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  1. #126

    Where's Jinjaah? We miss you

    If you cant update defiler in this update, can you at least fix the 5min flip sides timer? Whats the use of a 5min lock out from the moors if a map can by pass it? (this is only able on freepside)

    Update the flip restriction to either 15-30 and make sure that it doesnt get bi-passed by the map to GV.

    Its not that much of an effort. Doesnt even take 30 seconds to change 5 into 15
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinjaah View Post
    Well its a little unfair to twist that quote that way but what it comes down to is time. The quote is in reference to the Defiler being the top priority for the healing pass we were planning. That doesn't mean he was the top of everything else. As I mentioned before I am trying to squeeze everything in I can and if we can take a look at healing, the defiler will get top priority.

    Although I do like Sniz's suggestions mentioned above about potential fixes that are a little smaller in scope, but like stickieez alluded to, it is no small amount of work.

    -Jinjaah

    I think it is fair to ask why defilers are being ignored. Defilers (and weavers in their own way) are worthless these days. Why not delay the update and actually fix what was promised?
    What can it hurt to increase defiler dps/hps, shorten our cooldowns and inductions, increase our debuffs? Defilers are at the bottom of every list: Everyone can out DPS a defiler. Warleader heals and rezzes are better/bigger/quicker. Weavers and wargs can more effectively debuff and slow freeps. Defilers can blight and fear, look out!
    The only thing I can guarantee is that if you accidentally made defilers even remotely as powerful as a captain or minstrel (Massive dps/bleeds + massive heals + survivability) there would be a nerf patch within hours. It's obvious where the love is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by avengingbananaslug View Post
    Reavers can solo tr/lug/or
    All for naught..autoflips give em right back..mostly to freeps in my experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcwen View Post
    Thanks Jinjaah for responding

    A small problem with finesse is that it effects classes that cannot block more than those that can, something to take in mind as well.

    Finally, can perhaps the damage types in terms of traits be reversed? So that orc-craft/fell-wrought needs a trait slot while the tactical variant is default, especially now the newer types are more effective, and still will be because of debuffs. It seems weird that you have to trait for the lesser version.
    Finesse is not a small problem. Its a huge problem. Freeps have easily 3 times as much as Creeps.
    Seriously, you want to nerf Creeps more by making them use up a trait slot to have Orc / Fell Wrought damage?? Default em with the most mitigated damage type there is.

    Then i noticed your signature..and the penny dropped..so nvm.
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  5. #130
    Quote Originally Posted by Archambaud View Post
    Defilers can blight and fear, look out!
    Then realize we can't even do that -- blight does nothing (-75% is nothing compared to freep healing), and fear is greyed out half the time (because LM silence has no cooldown).
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  6. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by Jinjaah View Post
    Autoflips are something that we are looking into. There is a problem there but its not easy for us to track down.
    I don't understand why it isn't really simple... but what seems clear to me is, that if you ( or whoever 'us' is ) cant track that down, its not surprising it takes so long to fix ( attempt to fix ) things people think are easy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Archambaud View Post
    Defilers can blight and fear, look out!
    My rank7 defiler ( which I bought enhanced blight with - thinking it might be useful ) has her blight resisted easily 60% of the time by freeps ( that's being consevervative - sure feels like more ).
    I don't think there is anything I can do about it corruption wise etc ? Could be wrong if someone can correct me, thx in advance.
    Most of the time now i just wait for a freep to be near a NPC and drop it on the NPC... makes me feel stupid when I wait so long for the induction...cross my fingers...and more often than not..resisted....its really depressing, not to mention the 2&1/2 second induction for my 'Big' heal ( of less than 10k ) , which when someone if focussed by more than 1 or 2 freeps, is just a waste of induction time, as they will be dead long before the heal can get off.

    Probably best to log it into a raid, use it's OP crit defence buff, then roll a WarleaderL if I want to heal. Is that what most people do now?

  7. #132
    Quote Originally Posted by Sniz View Post
    Then realize we can't even do that -- blight does nothing (-75% is nothing compared to freep healing), and fear is greyed out half the time (because LM silence has no cooldown).
    On my server (Vilya) 95% of the freeps never saw blight. If it doesnt get resisted (like 10% of the times) the freeps just melt because they tend to ball up in blight. Someone mentioned before "defiler only got blight and fear". Well to me it looks like defiler got only "anointing of the slick flesh".



    Quote Originally Posted by mieka View Post
    I don't understand why it isn't really simple... but what seems clear to me is, that if you ( or whoever 'us' is ) cant track that down, its not surprising it takes so long to fix ( attempt to fix ) things people think are easy.

