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  1. #326
    I wonder if you could maybe think of doing this kind of thing in reverse server order next time.... It seems that there is a real learning curve and obviously the closer we get to the end, these servers have the advantage of what preceded to gain an edge...

    Taking nothing away from Eldar though.... awesome run.
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    This event is a marvellous idea and really great fun! - THANK YOU, Sapience!

    As far as I understood, there is always an "official" picture taken on the steps of Orthanc. Are these stored anywhere we can have a look at them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TearMaker View Post
    I wonder if you could maybe think of doing this kind of thing in reverse server order next time.... It seems that there is a real learning curve and obviously the closer we get to the end, these servers have the advantage of what preceded to gain an edge...

    Taking nothing away from Eldar though.... awesome run.
    By being one of the last servers, yes you have a more realistic time to try and beat, but that doesn't necessarily mean you learn from other people. There was a hell of a lot of organisation and coordination involved in our run. We spent about 2 weeks planning it, did multiple test runs with the group and our own hobbit volunteer. We timed each part of the run to see how it would vary if we changed the route in this way or that. By the time we did our run last night, the route was fine-tuned as best we could, and everyone in the escort group knew the route like the back of their hands. Outside of the main escort group we also had about 30+ other players scattered along the route keeping certain locations clear of mobs. That sort of coordination can not be learned from watching previous streams.

    Eldar is a very competative server, and we work well together to get a job done. If we had to do a different escort event and were the first to do the run, we would certainly go to the same effort to get the best route and fastest time as we did in this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galuhad View Post
    By being one of the last servers, yes you have a more realistic time to try and beat, but that doesn't necessarily mean you learn from other people. There was a hell of a lot of organisation and coordination involved in our run. We spent about 2 weeks planning it, did multiple test runs with the group and our own hobbit volunteer. We timed each part of the run to see how it would vary if we changed the route in this way or that. By the time we did our run last night, the route was fine-tuned as best we could, and everyone in the escort group knew the route like the back of their hands. Outside of the main escort group we also had about 30+ other players scattered along the route keeping certain locations clear of mobs. That sort of coordination can not be learned from watching previous streams.

    Eldar is a very competative server, and we work well together to get a job done. If we had to do a different escort event and were the first to do the run, we would certainly go to the same effort to get the best route and fastest time as we did in this one.
    My main server was the first to do it and I would be classed as quite involved in most things lotro and I didn't even know this was happening until after it was done. So the fact that you have had months to prepare and try routes and get organized sort of confirms my original point.
    But if they do the next iteration in reverse order next time that will be fine as we will be last...

    Again, let me iterate that you did a fine job and it was fun, although I think you could have given Sapience a harder time with the questions.... you sort of run dry towards the end...... one needs to keep him on his toes.
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  5. #330
    Quote Originally Posted by TearMaker View Post
    Again, let me iterate that you did a fine job and it was fun, although I think you could have given Sapience a harder time with the questions.... you sort of run dry towards the end...... one needs to keep him on his toes.
    I didn't get 2 ask any I was 2 busy running my hobbit ### off

  6. #331
    Quote Originally Posted by TearMaker View Post
    I wonder if you could maybe think of doing this kind of thing in reverse server order next time.... It seems that there is a real learning curve and obviously the closer we get to the end, these servers have the advantage of what preceded to gain an edge...

    Taking nothing away from Eldar though.... awesome run.
    No doubt that first servers had a dissadvatage, but the fact is that organization does make the difference!
    Anduin was the 13th server completed the event and had the lead (47min 15sec). Eldar was the 25th server who done this event and took the lead (46min 06sec).
    What about the 11 servers in between????They should have had better time than Anduin...but they didnt!!!
    Meneldor, which was right after Anduin, was almost 15mins more than Anduin ( 1h 4min 42sec)...not to mention No.20 Firefoot ( 1h 51min 37 sec 1death)!!!
    On the other hand, Crickhollow was the 4th server done this event, completed in a very decent time (1h 2min 31sec)!

    So, i dont really see that learning curve you mention....more like lack of organization maybe!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagorod View Post
    So, i dont really see that learning curve you mention....more like lack of organization maybe!!!
    Or lack of momentum that earlier runs had due to just being aware that this was going on.
    It is obvious some servers are going to better organized, some servers are like ghost towns nowadays...

    Sapience said last night that the only thing the fastest server will get is bragging rights. What? the right to brag that you had more time to prepare or are a busier server.

