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    Quote Originally Posted by Voter View Post
    Please consider that when the freep classes are nerfed it will impact everyone, most importantly those that are in pve world. A majority of players could care less about the balance in the moors. The devs can't be switching back and forth all the skills, mits, etc for freeps all the time because it would annoy the heck out of the pve'ers. So when faced with an unbalanced moors the better solution was probably to focus on changing the creep side instead.
    Correct, but I'm pretty sure PvE would still be a complete face-roll even with a significant reduction in healing.
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  2. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Ugmo View Post
    What is it about creeps having the same damage and healing as freeps that bothers you?
    Creeps have much higher health than freeps.

  3. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Ugmo View Post
    This is the same story from you that we got a few months ago. When your side has it, it's okay.
    Let me make this as easy as possible for you to read since you seem to be having some issues there.

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    I play both sides. My main is an RK, but I switch to defiler when creeps are getting camped or are really out numbered. Since your highest level creep is r1, your comments ring a bit hollow when expressing support for creeps but all you play is freep. You may talk the talk, but you sure as heck haven't walked the walk.

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  4. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Ugmo View Post
    No, I think one side having mega healing is bad. I think it's fine when both sides have it or neither side has it. That's called balance.

    This is the same story from you that we got a few months ago. When your side has it, it's okay. When creeps get it, it's a problem. A few months ago it was big hits. You had fun blasting creeps on your RK for 40% of their hit points, but when the creeps got that kind of damage you complained. Now that creeps have gotten a mega healer, you suddenly have a problem again.

    What is it about creeps having the same damage and healing as freeps that bothers you?
    despite me thinking casinouri does not know what he is talking about with rk heals, i agree with him on this, creeps are op now. You (and all the others) can try to make up % arguments to make your claims seem logical(like freeps did for years) but end of the day, creeps are now way more op than freeps ever were(only maybe comparitive to when LIs were introduced) defiler is 150% ridiculous, creeps damage got an increase despite the amount of potential mitigations to orc-craft/fell-wrought being lower than the increase in creep damage (debuffs factored in) and freeps took a hit to mastery and overall stats they lost from putting on mit gear even thought its pointless. End of the day, excuses or no, turbine really went too far this time and i hope they fix it very soon and not in 6 months with a major update
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nouri View Post
    Let me make this as easy as possible for you to read since you seem to be having some issues there.

    R13 RK and r9 Defiler =/= BlueTrimOx R1 Warg :|: LateralPony R13 Champion :|: Edomze R12 Runekeeper

    I play both sides. My main is an RK, but I switch to defiler when creeps are getting camped or are really out numbered. Since your highest level creep is r1, your comments ring a bit hollow when expressing support for creeps but all you play is freep. You may talk the talk, but you sure as heck haven't walked the walk.
    Yea. I don't know anything about creepside.

    So, you play the outnumbered, outgunned side, and your RK is 4 ranks above your defiler?

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    Freeps on your server must be extremely outnumbered all the time for you to play your freep at least 5 to 6 times as much as your creep over the last few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thaelon View Post
    creeps are now way more op than freeps ever were
    Let's not get carried away here. Creeps simply have 1 healer who heals as well as freeps do now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ugmo View Post
    Yea. I don't know anything about creepside.
    And you apparently have no interest in changing this since you've gotten 1 rank on your creep and 25 ranks between your champ and RK. Like I said, you talk the talk, but you sure don't walk the walk. It seems you've spent practically no time creepside while pontificating about the balance you'd like to see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nouri View Post
    And you apparently have no interest in changing this since you've gotten 1 rank on your creep and 25 ranks between your champ and RK. Like I said, you talk the talk, but you sure don't walk the walk. It seems you've spent practically no time creepside while pontificating about the balance you'd like to see.
    Freeps are generally outnumbered on my server 25 to 1.

    If you fear the scary orcs with ugly masks and knobby sticks, I can help protect you. You heal me continuously and I'll hit them with my sword until they are dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thaelon View Post
    creeps are now way more op than freeps ever were




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    Quote Originally Posted by nubcat View Post




    Not the first time i'll have to use this gif, probably not the last time either.
    Do you really not actually have anything to contribute to the conversation apart from trying to score cheap points with a low grade gif?

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    Personally, I think they buffed creep in anticipation of hordes of F2P freeps swarming the moors. Where every creep is gunna have to face off against 2-3x times their number...



    Its SoA all over except with the sides reversed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thaelon View Post
    ]creeps are now way more op than freeps ever were
    It's stuff like this that just pisses me off. It's so, so, so far from the truth as to be ridiculous. Yes, I think creeps have the advantage now and I'm switching back to my mini and guess what? I love it, it's a challenge for for the first time since before u10. Creeps are not that OP and if freeps would stop bitching and work on virtues, mits and tactics they will be far better off. After u10 I was taking on creep groups of 6 with healers and winning on my mini and wardens could do it even better. I can guarantee a defiler cannot win against 6 freeps with healers.