    My rank7 defiler ( which I bought enhanced blight with - thinking it might be useful ) has her blight resisted easily 60% of the time by freeps ( that's being consevervative - sure feels like more ).
    I don't think there is anything I can do about it corruption wise etc ? Could be wrong if someone can correct me, thx in advance.
    Most of the time now i just wait for a freep to be near a NPC and drop it on the NPC... makes me feel stupid when I wait so long for the induction...cross my fingers...and more often than not..resisted....its really depressing, not to mention the 2&1/2 second induction for my 'Big' heal ( of less than 10k ) , which when someone if focussed by more than 1 or 2 freeps, is just a waste of induction time, as they will be dead long before the heal can get off.

    Probably best to log it into a raid, use it's OP crit defence buff, then roll a WarleaderL if I want to heal. Is that what most people do now?
    Best bet to use blight on is RK stones or lore-master pets. I still find defiler usefull in a balanced group. The are great for doing the 'footwork' and supporting the warleaders. I did roll a warleader with the start of HD, i agree the heals are great (if you got all the skills) but it takes too long for the skills to come off cooldown
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  8. #133
    Question for Jinjaah?

    so if you now barely have time to "squeeze" in the defiler changes that you said were at the "top priority", what has the top notch PvP development team been working on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by germcell View Post
    Question for Jinjaah?

    so if you now barely have time to "squeeze" in the defiler changes that you said were at the "top priority", what has the top notch PvP development team been working on?
    What PvP development team? To the best of my knowledge Jinjaah is the primary if not the only PvMP dev at present, and his responsibilities at this point likely extend beyond the realm of PvP.

    Like it or not PvE fixes and balance have always taken a priority over PvP.
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  10. #135
    Quote Originally Posted by Crell_1 View Post
    What PvP development team?
    you mean to tell me that all the VIP pvp'er subs only pay for one part time dev for pvp development? how mismanaged is this company?

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    Quote Originally Posted by germcell View Post
    you mean to tell me that all the VIP pvp'er subs only pay for one part time dev for pvp development? how mismanaged is this company?
    The active pvp population of this game is somewhere between 0-3% of the total population.

    Just saying...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sezneg View Post
    The active pvp population of this game is somewhere between 0-3% of the total population.

    Just saying...
    And yet, pvp isn't free. Weird, huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sezneg View Post
    The active pvp population of this game is somewhere between 0-3% of the total population.

    Just saying...
    Might as well get the single digit range potential right. 0-9%. (Who knows if thats players who've ever entered the moors [even as a Freever!], percentage of players subscribing who PvMPed during thier sub, or what.. so many options.)
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  14. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by Archambaud View Post
    I think it is fair to ask why defilers are being ignored. Defilers (and weavers in their own way) are worthless these days. Why not delay the update and actually fix what was promised?
    What can it hurt to increase defiler dps/hps, shorten our cooldowns and inductions, increase our debuffs? Defilers are at the bottom of every list: Everyone can out DPS a defiler. Warleader heals and rezzes are better/bigger/quicker. Weavers and wargs can more effectively debuff and slow freeps. Defilers can blight and fear, look out!
    The only thing I can guarantee is that if you accidentally made defilers even remotely as powerful as a captain or minstrel (Massive dps/bleeds + massive heals + survivability) there would be a nerf patch within hours. It's obvious where the love is.
    I feel your pain! Yesterday a Mini and Burg blew me up before FR induction went off, sad My Defiler was my main until this B.S. now I play Wl but I miss playing the def. I feel sorry for the creeps who have spent Turbine points for this class and I understand why some are quitting. I know I won't drop another dime into lotro until things are balanced. I've been playing the Moors for about a year and on creepside for six months; you are absolutely right the love is on freepside!
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  15. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by Sezneg View Post
    The active pvp population of this game is somewhere between 0-3% of the total population.

    Just saying...
    maybe if they fixed and promoted the awesome pvp and didnt cater to the carebears it would be higher than 10%.

    edit: ~65% of the Server forums threads are PvP related, that has to mean something.
    Last edited by germcell; Mar 05 2014 at 10:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinjaah View Post
    We are looking at a time based unlock.

    -Jinjaah
    why time based?? why not let us buy a freep into the moors like creepside???

  17. #142
    Quote Originally Posted by germcell View Post
    maybe if they fixed and promoted the awesome pvp and didnt cater to the carebears it would be higher than 10%.

    edit: ~65% of the Server forums threads are PvP related, that has to mean something.
    well, 90% of the people that post on the forums are complaining about something, so it would make sense that 65% of the whining is coming from moors.