    The best thing to come from this, is quality time to QA with Sapience and the odd Dev. (I don't mean you're odd Rowan, erm, or do I?)

    That is invaluable and by far and away the best thing the community team has ever done. Big thumbs up guys...... I hope this carries on in another regular format and not just the odd round table every now and then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TearMaker View Post
    The best thing to come from this, is quality time to QA with Sapience and the odd Dev. (I don't mean you're odd Rowan, erm, or do I?)

    That is invaluable and by far and away the best thing the community team has ever done. Big thumbs up guys...... I hope this carries on in another regular format and not just the odd round table every now and then.
    Absolutely. It's a fantastic way for players to interact with the folks at Turbine and be able to ask questions etc.
    Twitch is a great platform for people to come together and share a common passion (in this case LotRO), so more streams of various content would be most welcome.
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    The last few comments

    The last few comments illustrate why I really don't WANT to see concrete rewards attached to this sort of sequential server event.

    The point is the fun, and the community building both within the server itself and the larger Lotro community (including the devs), as far as I am concerned.

    I fear concrete rewards will lead to some very divisive and contentious arguments about whether the folks at the front end of the list were treated fairly, or the ones at the end of the list "cheated" by messing with someone else's runs-accusations I've already seen and what soured me on visiting other servers for their runs.

    Leave it at bragging rights for the fastest servers. The real reward is contained within the event itself. With the possible exception of the BR run, with extra BALROG DEATHS!!!
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  10. #335
    We did practice and Gals organisation was superb.

    Im not sure how fast we wudve been had we gone 1st but I know we wud still have put in the same amount of effort. We have had kins take chickens 2 isengard and imo thats a lot harder than a hobbit

    I think all servers have done themselves proud with the support they have shown and energy and time they have given this event. Do not turn this post into server vs server pls or be negative in any1s efforts saying its not fair etc etc, some1 always has 2 go 1st and some1 also has the lucky job of going last, altho I guess that wud put added pressure as they know wot time 2 beat!

    Its been fun and now a long wait to see if the other 5 servers can beat us!

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    Eldar... you let a chicken die at the gate. The two trolls respawned. I could run them. At the steps there were still about a dozen high level characters. Nobody would follow me. White Stallions can not talk to humans, but I could hear the chicken's death tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TearMaker View Post
    Or lack of momentum that earlier runs had due to just being aware that this was going on.
    It is obvious some servers are going to better organized, some servers are like ghost towns nowadays...

    Sapience said last night that the only thing the fastest server will get is bragging rights. What? the right to brag that you had more time to prepare or are a busier server.
    Eldar is just an average server when it comes to population and busyness. There's no doubt that the only reason why we outshone other high population servers like Brandywine and Landroval is only due to the efficient organization of our players and the brilliant team-work and co-ordination by the other players who did their best to support the organizers. It had absolutely nothing to do with a 'learning curve' that servers which finish towards the end will have, the only difference that these servers have is that the pressure to perform will be much higher since the time will be much shorter than the servers which had finished earlier. Personally, I hope there is some kind of recognition given to the server which finishes first for all the hardwork and effort put in by all the players, even if this is naming that server as the 'most recommended' one. Whether its Eldar that makes it all the way to the end or another server that comes up with yet another surprise, I think its only fair to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FailedWish View Post
    Eldar... you let a chicken die at the gate. The two trolls respawned. I could run them. At the steps there were still about a dozen high level characters. Nobody would follow me. White Stallions can not talk to humans, but I could hear the chicken's death tell.
    Sorry about that. It was quite a hectic run with too much to focus on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FailedWish View Post
    Eldar... you let a chicken die at the gate.
    Mourns the chicken.

    Gets out the frying pan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renju View Post
    There's no doubt that the only reason why we outshone other high population servers like Brandywine and Landroval is only due to the efficient organization of our players and the brilliant team-work and co-ordination by the other players who did their best to support the organizers.
    Really? The only reason?

    Nothing like blowing smoke up ones own posterior.

    If you really believe that you have learned nothing from previous runs then you are slightly deluded. It is impossible to say that. How about not crowding follower and followee? How about not having to many mounted? How about not displaying cloaks? How about not crowding through bottlenecks? These are just the basic tips that have been learned since those first runs.

    The funny thing is that I actually said twice in two separate posts that you did a brilliant job and I really respected the guys who organized and the fact that you didn't seem to have any idiots who wanted to sabotage.

