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    Will turbine ever answer?

    Hello everyone.
    Can start with, if there have been some answers from the devs about this, I must've missed it. please link it to me.

    So I'm pretty sure lotros community have won several awards for being the best mmo-community?
    Ok, I wish the devs were more grateful for that. That there were better connections between us. Because I feel lost right now. And I feel that the higher ups does not really care about what we players want.


    I want to know why you have changed the direction of the game, for going all in for casuals only.
    When you introduced RIFT-raid back in SoA. You put a new standard for LoTRO's Endgame. That standard did you keep through MoM, SoM and pre RoI.
    When RoI released, we had to wait several months before a new endgame content was released. Before it, we could only play old ones.
    When RoR released, it was even worse. The difficulty were not even, difficult. We had again to do old raids/skirmishes/instances untill later update. And what we got was not close to the same quality as previoua endgame content.
    When HD released, well. I didn't even bought it. Because the warnings have been coming since RoI about less efforts is going for those who wants content like this.
    And RoR kinda confirmed this, but now when the next update got nothing for those who seeks this. You confirmed it as well.

    So as a player, that have been playing since release. I wish you could either put a reply here.
    Or an open letter for everyone about the future of lotro, why the changes, why ignoring the players who seeks more difficult content, why going in more for repetive stuffs etc.
    Because I am ready to put LoTRO aside, but I want things cleared up before that.
    I think we(Pretty sure there's other who feel the same way), as loyal players, deserve that.

    =)

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    I didn't see any actual questions, just some statements on subjects we've answered many times, and recently in some cases.

    If you want to see answer to various questions here are some places to start:

    The Dev tracker. At the top of every page of the forums is a link. Currently there are over 400 pages of links to replies by the dev team.
    https://www.lotro.com/en/forums/post...ker=devtracker

    The ask the LOTRO team archive. There are 100s of answers in a number of threads there. All questions asked by players and answered by us. Including a lot of what I think you're looking for. We'll probably be doing another one of these in the coming weeks.
    https://www.lotro.com/forums/forumdi...O-Team-Archive

    There are more than 300 answers listed in the fantastic transcript thread that FrickinMuck maintains after each live stream. She takes all the questions asked and answers and posts them for everyone to read. In fact she does such a great job, I've moved her thread to the ask LOTRO Team Archive. The only player created thread in that section.
    https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...-what-was-said

    If you were looking for a "what's coming up" answer, you can read Aaron Campbell's producer's letter. He breaks down Update 13 and some other thoughts. He's added some additional thoughts and comments based on player questions throughout this thread. He'll also be back once Update 13 releases to share more of his plans and thoughts in another letter.
    https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...Aaron-Campbell


    Finally, you can always join our live stream (we're trying to make sure we have at least 2 per week) and ask questions. All I ask if you try to ask something new, not something we've answered multiple times before in one of the previous streams or in any of the other places I linked). You can join it here: http://www.twitch.tv/lotrostream

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapience View Post
    I didn't see any actual questions, just some statements on subjects we've answered many times, and recently in some cases.

    If you want to see answer to various questions here are some places to start:

    The Dev tracker. At the top of every page of the forums is a link. Currently there are over 400 pages of links to replies by the dev team.
    https://www.lotro.com/en/forums/post...ker=devtracker

    The ask the LOTRO team archive. There are 100s of answers in a number of threads there. All questions asked by players and answered by us. Including a lot of what I think you're looking for. We'll probably be doing another one of these in the coming weeks.
    https://www.lotro.com/forums/forumdi...O-Team-Archive

    There are more than 300 answers listed in the fantastic transcript thread that FrickinMuck maintains after each live stream. She takes all the questions asked and answers and posts them for everyone to read. In fact she does such a great job, I've moved her thread to the ask LOTRO Team Archive. The only player created thread in that section.
    https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...-what-was-said

    If you were looking for a "what's coming up" answer, you can read Aaron Campbell's producer's letter. He breaks down Update 13 and some other thoughts. He's added some additional thoughts and comments based on player questions throughout this thread. He'll also be back once Update 13 releases to share more of his plans and thoughts in another letter.
    https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...Aaron-Campbell


    Finally, you can always join our live stream (we're trying to make sure we have at least 2 per week) and ask questions. All I ask if you try to ask something new, not something we've answered multiple times before in one of the previous streams or in any of the other places I linked). You can join it here: http://www.twitch.tv/lotrostream