    This change just happened. How about figuring out some tactics and changing skill use a bit before coming in here with sweeping generalizations about OPness. For example, minis won't be able to use anthem of war anymore in DPS mode maybe. They'll have to coordinate fears better (you can lock down defilers this way). They'll have to actually watch out for blight and not run through it or stand in it.

    Before this update I almost never saw freeps use their full arsenal of skills properly or coordinate them. How about trying that now and seeing how it goes? And yes, get mits up. Don't ##### about grinding virtues, just do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tamlong View Post
    Do you really not actually have anything to contribute to the conversation apart from trying to score cheap points with a low grade gif?
    Do you really not have nothing to contribute to the forums than quoting me in every thread because i've ruffled your feathers? Get yourself a sense of humour, plx.
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    Wow you guys are crazy.

    Stop this QQ freeps, L2P. PvP now is more balanced than before, even thought freeps still OP like crazy. Creeps finally got buffs they deserve. It took me less than couple hours to get my new defiler to r3(started with 10k comms) on my account and beat most freeps in a spars. This what I call balance. I mean minis used to face roll every class before. Now Its defilers time to show their capabilities on being most awesome class. If you dont like playing freeps, go roll a creep and play balanced side for the first time in forever. I refuse to play my cappy in the moors cause its too OP now with all the mitigation and damage I have. Gonna play new balanced defiler, cya on the balanced side =D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ugmo View Post
    Yea. I don't know anything about creepside.

    So, you play the outnumbered, outgunned side, and your RK is 4 ranks above your defiler?

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    Freeps on your server must be extremely outnumbered all the time for you to play your freep at least 5 to 6 times as much as your creep over the last few years.
    I watched the server stats on BAoS for a solid nine months before I ever saw freeps score more renown than creeps scored infamy on any given night

    Quote Originally Posted by Ugmo View Post
    Freeps are generally outnumbered on my server 25 to 1.

    If you fear the scary orcs with ugly masks and knobby sticks, I can help protect you. You heal me continuously and I'll hit them with my sword until they are dead.
    So which server do you play on where creeps outnumber freeps 25 to 1? I know it's not Arkenstone where your signature used to say your champ was from before you changed it. Please tell, which server do you play on? 25 to 1, huh? I'd love to do a validity check on this.

    P.S. I think the name of your RK read backward, "Edomze R12 Runekeeper", says it all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doug01 View Post
    Personally, I think they buffed creep in anticipation of hordes of F2P freeps swarming the moors. Where every creep is gunna have to face off against 2-3x times their number...



    Its SoA all over except with the sides reversed!
    this is such an advantage by a magnitude of 10........for creepside. The scaled horde of freeps that will be coming in will heal creeps more than hurt them. Which means you're right, they probably wrongly assumed that those f2p freeps would stick around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nouri View Post
    I watched the server stats on BAoS for a solid nine months before I ever saw freeps score more renown than creeps scored infamy on any given night



    So which server do you play on where creeps outnumber freeps 25 to 1? I know it's not Arkenstone where your signature used to say your champ was from before you changed it. Please tell, which server do you play on? 25 to 1, huh? I'd love to do a validity check on this.

    P.S. I think the name of your RK read backward, "Edomze R12 Runekeeper", says it all.
    I transferred off Arkenstone. I'm on Boar's Head now.

    I find it amusing that you never post of balance issues when your RK was blasting creeps into dust or tossing your mega heals around at will. Why do you only post of balance issues when creeps hit as hard as freeps or heal as well as freeps. If they nerf creep healing next week, you'll be on your RK with nothing to say about balance.

    Hey...that's pretty neat. I never noticed that about my RK name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avengingbananaslug View Post
    It's stuff like this that just pisses me off. It's so, so, so far from the truth as to be ridiculous. Yes, I think creeps have the advantage now and I'm switching back to my mini and guess what? I love it, it's a challenge for for the first time since before u10. Creeps are not that OP and if freeps would stop bitching and work on virtues, mits and tactics they will be far better off. After u10 I was taking on creep groups of 6 with healers and winning on my mini and wardens could do it even better. I can guarantee a defiler cannot win against 6 freeps with healers.

    This change just happened. How about figuring out some tactics and changing skill use a bit before coming in here with sweeping generalizations about OPness. For example, minis won't be able to use anthem of war anymore in DPS mode maybe. They'll have to coordinate fears better (you can lock down defilers this way). They'll have to actually watch out for blight and not run through it or stand in it.