    What a difference a few posts can make. Looks like the idiots waited until after the run to sabotage - your servers reputation.


    Next event - reverse the server running order for fairness please.

    That was my last comment on this subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TearMaker View Post
    Really? The only reason?

    If you really believe that you have learned nothing from previous runs then you are slightly deluded. It is impossible to say that. How about not crowding follower and followee? How about not having to many mounted? How about not displaying cloaks?

    Peace
    I haven't seen any live streaming of TTHTI or read any posts giving tips for a faster run and I was in Eldars group with no cloak on. Always has been my personal choice to go cloakless.
    Eldar has quite a high population of moors players, you can still find creeps/freeps in the early hours so we know how to reduce lag effects.

    Some may have seen and gotten hints/tips I don't know but the fact is we did have peeps on horses we did have lag at some points in Dunland and Trollshaws I didn't even know if I was still next to Hadacar until the game caught up.

    Think you taking this a bit hard and sounding like a sore loser. Some1 always has to go first and we also have peeps after us so im sure we will have an exciting few weeks.

    Its not like we get a title or anything its just a bit of fun.

    Btw imho it really wudnt have made a difference if we were first as Eldar has done something similar before, but with chickens as im sure you've read Vargs post with Metalheads of Mordor. Do not underestimate the work and time Galuhad put into this event and how the server supported us
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    Quote Originally Posted by TearMaker View Post
    Really? The only reason?

    Nothing like blowing smoke up ones own posterior.

    If you really believe that you have learned nothing from previous runs then you are slightly deluded. It is impossible to say that. How about not crowding follower and followee? How about not having to many mounted? How about not displaying cloaks? How about not crowding through bottlenecks? These are just the basic tips that have been learned since those first runs.
    I wish Eldar could avoid mounts and cloaks surrounding the Hobbit. We did fail at that. According to comments from multiple observers and Sapience himself (watch the recording for a proof) we had more mounted followers than escort groups on other servers. It is quite difficult to control the crowd and having more time to prepare does not help in that respect. We still had a lot of people who were not even aware of what is going on, who learnt about the run only on the day of the Hobbit run and who completely ignored the requests and recommendations to minimize the lag. If not the amazing organisation skills of Galuhad and initiative of other players, we would not stand a chance.

    Of course, having at least some idea of the best time from other servers helped with the server spirit and motivation. It is easier to have some sort of a reference and to know that in the ideal setting without any lag and disruptive actions of ill-wishers you can beat that (test runs proved that). It is hard to be the very first server, but after that whether you are number 5 or 25 does not matter much. If anything, back in January I believed that by the time TTHTI comes to Eldar all players will be so tired of this event that it would get no attention at all. Because of that I personally had no interest in watching or following earlier runs, this whole activity felt so distant that it simply did not matter. Most likely I was not alone in my feelings, and now I am very happy to see that I was wrong. Though I still hope that Eldar will be in the beginning of a participation list for the next event.

    And, of course, I wish all the best to the few servers who are still going to welcome and protect the Hobbit. There is still a lot of room for improvement and times under 46 minutes are definitely possible. Good luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deniorona View Post
    Think you taking this a bit hard and sounding like a sore loser. Some1 always has to go first and we also have peeps after us so im sure we will have an exciting few weeks.

    Its not like we get a title or anything its just a bit of fun.

    Btw imho it really wudnt have made a difference if we were first as Eldar has done something similar before, but with chickens as im sure you've read Vargs post with Metalheads of Mordor. Do not underestimate the work and time Galuhad put into this event and how the server supported us
    Fully agree with you Deniorona, TearMaker simply cant put this behind himself and just cant get the point. The fact is that every server that was in the competition after Anduin or even the ones that started after the top three had an equal chance to 'learn' what they could from it and it wasnt just Eldar that could take advantage from it. Also, like you said, its clearly evident from the video that a lot of people were using mounts and cloaks, and not to mention crowding around Hadacar which did create a few hiccups. We got top place inspite of all this only because of the awesome teamwork shown by the players, this also explains your point that there wasnt anyone who wanted to 'sabotage' the run...it was simply because we all wanted Eldar to win it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deniorona View Post
    I haven't seen any live streaming of TTHTI or read any posts giving tips for a faster run and I was in Eldars group with no cloak on. Always has been my personal choice to go cloakless.
    Eldar has quite a high population of moors players, you can still find creeps/freeps in the early hours so we know how to reduce lag effects.