    Look again, he wonder why you have changed the direction of the game for casuals only. And why you have stoped produce endgame Group content. Yes please, just make a statement if we will have more of raids/6mans/3mans in the future. These are the most asked questions, we know That we wont see any new raids this year. But you have not said if we will have any more 6man/3man dungeons. Or if we will ever see raids/Group instances again. So please anwaser that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yafga View Post
    Look again, he wonder why you have changed the direction of the game for casuals only. And why you have stoped produce endgame Group content. Yes please, just make a statement if we will have more of raids/6mans/3mans in the future. These are the most asked questions, we know That we wont see any new raids this year. But you have not said if we will have any more 6man/3man dungeons. Or if we will ever see raids/Group instances again. So please anwaser that.
    You won't see that answer simply because no one can say if there will "ever" be any. Forever is a long time. No one can predict the future. People think the devs say things like "no raids planned for this year" because they are trying to be sneaky and only give a half answer so they can keep you on the hook wondering about next year... when in reality they are answering that was to simply give you the answer you want without making a commitment around "ever". Things can always change.

    There are no raids planned for now. That is your answer. No one is ready to say if there ever will be again. That is the best answer you are going to get right now. Hate it or like it, it is what it is.

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    Ever thought of buying Time Warner shares?

    Buy some and try attending their AGM's and question them on the direction LOTRO is going.

    May even be able to make suggestions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yafga View Post
    Look again, he wonder why you have changed the direction of the game for casuals only. And why you have stoped produce endgame Group content. Yes please, just make a statement if we will have more of raids/6mans/3mans in the future. These are the most asked questions, we know That we wont see any new raids this year. But you have not said if we will have any more 6man/3man dungeons. Or if we will ever see raids/Group instances again. So please anwaser that.
    Quote Originally Posted by CmdrMagic View Post
    You won't see that answer simply because no one can say if there will "ever" be any. Forever is a long time. No one can predict the future. People think the devs say things like "no raids planned for this year" because they are trying to be sneaky and only give a half answer so they can keep you on the hook wondering about next year... when in reality they are answering that was to simply give you the answer you want without making a commitment around "ever". Things can always change.

    There are no raids planned for now. That is your answer. No one is ready to say if there ever will be again. That is the best answer you are going to get right now. Hate it or like it, it is what it is.
    As said, the answer to the raid question is fixed: 365 days of no new raids. You can hope, wish, plead, cry and stamp your feet but the only "reality" you are going to get is: 365 days.

    Do not look to tomorrow or the next day or the next month or the next year. Today is all there is, there is nothing else.

    Whoever says “I” creates the “you.” Such is the trap of every conscience. The “I” signifies both solitude and rejection of solitude. Words name things and then replace them.

    Whoever says tomorrow, denies it. Tomorrow exists only for him who does not seek it. And yesterday? Yesterday is Kolvillàg: a name to forget, a word already forgotten.

    The Oath: A Novel by Elie Wiesel
    Whoever says “I” creates the “you.” Such is the trap of every conscience. The “I” signifies both solitude and rejection of solitude. Words name things and then replace them. Whoever says tomorrow, denies it. Tomorrow exists only for him who does not seek it. And yesterday? Yesterday is Kolvillàg: a name to forget, a word already forgotten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SabrielofLorien View Post
    As said, the answer to the raid question is fixed: 365 days of no new raids. You can hope, wish, plead, cry and stamp your feet but the only "reality" you are going to get is: 365 days.

    Do not look to tomorrow or the next day or the next month or the next year. Today is all there is, there is nothing else.
    Nobody is expecting a raid in 2014 that I know of. The point they are making is we need to know if there is one planned for the future. It's going to make a difference to a lot of people whether or not they keep hanging on. Nobody is hoping, pleading, wishing, crying or stamping - but we are waiting and asking.

    And I choose to look to the future. Today is fleeting and I believe in the ability to turn this game around and make it enjoyable for all again if content is in the works for the future that appeals to all. Big Battles weren't it by a long shot. I will continue to ask what is planned and when we will get raid/instance content. I will also ask for some dev interaction in the minstrel forum, which for the past 6 months seems to even less likely than new raid or instance content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yafga View Post
    Look again, he wonder why you have changed the direction of the game for casuals only. And why you have stoped produce endgame Group content. Yes please, just make a statement if we will have more of raids/6mans/3mans in the future. These are the most asked questions, we know That we wont see any new raids this year. But you have not said if we will have any more 6man/3man dungeons. Or if we will ever see raids/Group instances again. So please anwaser that.
    It seems that you are also trying to change the why question into a what/if/when question. That is not what the OP was asking. We have had (some) responses to the whats... I'd like to stick to trying to get answers from Turbine to the whys in this thread. I suspect a clear answer to the whys might also give more significant insight to the what/if/when answers than we're likely to get in direct answers.

