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    Wardens - underestimated freep class after HD

    Im sad that i cant contribute to this thread with a video, but i guess some of you surely seen this on your servers.
    Let me describe you:

    Warden rank 12, being attacked by 4 grouped wargs, all around r6-7-8, not lower, not higher than that. I had store bought Flayer, but didnt used it at that time, cause we thought we are gonna burn him quickly. But on our surprise...
    He somehow managed to heal himself, always, at least to keep his morale at 50%-60% (Had around 23k morale, if im not wrong) and still to put few really devastating dots on every single one of us. Resulting in our 4 deaths, even after hipses/sprints and commendation healing pots.
    When fight was over, we were raging in our deaths ofc, at each other, he just got his mount back and continued his way.
    Truth is that he is really good and old warden, and we are really not lowbie wargs, even tho those are our alts only, but we do know all the secrets and rotations we need to know.

    Is it possible that there is some bug or exploit with wardens, which should be mentioned for fix, or is it that he is just an exemplary good warden?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrekkaSrbenda View Post
    "He somehow managed to heal himself, always, at least to keep his morale at 50%-60% (Had around 23k morale, if im not wrong) and still to put few really devastating dots on every single one of us."

    "Is it possible that there is some bug or exploit with wardens, which should be mentioned for fix, or is it that he is just an exemplary good warden?"
    I think there are other classes who could pull off the same, this is not strictly a warden thing.

    As a warden, I believe it.

    On Landroval, I've seen it.


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    Well, there's the WDN heal escape skill, forget it's name, man-heal & pot heal. Might have just been those 3
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    Wardens are in exactly the same place they've just about always been. The strongest solo class in the game, and in general one of the 3 most powerful classes in the game (the other 2 in some sort of flux). They've lost a bit of survivability with HD compared to RoI and RoR but can still easily heal through any single creeps dps while still doing solid dps themselves, while specced for damage.

    4 mid-ranked wargs losing to a warden either fought a shield line one in which case there is little excuse for actually dying yourselves, or the 4 mid-ranked wargs have a much higher opinion of themselves than they should. The surprise at the warden's ability to heal itself, and the lack of commentary on keeping it silenced/disarmed coupled with everyone getting DoT'ed up implies the latter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spelunker View Post
    Wardens are in exactly the same place they've just about always been. The strongest solo class in the game.
    ^This

    Not saying this is what happened, but on top of that freeps can actually trait swap in combat and gear swap in ditto. So personally I wouldn't be put off too much by peoples comments regarding skills. You might as well as no footage goes have been facing a massive exploiter.
    At least as a warg you have the chance to get the fook outta there and not suffer what visibles do, a.k.a 50 sec slows and ranged skills that equals standing in GV and hitting creeps at STR
    Meaning that you shouldn't die to this guy, but neither will you ever kill him, exploting or 'just in blue' as he may be.
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    Exactly that was the problem, he was like a tank but we still had some incredible dots on us. When i hipsed, i had around 15k morale and heal pot r7 on coodown, cause i used it so i can help others to ''finish him off'', i tried to turn of shadow and turn on flayer, cause thats my basic tactic + heal pot against any freep dot when i sprint away in despair, but i just ended dead after crit 6-7k dot, and few not crits for 3k, 20 meteres away.

    I dont question his reputation, the best warden on Eldar, high ranked, but still.. Didnt knew they were capable of tanking few creeps while spreading those devastating dots on us...

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    Quote Originally Posted by poxnoxious View Post
    but on top of that freeps can actually trait swap in combat and gear swap in ditto.


    not sure what you imply by this but freeps can't swap any traits in combat, and can only swap LIs & weapons (still a big advantage, but not as big as jewelry/armour) in combat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spelunker View Post
    Wardens are in exactly the same place they've just about always been. The strongest solo class in the game
    Just came over to check lotro forums for old times sake, and logged in to reply to that (only 6 months after the post).

    Where have you been around SoM? you know.. those 3 years where you could barely survive a high ranked warg while on blue traits (healing), had no cooldowns except the in combat stance "way of the warden", and zero abilities to escape, which made the warden one of the easiest classes to kill while caught outnumbered.

    Do you remember back then, how guardians charged into a group or creeps, poped cooldowns, killed 1 or 2 low ranks, and sprinted back to safety?

    How burlars trolled entire creep groups, while moving unseen with 15+ stealth level, appearing in the middle of the group with cooldowns up, killing a creep no matter the rank, and moving back to safety while still having 50% of cd's just in case something happens?

    Wardens became strong in PvP late in RoI with the introduction of assailment, and "OP" in the end of RoI, with Defiant Challenge (basically 30 secs of immortality on a 3 mins cd).
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrekkaSrbenda View Post
    , and we are really not lowbie wargs, even tho those are our alts only, but we do know all the secrets and rotations we need to know.
    .
    evidently not
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    At least we don't see that many wardens in the moor lately at least my server.

    Ppl know they wont get any respect playing wardens in the moors maybe except Desolates

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    As a Warden, I limit myself to not using healing gambits during fights. As a result, I lose a lot more fights than I should. Still working on skill rotations. But fighting a Warden like that is most likely blue line. And if you coordinated your stuns and silences just right, I would think that most shield Wardens would have difficulty surviving.

    P.S. - The Warden's big heal is called Never Surrender and has a 5 minute reduced CD if traited for it in blue line.

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    I would say it's rather a matter of good WDN players. I've soloed low-quality ones with ease, even when rank 7 in SOM times!

    The one's I've failed to kill by myself or with help, are the 'solo Warden' players everyone knows are good and generally avoided.
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    There are some new wardens that are really even easy to solo, but they actually learned to play in groups, never tried to fight anything without help, so thats a bit expected.
    Problem with this one may be that when i pounced it, we didnt had all 4 wargs on him, but 10m away, so we didnt had much of surprise and coordinaton in first moment.
    He managed to stack some terrible bleeds on me, like 7k per tic (i have 60% crit defence and 46k morale), then others jumped in, when i already noticed my morale went to 50% and was sure im dead. In the meantime he changed his target to others, while still having alot of morale, and several green buffs - wasnt heals, but some Block rating or parry rating...
    Also, i did noticed never surrender, we managed to activate it when already 2 of us were dead...

    Watching all the other wardens (most of them dissapeared after HD release), they cant pull anything similar, so in my mind came that there might be some exploit, like the one that minstrels had for critical heals, stacking several rows of those.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorandril View Post
    evidently not
    I said not the best ones, but trust me, better players than most of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrekkaSrbenda View Post
    and several green buffs - wasnt heals, but some Block rating or parry rating...
    There's a trait when you're specced far enough down Red line that gives you a buff whenever you parry? an attack. It gives you -100% Gambit Builders Power Cost I believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOrcsBane View Post
    There's a trait when you're specced far enough down Red line that gives you a buff whenever you parry? an attack. It gives you -100% Gambit Builders Power Cost I believe.
    Sounds like the shield mastery buff that he was describing, which is blue line only. If the warden was in blue line i really doubt he was doing 7k bleeds.

    That being said wardens are op.

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    Sounds like 4 wargs stuck around to fight a blue line warden.


    Blue line wardens are like poison dart frogs, just run away when you see them. Attempting to eat them will result in bad tummy aches (and a very very slow death).
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