group there, taking on greater freep numbers has been a thing we've been able to do for sometime now: https://www.youtube.com/user/MeneldoArcanum
    With that said, I do feel the mark has been overstepped somewhat on the defiler buff, I am quite god-mode now. However I also play a minstrel in the moors from time to time, and I'd say the heals are on par with that now, factoring in that Bolster Courage hits everything in the fellowship within a 25m radius and is spammable.

    I'm in two minds about my defiler. He probably needs nerfed yes, they are quite silly now, however going back to how it was pre-U13 is an ugly affair. They were bottom of the table for utility, heals, dps, pretty much everything.

    I've seen on multiple servers and multiple threads across the forums the exploits of a yellow captain + burg, guardian etc duo taking on four times their number and holding their ground. One class / small groups being able to take a ridiculous beating and still keep on going is nothing new to the moors. I think it's just because defiler went from being bottom of the food chain to near-top, it's overwhelming to most.

    TL;DR
    Yes defilers need a nerf. As do yellow captains, blue/red minstrels, blue guardians, heals on a whole across both sides... to single out the defiler is cruel. We're not the only class out there with insane survivability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrfigglesworth View Post
    i personally really like this update too in many ways. I came out of gv once and fought a great warg on the server and got completely destroyed. He was shadow damage traited. I switched my gear/mits to tactical mitigations, retraited, fought him again and was able to bring down his damage by quite a bit. gear and trait choices are much more difficult yet flexible, and therefore more enjoyable (to me). Once 13.1 comes and champs get some love, i think all classes are going to be in a pretty good spot, freep and creep.
    You're willing to buy into it though Figgs. The question will be how many of the other freeps left will? I think it's funny at the moment watching groups of supposedly skilled freeps getting camped by red ranks because they can't choose the right solution to the problem they've been presented and keep trying the same old faceroll cheese which worked pre-update. Could understand the frustration more of scaled freeps who truly get the creep end of the stick where vital skills may not be available etc etc. There are definitely issues, and perhaps the odd creep one now being present may make all more amenable to changes all round?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nouri View Post
    Check the forums. A lot more of those naysayers out there than people thanking and congratulating Turbine on this update.
    The unhappiest people tend to be the loudest, which is why the forums are a very bad place to actually try to determine the state of things.

 

 
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