    The why answer is past tense. They know the answer, they just have to decide whether or not they'll answer it.
    The what/if/when is harder for them to answer. For obviously reasons, it would be unwise of them to commit to a plan they're not sure they can execute. I have no doubt they'd love to make the best possible Middle-earth MMO they can; one that would please everyone. But its hard to do that and make a tidy profit, without more players than the game currently has. If I was in their place, I'd be very hesitant to give details on the whats/ifs/whens of the future until I felt really really confident that I'd hit those targets, and even they I'd be saying "the current plan is to do X" for a while.
    Answering why past decisions were decided the way they were, conversely, is just a choice they get to make about how transparent they can be. And sometimes they cannot be as transparent as they'd like, unfortunately. I'm just hoping this isn't one of those times
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    What we need in LotRO at this moment is BALANCE!!

    With this state of game,OP chars,weak mobs,if they release 5 multiboss raids and 10 6mans it would still be worthless cause they would all prob be faceroll like everything is,and after everyone would finish them (i suppose it wouldnt take much time with current setup) it would all be as it is now.

    AFTER that balance,we can talk about other things that are welcomed,such ofc endgame raids/instances...then we can discuss loot distribution and other things,but i would summ it like this

    1. Balance
    2. Content
    3. Tweaks to loot (more 'fair' distribution to put it that way)

    Ofc im talking from a player that is leaning towards endgame experience mostly perspective, for those that are 90% solo/rp/story priorities are different and i understand that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahearn View Post
    What we need in LotRO at this moment is BALANCE!!

    With this state of game,OP chars,weak mobs,if they release 5 multiboss raids and 10 6mans it would still be worthless cause they would all prob be faceroll like everything is,and after everyone would finish them (i suppose it wouldnt take much time with current setup) it would all be as it is now.

    AFTER that balance,we can talk about other things that are welcomed,such ofc endgame raids/instances...then we can discuss loot distribution and other things,but i would summ it like this

    1. Balance
    2. Content
    3. Tweaks to loot (more 'fair' distribution to put it that way)

    Ofc im talking from a player that is leaning towards endgame experience mostly perspective, for those that are 90% solo/rp/story priorities are different and i understand that.
    For the record, beginning game is also unbalanced at the moment. (Have a slew (9) of neweys levels 18-35)
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    Not trying to be argumentative but your post puts out a negative tone from the start. You bring up good points but if I was a Dev, because of the tone I'd probably ignore it.

    You do know there has been management changes at Turbine, that alone changes the direction of development

    Lastly, why would they announce what is coming out giving their competition insight and time to develop their counter to what may take business away from them? I host a game server here in my home (Never Winter Knights) and wrote most of the content. I got allot of "offers" to help write code to "help lag". Instead of asking me for the script that did "X" in the game so they could look at it, they all wanted me to send the entire program. HELL NO, that includes code I wrote doing unique things no one else was doing with the game drawing people to my server. When I tell them I will not release all the code but if you want to work on a certain area, no problem, let me know what you want to do and I'll send it to you. I never heard from them again. Obviously someone that just wanted to copy my stuff and put it in their server.

    So I don't blame Turbine for keeping tight lipped on their future plans. Yea it would be nice to know so I can prepare my toons stats, weapons and what not, but if this is how Turbine wants to protect their product, that's up to them.

    /edit: sorry Sapience, I was typing this up I guess while you responded.

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    Thank you. I will read all the links and see if I can find the answers I were looking for.
    Maybe it was hard to see the big question, and maybe it is answered. And yes maybe a bit negative because I was frustrated when I had problems on starting new thread. That affected the post a bit.


    Anyways, the qestion in short if it isn't answered:

    ''Why have LOTRO taken the change of not having a more difficult gameplay/endgame content anymore?'' Leaving many players that enjoyed it the most, in the shadows.
    And will there ever be any more of this in LoTRO's future? I know many kins that only focus on raiding. They will probably dissapear and move on. I mean, lots of friends..