    Some may have seen and gotten hints/tips I don't know but the fact is we did have peeps on horses we did have lag at some points in Dunland and Trollshaws I didn't even know if I was still next to Hadacar until the game caught up.

    Think you taking this a bit hard and sounding like a sore loser. Some1 always has to go first and we also have peeps after us so im sure we will have an exciting few weeks.

    Its not like we get a title or anything its just a bit of fun.

    Btw imho it really wudnt have made a difference if we were first as Eldar has done something similar before, but with chickens as im sure you've read Vargs post with Metalheads of Mordor. Do not underestimate the work and time Galuhad put into this event and how the server supported us
    Quote Originally Posted by Renju View Post
    Fully agree with you Deniorona, TearMaker simply cant put this behind himself and just cant get the point. The fact is that every server that was in the competition after Anduin or even the ones that started after the top three had an equal chance to 'learn' what they could from it and it wasnt just Eldar that could take advantage from it. Also, like you said, its clearly evident from the video that a lot of people were using mounts and cloaks, and not to mention crowding around Hadacar which did create a few hiccups. We got top place inspite of all this only because of the awesome teamwork shown by the players, this also explains your point that there wasnt anyone who wanted to 'sabotage' the run...it was simply because we all wanted Eldar to win it!
    I have just read back Tearbaker' posts and he has had nothing but respect for Eldar and your run. I think you are being a little prissy about the whole thing.
    I also think it is fair to reverse the server order next time. I can't see why you are getting into a tizz over it.

    Calling someone out as a "sore loser" breaks the CoC IMO but even if not he already stated that he missed his servers run because they were first and he didn't know it was happening. And he is an active player.
    So, if an active player wasn't aware of the very first run, how many more players were not??

    Being first has its disadvantages abound and I also think it is fair that it's rotated even if to give players time to be aware of it even happening.

    I don't think this is about the need to win at all. (except by those few prissy ones)
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    I think this is getting perhaps a little out-of-hand.

    Eldar is a proud server and I think people are taking the comments about our run too much to heart. People are entitled to their opinions, but we should not let them get to us at a time where we should be celebrating
    I fear we may end up undoing all the good that has come from taking first place.
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    Congratulations to Eldar! What an amazing time, especially considering it's like herding cats to organize people in an open world setting.

    Definitely a time to celebrate the accomplishment. Great job to all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galuhad View Post
    I think this is getting perhaps a little out-of-hand.

    Eldar is a proud server and I think people are taking the comments about our run too much to heart. People are entitled to their opinions, but we should not let them get to us at a time where we should be celebrating
    I fear we may end up undoing all the good that has come from taking first place.
    Quote Originally Posted by Galuhad View Post
    but we should not let them get to us
    ^^How very passive aggressive of you lol^^

    Considering the poster never criticized any of you but in fact praised you, this makes me laugh. The poster made a comment and a quite a valid one and for some reason you all jumped to the wrong conclusion and treated him as though he was criticizing your server. Some people need to remember this is a game not war. It's supposed to be fun.

    Now let me bang your heads together, make up and then I'm sure Eldar will volunteer to be first server next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mithelenthor View Post
    ^^How very passive aggressive of you lol^^
    I'm sorry, I did not intend for it to come across that way. I just want us to move on from the conversation, that is all.
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    Thumbs up

    Well Landroval had all the time and fair notice we coukd ask for, and our time was still pretty underwhelming. Leadership and preparation (the latter following from the former) are key predictors of performance in group activities. So congrats to Eldar and Galuhad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LabadalofDorlomin View Post
    Calling someone out as a "sore loser" breaks the CoC IMO but even if not he already stated that he missed his servers run because they were first and he didn't know it was happening. And he is an active player.
    So, if an active player wasn't aware of the very first run, how many more players were not??

    Being first has its disadvantages abound and I also think it is fair that it's rotated even if to give players time to be aware of it even happening.

    I don't think this is about the need to win at all. (except by those few prissy ones)
    sounding like is not the same as calling btw and yes I have read the CoC.....but theres a lot of backhanded compliments there.

    I will say again the servers have done amazingly well and this event has brought players who wudnt normally fellow with each other 2gether. and something we can talk about for ages.

    If peeps didn't know about the event earlier mayb we can suggest that on the next live stream. In anycase I cant stress enuf that Eldar wudve been prepared no matter wot the order.

    Reversing the next time is a gud idea. suggest it. (is prissy a derogatory term against the CoC?)

 

 
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