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    Palantiris!

    the game has AWESOME landscapes, i'd love to see them from a flying POV.

    allowing the use of palantiris someday would be the cherry on top of the cake for LOTRO. players would be able to see things as they never imagine from the ground...

    imagine how awesome minas tirith will be, and how even more awesome it would be to view it from above!

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    Your character uses a Palantir. You will come under the control of Sauron. IIRC - Aragorn is the only person that has the strength of will to avoid falling under Sauron's control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yula_the_Mighty View Post
    Your character uses a Palantir. You will come under the control of Sauron. IIRC - Aragorn is the only person that has the strength of will to avoid falling under Sauron's control.
    dont forget pippin

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    Pippin did not so much ressit it at all, but rather given to limited exposure.

    In all essences the advantage was in Sauron's hands when Pippin picked it up - but incorrect translation can make anyone fall, and Sauron misunderstood what he saw and acted over excitedly thinking he saw the ring-bearer.

    And Pippin was dismarmed of the object before Sauron could get his excitement in check and start mind poking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lashmore View Post
    Pippin did not so much ressit it at all, but rather given to limited exposure.

    In all essences the advantage was in Sauron's hands when Pippin picked it up - but incorrect translation can make anyone fall, and Sauron misunderstood what he saw and acted over excitedly thinking he saw the ring-bearer.
    As this link points out,

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...ty-kjnjrNgIAAA

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    /signed

    Even if we have to wait until after Sauron is defeated, I still think it's a great idea!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beleg View Post
    /signed

    Even if we have to wait until after Sauron is defeated, I still think it's a great idea!
    After Sauron is defeated, one of the Hobbits says to Gandalf, "I wish we could each have a
    palantir, to talk to our friends with."

    Gandalf says, "Even if you could, there is only one that you can use*, for you would not want
    to see what the Stone of Minas Anor** would show you."

    And all the rest are buried or drowned.

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    *The Stone of Isengard, which Aragorn had turned to his own purpose.
    **Denethor's stone, which unless one were very strong-willed, would show
    nothing but a pair of aged hands withering in flame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djheydt View Post
    The Stone of Isengard, which Aragorn had turned to his own purpose.
    Right; we could use that one (after Sauron is defeated).

    The palantiri of Amon Sul and Annuminas were lost with Arvedui in Fornost. We could possibly recover one of those; like we recovered the ring of Barahir.

    The stone of Osgiliath was lost in the Anduin; we could recover that one.

    Obviously our use of it could only be temporary; we wouldn't be able to permanently recover one of the lost stones.
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    Eagles!

    Wouldn't travel by Eagle solve some of that .. I'm not suggesting we hook up an Eagle Stable/Taxi Service but a session play or instance rescued by the eagles might be cool one day
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jillymala View Post
    Eagles!

    Wouldn't travel by Eagle solve some of that .. I'm not suggesting we hook up an Eagle Stable/Taxi Service but a session play or instance rescued by the eagles might be cool one day
    The Great Eagles do not carry just anyone. They are Maiar in avian form, just as the Wizards are
    Maiar in human form. We have, in the texts, three examples of people being carried by Eagles,
    and in each case they are either Gandalf, or Gandalf plus some friends. Gandalf once saved the
    life of the chief Eagle, Gwaihir, who felt an obligation to return the favour, not once but three times--
    for as the Ring fell, Gandalf said to him, 'Twice you have borne me; once more shall pay for all;'
    and Gwaihir, Landroval, and Meneldor flew to Mount Doom to carry Gandalf there and back, and
    Frodo and Sam to safety.

    And besides, as I said, Gandalf is a fellow Maia.

    Travel hither and thither in an Eagle's claws is not supported by the Lore. As for communicating
    with your friends in-game, that's what /tell and other chat channels are for.
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    well... we fought the witch king of angmar, aided the retaken of moria, fought in mirkwood and along the riders of rohan, now we are defending helms deep and in the future, we'll fight agains sauron...

    i think its unfair saying that we are just "anyones"...


    anyway, all i want are epic views of the amazing landscapes throughout middle earth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyzonu View Post
    well... we fought the witch king of angmar, aided the retaken of moria, fought in mirkwood and along the riders of rohan, now we are defending helms deep and in the future, we'll fight agains sauron...

    i think its unfair saying that we are just "anyones"...
    But neither are our characters a 'someone' the way Gandalf is. He's the only guy in the whole of Middle-earth whom the Eagles would help like that.

    anyway, all i want are epic views of the amazing landscapes throughout middle earth.
    They wouldn't be epic, they're not built to be viewed from above so there'd be problems all over the place where the landscape designers have taken short-cuts. (In much the same way that the 'classic' zones in WoW weren't flight-friendly - they had to be entirely rebuilt before flying mounts could be used there).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyzonu View Post
    well... we fought the witch king of angmar, aided the retaken of moria, fought in mirkwood and along the riders of rohan, now we are defending helms deep and in the future, we'll fight agains sauron...
    Yes, but ..... so did everybody else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyzonu View Post
    well... we fought the witch king of angmar, aided the retaken of moria, fought in mirkwood and along the riders of rohan, now we are defending helms deep and in the future, we'll fight agains sauron...