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexN View Post
    Thank you. I will read all the links and see if I can find the answers I were looking for.
    Maybe it was hard to see the big question, and maybe it is answered. And yes maybe a bit negative because I was frustrated when I had problems on starting new thread. That affected the post a bit.


    Anyways, the qestion in short if it isn't answered:

    ''Why have LOTRO taken the change of not having a more difficult gameplay/endgame content anymore?'' Leaving many players that enjoyed it the most, in the shadows.
    And will there ever be any more of this in LoTRO's future? I know many kins that only focus on raiding. They will probably dissapear and move on. I mean, lots of friends..

    It has been answered before, and in fact Rowan addressed it just yesterday (in terms of what's in the future).

    https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...24#post7114124

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapience View Post
    It has been answered before, and in fact Rowan addressed it just yesterday (in terms of what's in the future).

    https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...24#post7114124
    That seems to me to be answering the question "What is turbine considering as possible additions for group content in the future?". However, the OP, it seems to me, has primarily asked (both times) "Why has lotro development abandoned the inclusion of challenging new group endgame content?" And I'll hazard a guess to say the OP means "traditional lotro instance raids".

    I do follow those information sources myself, and its a lot of information to look through, and sometimes I miss things. Perhaps the Why has been answered before. Even if so, it would be nice to have a direct answer from turbine again here, if you please.

    Thank you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapience View Post
    I didn't see any actual questions, just some statements on subjects we've answered many times, and recently in some cases.
    Quote Originally Posted by TexN View Post
    Or an open letter for everyone about the future of lotro, why the changes, why ignoring the players who seeks more difficult content, why going in more for repetive stuffs etc.
    Ok, they are loaded questions, but still technically questions!

    Anyway, while the team is certainly putting a lot of time and effort communicating with fans, I think this poster makes the case for more organization.

    As has been pointed out, there are already letters from the execs on the future of the game. When somebody wonders "what's going on with LOTRO these days?" the producers' letters (which answers exactly that!) should be easy to find / impossible to miss. 400 pages of links and 100s of answers are nice for the people who want to get really in depth, but to a returning or prospective player that wants general info, there's a risk of them missing that when faced with hours and hours of dev posts to read on every topic under the sun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexN View Post
    Hello everyone.
    Can start with, if there have been some answers from the devs about this, I must've missed it. please link it to me.

    So I'm pretty sure lotros community have won several awards for being the best mmo-community?
    Ok, I wish the devs were more grateful for that. That there were better connections between us. Because I feel lost right now. And I feel that the higher ups does not really care about what we players want.


    I want to know why you have changed the direction of the game, for going all in for casuals only.
    When you introduced RIFT-raid back in SoA. You put a new standard for LoTRO's Endgame. That standard did you keep through MoM, SoM and pre RoI.
    When RoI released, we had to wait several months before a new endgame content was released. Before it, we could only play old ones.
    When RoR released, it was even worse. The difficulty were not even, difficult. We had again to do old raids/skirmishes/instances untill later update. And what we got was not close to the same quality as previoua endgame content.
    When HD released, well. I didn't even bought it. Because the warnings have been coming since RoI about less efforts is going for those who wants content like this.
    And RoR kinda confirmed this, but now when the next update got nothing for those who seeks this. You confirmed it as well.

    So as a player, that have been playing since release. I wish you could either put a reply here.
    Or an open letter for everyone about the future of lotro, why the changes, why ignoring the players who seeks more difficult content, why going in more for repetive stuffs etc.
    Because I am ready to put LoTRO aside, but I want things cleared up before that.
    I think we(Pretty sure there's other who feel the same way), as loyal players, deserve that.

    =)
    Look m8 i totally get what your saying, i want more end-game content....but the powers-that-be have decided to not release anything new. Regardless of the huge numbers of people saying they disagree....they arent listening. Despite people threatening to leave....they aren't listening

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    In terms of schedule, this next year will look much more like the year after Shadows of Angmar launched. Regular updates to the game while we grow the world, with occasional updates to systems. I know looking back to SoA is a loaded term for many players - it's my best approximation.