    And 60% of the time, sex panther works, every time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrfigglesworth View Post
    well, 90% of the people that post on the forums are complaining about something, so it would make sense that 65% of the whining is coming from moors.

    And 60% of the time, sex panther works, every time.
    THAT just made my day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crell_1 View Post
    Might as well get the single digit range potential right. 0-9%. (Who knows if thats players who've ever entered the moors [even as a Freever!], percentage of players subscribing who PvMPed during thier sub, or what.. so many options.)
    It's been described as very low in the single digits. Who knows if they'll ever publicly clarify. I'd put my coin on well under 5%

    Quote Originally Posted by germcell View Post
    edit: ~65% of the Server forums threads are PvP related, that has to mean something.
    PVPers by far more vocal than their actual game representation. Common in many games actually.

    Quote Originally Posted by HUEHUEHUE View Post
    why time based?? why not let us buy a freep into the moors like creepside???
    Only fair way to do it is based on time, so that the exchange value is constant. If you sell it by "day", it can impact when people choose to buy it and how often (more likely to wait for weekends or full day off to get maximum value). As long as the price is realistic, I think this is a good move, actually. People on a time budget should have good incentives to get out and make action happen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sezneg View Post
    Only fair way to do it is based on time, so that the exchange value is constant. If you sell it by "day", it can impact when people choose to buy it and how often (more likely to wait for weekends or full day off to get maximum value). As long as the price is realistic, I think this is a good move, actually. People on a time budget should have good incentives to get out and make action happen.
    I think what you're suggesting is what should have been done for creep classes as well, although HUE was suggesting one-time purchase rather than "per day" access.

    In response to HUE, however, I don't think we'll see them given unlimited access to freepside until the game is getting ready to stop development and go into maintenance mode. A cheap, one-time purchase isn't sustainable income for the game. Unfortunately, while the method Sezneg describes would probably be the best model to use (in my opinion), this forthcoming option to buy limited-access freep passes just brings to light again how unfair the current system has been for people who prefer to access freep over creep. And it will continue to be unfair, because it simply won't work for the game to have a one-time unlock for freeps as we would drop even more VIPs, just like we did when creeps went premium. Maybe we'd be in a better place if premium, time-based access had been released for both sides simultaneously...I don't know, but that's my hunch. Too late to try, but I wish we could have given it a go before making permanent unlocks available to anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aranedain View Post
    A cheap, one-time purchase isn't sustainable income for the game.
    It shouldn't really matter either way if 3%~ of sub revenue come from Pvpers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Priestetute View Post
    It shouldn't really matter either way if 3%~ of sub revenue come from Pvpers.
    Well, this gets into semantics.

    100% of their VIP revenue comes from people with ACCESS to pvp, even if not a lot of them actually partake.

    I think the idea here is to try to hook people on the margins into going PVP to add more VIP, and moors freeping is one of the few VIP perks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sezneg View Post
    It's been described as very low in the single digits. Who knows if they'll ever publicly clarify. I'd put my coin on well under 5%.
    A valid point, but I'd be willing to bet that while PvPers and raiders represent only a small percentage of the total player population, they spend far more money in Turbine's store than any other group. I know raiders who have spent literally thousands of dollars in Turbine's store. Think about how much money Turbine has made selling skills and maps to creeps, as well. While these groups represent only a small percentage of the population, they likely represent a very large percentage of Turbine's revenue!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nouri View Post
    A valid point, but I'd be willing to bet that while PvPers and raiders represent only a small percentage of the total player population, they spend far more money in Turbine's store than any other group. I know raiders who have spent literally thousands of dollars in Turbine's store. Think about how much money Turbine has made selling skills and maps to creeps, as well. While these groups represent only a small percentage of the population, they likely represent a very large percentage of Turbine's revenue!
    If that were remotely true then Turbine would be catering more to those groups, not giving the bare minimum(or lower) and then scaling back even more. The fact that solo/duos are getting the bulk of attention would indicate that they are where the money is, or at least the majority of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sezneg View Post
    I think the idea here is to try to hook people on the margins into going PVP to add more VIP, and moors freeping is one of the few VIP perks.
    Clearly that isn't working considering the percentage of the population is still in the single digits. They can't be making a substantial amount of money from VIPs strictly subbing for pvp. And if they removed the access from VIP perks, subs would relatively be at the same volume.
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