    Before this update I almost never saw freeps use their full arsenal of skills properly or coordinate them. How about trying that now and seeing how it goes? And yes, get mits up. Don't ##### about grinding virtues, just do it.
    Fair enough to say 'it's a challenge' when what your playing is a mini or a warden. Try playing any of the following: Champion, Hunter, DPS RK, DPS Captain, Burglar and you will feel woefully unequipped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shumzuda View Post
    Fair enough to say 'it's a challenge' when what your playing is a mini or a warden. Try playing any of the following: Champion, Hunter, DPS RK, DPS Captain, Burglar and you will feel woefully unequipped.
    But surely certain creep classes can say the same about certain freep classes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordem_the_RK View Post
    +1 freak, seglord. Defilers now rival minis. All creeps are finally scaled properly. We faught some high rank freeps with one mini, a cappy, and they held their ground, it was, for the most part, a draw. Give me the 12K aoes that minis can spam and heal the whole group easily enough! The playing field is obviously equal. Of course there will be more filers on, just like there are more of every class when an update comes out and gives them a boost they rightly deserved. Filers came out of the closet today because playing a filer before was for nothing but freep bait. Filers couldn't go anywhere alone, and hardly helped a group. It's never going to be completely balanced. But par for par, Freeps vs Creeps is much more balanced now than ever before. Thank you turbine for giving creeps what they finally deserved.

    GV camps will happen because the freeps have not fully come into the moors yet. In time, we will have many epic battles!
    I agree with you and for the defilers who think they're OP play another creep or go to freep side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shumzuda View Post
    Fair enough to say 'it's a challenge' when what your playing is a mini or a warden. Try playing any of the following: Champion, Hunter, DPS RK, DPS Captain, Burglar and you will feel woefully unequipped.
    That's really a pretty small list when you need to pick out specific lines of specific classes. Also, burglars have always been a very OP class in the right hands so I'm waiting to see the good burgs I know who stopped playing them because they were too easy post on how difficult it is now. One guy used to laugh about how he'd love to troll creepside on blue line, so maybe he'll get a chance now.

    Hunters will still do massive damage in the right hands in a group environment, they just aren't going to 1v1 effectively. They've also always been the class where thank god few people seem to play them right because the few who do can absolutely tear up creeps when given distance and heals. Champion is still going to be vital in a group environment and still have good ways to take out healers. If you combine that with mini fears and such, I think you'll still see a vital role for them to play.

    Yes, again, I think creeps have the upper hand right now. But before this you saw creeps who had to do things like coordinate impales to take out healers and freeps just able to press buttons with no coordination. Now let's see what happens when freeps work on coordination (and mits) of skills. And let's do that before coming to the forums complaining.
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    Quote Originally Posted by avengingbananaslug View Post

    Hunters will still do massive damage in the right hands in a group environment, they just aren't going to 1v1 effectively. They've also always been the class where thank god few people seem to play them right because the few who do can absolutely tear up creeps when given distance and heals. Champion is still going to be vital in a group environment and still have good ways to take out healers. If you combine that with mini fears and such, I think you'll still see a vital role for them to play.
    This kind of talk is just pointless. Combine with mini fears and such... Come on. I hope you know just as well as I do, that no one ever times a cc chain in a game like LotRO. And what exactly justifies the Hunter's incapability of 1v1'ing? Nothing does. It's just another round of OPness. Creeps this time. Well. I'll find ways to do something on my champ... I think?... No never mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giliodor View Post
    This kind of talk is just pointless. Combine with mini fears and such... Come on. I hope you know just as well as I do, that no one ever times a cc chain in a game like LotRO. And what exactly justifies the Hunter's incapability of 1v1'ing? Nothing does. It's just another round of OPness. Creeps this time. Well. I'll find ways to do something on my champ... I think?... No never mind.
    Hell of a lot easier to time fears then to time impales. And I use to coordinate fears with a couple minis I use to play with. Timing CC truly isn't that hard, especially on long range classes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giliodor View Post
    This kind of talk is just pointless. Combine with mini fears and such... Come on. I hope you know just as well as I do, that no one ever times a cc chain in a game like LotRO. And what exactly justifies the Hunter's incapability of 1v1'ing? Nothing does.
    Not sure if this is sarcasm or not. Hunters certainly aren't the strongest freep class 1v1, but good ones can give EVERY creep class (except defilers now) a good fight and win nearly as many as they lose. It just happens that in a game whose population is generally bad at what they do, Hunters (along with wargs on creepside) have an astronomically unfavorable ratio of good to horrifically bad players.

    If people play a class with CC capacities and don't take advantage of it, whether solo or in grouping environments, they have no one to blame but themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spelunker View Post
    Not sure if this is sarcasm or not. Hunters certainly aren't the strongest freep class 1v1, but good ones can give EVERY creep class (except defilers now) a good fight and win nearly as many as they lose. It just happens that in a game whose population is generally bad at what they do, Hunters (along with wargs on creepside) have an astronomically unfavorable ratio of good to horrifically bad players.

    If people play a class with CC capacities and don't take advantage of it, whether solo or in grouping environments, they have no one to blame but themselves.
    I don't know anything about PvP right now, been grinding FA's (2h's are dangerous business). I was just replying to the statement.

    Quote Originally Posted by avengingbananaslug View Post
    Hell of a lot easier to time fears then to time impales. And I use to coordinate fears with a couple minis I use to play with. Timing CC truly isn't that hard, especially on long range classes.
    You won't hear me claiming differently. I'm simply saying that the average and even above average group won't have such coordination. Apart from that, what so useful in a champion in such a case?
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