    We'll consider new group content where we can fit it in, but the team's priority is definitely moving the story and growing the world. Update 13 is the close of Volume 3 of the Epic, meaning yes... Volume 4 is on the way.
    This basically sums their attitude up. Maybe when enough people leave because they are bored of repeating faceroll content in solo-mode, they MAY...and i say MAY start to listen, but by then i believe it will be too late. Why the hell they cant cater for everyone in this game is beyond me....solo content for casuals and group content for groupies....every other mmorpg i play does.

    I wont be starting my sub again any-time soon, im buying quest packs etc with tp earned.

    Update 13 closing vol 3 of the epic - yeah awesome, but once again content aimed at solo players....once again players who like to group getting short changed.

    I've actually gave up hope of turbine sorting things anytime soon, and tbh im only here until next month when teso comes. Ill check back every now and then for updates and to see if anything new comes out, if not i wont be paying another penny to turbine.

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    Lots of people that enjoy certain 'looked over' aspects of LOTRO will ask 'WHY aren't we catered for...?'

    Trouble is, in my opinion, this is almost an impossible question for Turbine to answer adequately enough, if at all, for that demographic to accept. Trust me - I'm one of those that would like to know why there are no instance clusters or raids at least even mentioned as being 'in development', as opposed to loosely quoted from Rowan 'When we can fit them in'. Or why an MMO that has previously dished out expansions and regions that had something for everyone, seems to be leaning more towards simply story telling, solo play and, IMO, more 'simplistic' group content (IE Epic Battles, that dont compare to T2C instances, in terms of difficulty, quality of gear needed to equip to succeed, progression etc etc)

    Why are these questions difficult for Turbine to answer?

    Well, from where I sit as a LOTRO player and from how things get handled by Turbine I would GUESS - and that's important to highlight - GUESS - that a lot of the time, Turbine's hands are tied by WB, or even internally. MMO's is a competition rich environment, a company that lays its future plans out too openly, even as a gesture to their player-base, will equally be letting competitors know what's going on too. So do they answer the questions, or stay silent? And which of the two is worse?

    My suggestion would be if you feel you aren't being catered for, and what Turbine tells you is coming, then maybe take a break, or just try to take things LESS seriously. I've done exactly that lately. And I feel better for it!

    If Turbine could release a massive expac with tons of classic instances, raids, 10 new Epic Battles, 3 new classes, a new PvMP map, instanced PvMP 'matches' a la capture the flag etc etc, they probably would.... and I have a feeling that we would like it mostly if they did!

    Trouble is as the customer, we won't get told what's on the far horizon - see above, if they do, they've blown cover for competitors to exploit, and if they stay hush, we all assume the worse. It's not a great place to be admittedly, but that's the games industry!

    Take what we have, the roadmap for this year, and see where it heads.... without sounding too much like a hippy, the future will provide all the answers to your questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matalan View Post
    Lots of people that enjoy certain 'looked over' aspects of LOTRO will ask 'WHY aren't we catered for...?'

    Trouble is, in my opinion, this is almost an impossible question for Turbine to answer adequately enough, if at all, for that demographic to accept. Trust me - I'm one of those that would like to know why there are no instance clusters or raids at least even mentioned as being 'in development', as opposed to loosely quoted from Rowan 'When we can fit them in'. Or why an MMO that has previously dished out expansions and regions that had something for everyone, seems to be leaning more towards simply story telling, solo play and, IMO, more 'simplistic' group content (IE Epic Battles, that dont compare to T2C instances, in terms of difficulty, quality of gear needed to equip to succeed, progression etc etc)

    Why are these questions difficult for Turbine to answer?

    Well, from where I sit as a LOTRO player and from how things get handled by Turbine I would GUESS - and that's important to highlight - GUESS - that a lot of the time, Turbine's hands are tied by WB, or even internally. MMO's is a competition rich environment, a company that lays its future plans out too openly, even as a gesture to their player-base, will equally be letting competitors know what's going on too. So do they answer the questions, or stay silent? And which of the two is worse?

    My suggestion would be if you feel you aren't being catered for, and what Turbine tells you is coming, then maybe take a break, or just try to take things LESS seriously. I've done exactly that lately. And I feel better for it!

    If Turbine could release a massive expac with tons of classic instances, raids, 10 new Epic Battles, 3 new classes, a new PvMP map, instanced PvMP 'matches' a la capture the flag etc etc, they probably would.... and I have a feeling that we would like it mostly if they did!

    Trouble is as the customer, we won't get told what's on the far horizon - see above, if they do, they've blown cover for competitors to exploit, and if they stay hush, we all assume the worse. It's not a great place to be admittedly, but that's the games industry!

