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Estellost, loving husband of the wonderful Shinarra
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Delego-L85 Hunter ; Stodden-L51-Captain ; Edhul-L61-Loremaster
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And no, Turbine don't have the license to The Hobbit any more.
When did Turbine's license change to not include The Hobbit? With the recent license renewal? I had not heard that.
Fellowship Of The Ring Chapter 1 Many Meetings
"'lndeed,' said Glóin, `if it were not for the Beornings, the passage from Dale to Rivendell would
long ago have become impossible. They are valiant men and keep open the High Pass and the Ford
of Carrock. But their tolls are high,' he added with a shake of his head; `and like Beorn of old they
are not over fond of dwarves. Still, they are trusty, and that is much in these days."
The Two Towers Chapter 2 The Riders of Rohan
"They have long been the friends of the people of Gondor, though they are not akin to them. It was in forgotten years long ago that Eorl the Young brought them out of the North, and their kinship is rather with the Bardings of Dale, and with the Beornings of the Wood, among whom may still be seen many men tall and fair, as are the Riders of Rohan. At least they will not love the Orcs.'"
“Denn die Todten reiten Schnell. (For the dead travel fast)” Bram Stoker, Dracula
Nope, some time back.When did Turbine's license change to not include The Hobbit? With the recent license renewal?
Heh, Radhruin, you can not simply wish facts away. Heck, even Sauron shifts into wolf shape in that scene, to fight Huan, and the Lay of Leithian that describes Felagund and Sauron's battle before Felagund and Beren are thrown into the prison explicitly sings "Of changing and of shifting shape" (even if that specific reference is to Felagund and Beren rather than the werewolves). Heck, werewolf MEANS a human-wolf shape shifter. Tolkien, as professor of letters at Oxford, might probably have been aware.
I know it's hard to say, "oops, I was wrong." But you're wrong here.
Now you are grasping at straws. Many who read LOTR also read The Hobbit (and vice-versa). Including a couple of references back to the Beornings is explicitly nodding the head to those readers of both books. Of course he meant the readers to understand the totality of what the Beornings were.
Best to just say, "okay, I was wrong."
I was wondering: how does the skill tree factor in as an inspiration to this class? I think this is a really important clue.
I was thinking of was a sort of amalgamation of the classic trinity types. As in, a class that is basically 3 solid classes in one, transforming completely with each spec switch. Something like the warden, but with even greater distinctions between the specs.
In spec one, hes a classic melee tank, like the Guardian.
In spec two, hes a ranged killer like the Hunter.
In spec three, hes a pure healer with some "magic" type dps like the Minstrel. Or, hes a blend of melee and ranged for that 3rd spec.
We already see this happening with the changes that came along with the skill trees, such as with champs and cappys coming into their own as tanks. I could see Turbine going all the way and making a class that can really fullfill some classic roles and class emulations, all in one tidy package. I certainly wouldnt mind a class that could switch between a powerful melee and a powerful ranged (yes I know, Warden) with perhaps a 3rd spec as a blend of the two.
I'd explain it to you, but I'm all out of Puppets and Crayons.
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Moochy, 105 Minstrel R10
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The werewolves were shape-shifters, just like Beornings. Some people seem to like to minimize the fantastical elements of Tolkien's writings, the ghosts and vampires and magic. These people prefer their lore "life-like" so it fits their ideas, rather than Tolkien's. But Tolkien didn't minimize the fantastical, he seems to have enjoyed it immensely. And he certainly included it.
I don't want Beornings (or any other shape shifters) to be the new class; I don't think shape-shifting IS a class, it's more a race or even species. But to say it's not lore-appropriate. That's wrong.
The mind twists and bends to shake the horrors of life
The mind, keeping it's sanity, bends so far that it snaps in two.
So Beanie, if the hint about the skill tree is NOT in reference to a class that can use the specs to completely switch roles, what do YOU think was meant? How else would the skill trees be used? And what other kind of class/roles can you think of that arent already represented?
And btw.. the reason Im not talking about possible LOTR references, is because is DOESNT MATTER. Turbine has shown they can pick some completely obscure, random character in the lore and build an entire class around them (RKs, anyone?). So its pointless to try and figure out what little snippet of the books they are using. Instead, we should be trying to figure out what they possibly could get away with in the game.
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