    i think its unfair saying that we are just "anyones"...


    anyway, all i want are epic views of the amazing landscapes throughout middle earth.
    You would not be able to get those epic views anyway. You can only view through a Palantir in a straight line from where you are - you can't move the viewpoint around the object you wish to observe - so no viewing from above unless you are situated at a very high place yourself.
    If you want to see the landscape from above you would be better off trying to persuade one of the Great Eagles to carry you aloft, or try to figure out where the Nazgul got their flying steeds from, and see if you can get one for yourself. (Neither course of action is likely to succeed however.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ertr View Post
    You would not be able to get those epic views anyway. You can only view through a Palantir in a straight line from where you are - you can't move the viewpoint around the object you wish to observe - so no viewing from above unless you are situated at a very high place yourself.
    If you want to see the landscape from above you would be better off trying to persuade one of the Great Eagles to carry you aloft, or try to figure out where the Nazgul got their flying steeds from, and see if you can get one for yourself. (Neither course of action is likely to succeed however.)
    Or climb a mountain. Anyone want to recommend some really tall mountains,
    whose peaks we can reach, and from which the landscape isn't obscured by even
    taller mountains? (I realize this leaves out most of Angmar.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ertr View Post
    You can only view through a Palantir in a straight line from where you are - you can't move the viewpoint around the object you wish to observe
    So you're saying it works sort of like a super powerful telescope that can see through objects? What lore do you base that claim on?

    That's now how I recall the description of Aragorn using his.

    In addition to being able to view things, they were also one-to-one communication devices (except for the "chief" palantir, which ws able to able to "observe" two others communicating).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beleg View Post
    So you're saying it works sort of like a super powerful telescope that can see through objects? What lore do you base that claim on?

    That's now how I recall the description of Aragorn using his.

    In addition to being able to view things, they were also one-to-one communication devices (except for the "chief" palantir, which ws able to able to "observe" two others communicating).
    I base that on the chapter about the Palantirs that is found in Unfinished Tales. That is the only place I know of that gives any real information about how the Palantirs are used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djheydt View Post
    The Great Eagles do not carry just anyone. They are Maiar in avian form, just as the Wizards are
    Maiar in human form. We have, in the texts, three examples of people being carried by Eagles,
    and in each case they are either Gandalf, or Gandalf plus some friends. Gandalf once saved the
    life of the chief Eagle, Gwaihir, who felt an obligation to return the favour, not once but three times--
    for as the Ring fell, Gandalf said to him, 'Twice you have borne me; once more shall pay for all;'
    and Gwaihir, Landroval, and Meneldor flew to Mount Doom to carry Gandalf there and back, and
    Frodo and Sam to safety.

    And besides, as I said, Gandalf is a fellow Maia.

    Travel hither and thither in an Eagle's claws is not supported by the Lore. As for communicating
    with your friends in-game, that's what /tell and other chat channels are for.
    Well its great we aren't breaking lore in this game at all and sticking to it point by point.. especially with regions like Wildemore and .. Nurzum.. oh wait... If they are such sticklers they could make it a dream sequence that way people wouldn't get all up in arms over lore breaking.
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    After re-reading The Palantiri chapter in Unfinished Tales, I agree with ertr.

    The lesser palantiri had to be oriented (very like a telescope), and had preferred distances (e.g. 500 miles) at which they worked best. "Focusing" them could be done, but was not easy. In any case, as cool as this suggestion sounds, I must agree the palantiri would not be suitable for what the OP wanted.

    Probably would be better off with session play as a giant eagle, for that sort of top-down view.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beleg View Post
    Probably would be better off with session play as a giant eagle, for that sort of top-down view.
    [Emphasis mine.]

    Yes! This would give a marvelous view of the world beneath the sky, without
    the discomfort associated with being carried in the Eagle's talons, which are
    undoubtedly rather sharp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djheydt View Post


    Travel hither and thither in an Eagle's claws is not supported by the Lore. As for communicating
    with your friends in-game, that's what /tell and other chat channels are for.

    There are numerous lore breaks in this game so your statement regarding "lore" is rather silly...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackheart-Fury View Post
    There are numerous lore breaks in this game so your statement regarding "lore" is rather silly...
    The fact that there are several Lore breaks in the game already does not
    justify putting in more of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djheydt View Post
    The fact that there are several Lore breaks in the game already does not
    justify putting in more of them.

    Several would be understating it slightly....

    Lore breaks will continue im sure. The almighty dollar doesnt seem to give a dam about your views on what exactly is justified or not.
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