    Take what we have, the roadmap for this year, and see where it heads.... without sounding too much like a hippy, the future will provide all the answers to your questions.
    Pretty much agree with the lot of that. Though in my no more valid than yours opinion, I suspect it's less to do with WB telling them what to do, and more about WB pulling resources from the game to where the crew that remains has to narrow their priorities.

    I DO NOT get why is it that people on this thread feel their question hasn't been answered. It was stated clearly that the top priorities are continuing the story and growing the world. There will be no raids planned for the year, etc. Of course, they aren't going to answer the question in the way it's framed because it is essentially framed like,

    "Why is it you guys are doing things I don't care about instead of good things that I want?"

    I don't know what answers people expect for these loaded questions.

    "We aren't doing group focused content because we hate you."?
    "We aren't doing endgame content because we don't want your money."?
    "Oh please forgive our sins against you! We'll reverse course and have a 24 man raid in the next patch!"?

    Now, I don't disagree with their sentiments. I was one of the ones left out in the cold since december because there's remarkably little to do for a player like me. And I'm not alone, as I've noticed my food orders are down by about 300%. Online guildies are at an all time low, and I've been with them since Moria. I can understand if they find that what's been said about end game and multiplayer content is unacceptable...

    ...but the OP's question has been answered. The ball is in their court to decide if they want to stick around.

    It's my hope that there will be more coming than just the continuation of the story and old zone revamps. It's my hope that they'll tweak BB's to make me interested in doing them. If what they do is enough for me, I'll keep my sub. If it isn't, I'll probably shut it down and only sub when new content hits. But while the developer diaries seem to be pretty dry at the moment, the team has been very vocal about the direction they're going in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robsolflotr View Post
    Pretty much agree with the lot of that. Though in my no more valid than yours opinion, I suspect it's less to do with WB telling them what to do, and more about WB pulling resources from the game to where the crew that remains has to narrow their priorities.

    I DO NOT get why is it that people on this thread feel their question hasn't been answered. It was stated clearly that the top priorities are continuing the story and growing the world. There will be no raids planned for the year, etc. Of course, they aren't going to answer the question in the way it's framed because it is essentially framed like,

    "Why is it you guys are doing things I don't care about instead of good things that I want?"

    I don't know what answers people expect for these loaded questions.

    "We aren't doing group focused content because we hate you."?
    "We aren't doing endgame content because we don't want your money."?
    "Oh please forgive our sins against you! We'll reverse course and have a 24 man raid in the next patch!"?

    Now, I don't disagree with their sentiments. I was one of the ones left out in the cold since december because there's remarkably little to do for a player like me. And I'm not alone, as I've noticed my food orders are down by about 300%. Online guildies are at an all time low, and I've been with them since Moria. I can understand if they find that what's been said about end game and multiplayer content is unacceptable...

    ...but the OP's question has been answered. The ball is in their court to decide if they want to stick around.

    It's my hope that there will be more coming than just the continuation of the story and old zone revamps. It's my hope that they'll tweak BB's to make me interested in doing them. If what they do is enough for me, I'll keep my sub. If it isn't, I'll probably shut it down and only sub when new content hits. But while the developer diaries seem to be pretty dry at the moment, the team has been very vocal about the direction they're going in.
    This was the question: I want to know why you have changed the direction of the game, for going all in for casuals only.

    answer: We'll consider new group content where we can fit it in, but the team's priority is definitely moving the story and growing the world. Update 13 is the close of Volume 3 of the Epic, meaning yes... Volume 4 is on the way. (https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...24#post7114124)

    Why people are dissatisfied with the answer:
    • It implies that there is no group content under development, where before Turbine spoke about a 12-18 month development time. People are unhappy with the idea of waiting that long for new group content.
    • They want to know what the rationale is for why they changed direction not just 'what we are focusing on'
    • From this they infer that Turbine is not longer catering to raiders.


    Unless I am missing something or a seperate answer, the question remains unanswered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shumzuda View Post
    • It implies that there is no group content under development, where before Turbine spoke about a 12-18 month development time.
    There is no implication. We have flatly stated there is no instance cluster/raid planned for 2014. We've said that many times. The 12-18 months comment did not come from us. That's player speculation on how long it may take to build such content. We gave no time frames beyond the statement that 2014 would hold no such content.

    That really does wrap this up.

 

 

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