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    Are 1v1s farming?

    If you answered yes, why do you think so? Assuming someone is stomping, it's very unlikely they'll make over 2k-4k points at a 1v1 camp because people will eventually STOP 1V1ING THEM. Meanwhile, you have people making 3k an hour CONSISTENTLY 20k-30k a day and you so kindly say nothing about it. Heck, you're probably even one of those people that make 20k a day yet still hate 1v1 camps with a passion.


    I'll tell you why you hate them. It's not because they can do something you can't do, and it's not because they're ''farming''...It's simply because there's enough people watching that you aren't steamrolling/getting some help to steamroll your way to r15 in a month that you can't stand it. You want them gone! Step 1 was being able to get 1v1ers banned for FARMING which is absurd. If you can't get them banned you will complain in OOC about it all day long, maybe even zerg the 1v1s with some friends so everyone's fighting again so you can get back to your daily farming routine.

    You guys and your daily routines are more organized farm than any 1v1 circle, and you're never going to admit that, and 1v1ers don't care.


    Certain outliers are like Raelith. He's the best Spider on the server, people want to test their skills on him moreso than a creep testing their skills on a freep(They know it's futile). They do not succeed, and try again. He will get a lot of points simply because he's too good. But ON AVERAGE no, 1v1ers don't make nearly as much as a raider will.

    Though I would like to end this on a better note. This is not a 1v1er calling out rvrs for farming because we've been called farmers thread. This is more like, 1v1ers shouldn't be seen as farmers at all, and this is my explanation why. We all know that everyone in the moors gets 100-300% infamy/renown buff whether they're 1v1ers, rvrs, or small groupers. Just don't call the habanero hot when you're a ghost pepper.
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    My comment was 'tongue in cheek' though the purpose of keeping records of 1v1s is dubious given Turbine's recent stance on the subject of farming. My stance, 1v1s are fine so long as each side has the potential to win (self nerfing), and if the 'skill' gap is too great, refrain from further fights... rvr is the most efficient form of farming in this game, has been since the renown/infamy buffs introduced with SoM.
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    While I rarely respond to the desperate cries of the minority, this really tickled me. I feel that 1v1s are quite fine so long as they are in a predetermined area. At the same token, you can't be upset when it gets face rolled or ganked because it is the Moors and it will always happen since there's always a sense of lawlessness. A majority of people are out there for the points and gear, not the satisfaction of beating someone 1v1, which is also fine. It's hard to see this as anything but a negative thread pointed at RvR-ers, though, given the accusatory statements. If 1v1-ers really didn't care, and have nothing to worry about when it comes to the circles, then this thread wouldn't exist. It's obviously a touchy point, but I will agree that you shouldn't be reported for this kind of preferred style of play. Someone's going to lose and it tends to be the minority of players that like to 1v1. I also think that 1v1s should be for when action has died down considerably, but therein lies the "1v1 farm fest" aspect. There shouldn't be 20+ creeps and freeps at a 1v1 circle as that's just asking for mayhem to happen.

    TL;DR version: Anyone that kills anyone on either side is a farmer. Obviously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turin_Turambar_The_F View Post
    'tongue in cheek'
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    Quote Originally Posted by eagleeye64 View Post
    I'll tell you why you hate them. It's not because they can do something you can't do, and it's not because they're ''farming''...It's simply because there's enough people watching that you aren't steamrolling/getting some help to steamroll your way to r15 in a month that you can't stand it. You want them gone! Step 1 was being able to get 1v1ers banned for FARMING which is absurd. If you can't get them banned you will complain in OOC about it all day long, maybe even zerg the 1v1s with some friends so everyone's fighting again so you can get back to your daily farming routine.
    I'm not even from this server, but I read this and just had to give you +imaginary rep. This is the answer for general 1v1 hatred imo. I'm gonna save this quote for later use if you don't mind.
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    1vs1 is not farming but it's not LOTRO pvp as it was designed either.
    People who only 1v1 and scream and kick when that spar gets disrupted are certainly borderline farmers and perhaps don't actually pvp.

    However, they have some fun? It's not walk-overs with same gamer on both accounts? Not farming. Just perhaps not lotro pvp either haha.

    EDIT Oh and opening poster comment about 'zering' your one versus one spar?
    How DARE others PVP? They play the game as DESIGNED!? Outrageous!

    The 'zergers' as you say, they don't get any great reputation. They just play. Same as the spar-guys get no great reputation from those who play the pvp as it was designed. Your two crowds will never find a middle ground in this.
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    both 1v1s and rvrs can be considered farming. If you believe you should never 1v1 someone that you know you're going to beat, doesn't that also mean you believe you should never zerg a solo freep if you know they can't win?

    And if most players truly played for points and gear, why didn't everyone just get freavers before the rule changed and farm them for points and gear? obviously there's something more to pvp than points and gear. there's also the challenged and the will to improve one's gameplay and knowledge of class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turin_Turambar_The_F View Post
    My comment was 'tongue in cheek' though the purpose of keeping records of 1v1s is dubious given Turbine's recent stance on the subject of farming. My stance, 1v1s are fine so long as each side has the potential to win (self nerfing), and if the 'skill' gap is too great, refrain from further fights... rvr is the most efficient form of farming in this game, has been since the renown/infamy buffs introduced with SoM.
    Agreed. Most people at 1v1s either don't blow CDs to make it a close fight or do blow them help them not be stomped. That's fine, it isn't one sided stomp usually atleast.

    Quote Originally Posted by PanickingPanda View Post
    While I rarely respond to the desperate cries of the minority, this really tickled me. I feel that 1v1s are quite fine so long as they are in a predetermined area. At the same token, you can't be upset when it gets face rolled or ganked because it is the Moors and it will always happen since there's always a sense of lawlessness. A majority of people are out there for the points and gear, not the satisfaction of beating someone 1v1, which is also fine. It's hard to see this as anything but a negative thread pointed at RvR-ers, though, given the accusatory statements. If 1v1-ers really didn't care, and have nothing to worry about when it comes to the circles, then this thread wouldn't exist. It's obviously a touchy point, but I will agree that you shouldn't be reported for this kind of preferred style of play. Someone's going to lose and it tends to be the minority of players that like to 1v1. I also think that 1v1s should be for when action has died down considerably, but therein lies the "1v1 farm fest" aspect. There shouldn't be 20+ creeps and freeps at a 1v1 circle as that's just asking for mayhem to happen.

    TL;DR version: Anyone that kills anyone on either side is a farmer. Obviously.
    I worded it wrongly then, I have no problem with people ganking 1v1s, it's the Moors it happens. I really don't like when 1v1 circles are considered organized farming when the people that make such accusations make way more points on average if they join a raid that's successful/zerg. Well I'm only one 1v1er, I care because of the hypocrisy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Selebrimbor View Post
    I'm not even from this server, but I read this and just had to give you +imaginary rep. This is the answer for general 1v1 hatred imo. I'm gonna save this quote for later use if you don't mind.
    thx.

    Quote Originally Posted by Macroscian View Post
    1vs1 is not farming but it's not LOTRO pvp as it was designed either.
    People who only 1v1 and scream and kick when that spar gets disrupted are certainly borderline farmers and perhaps don't actually pvp.

    However, they have some fun? It's not walk-overs with same gamer on both accounts? Not farming. Just perhaps not lotro pvp either haha.

    EDIT Oh and opening poster comment about 'zering' your one versus one spar?
    How DARE others PVP? They play the game as DESIGNED!? Outrageous!

    The 'zergers' as you say, they don't get any great reputation. They just play. Same as the spar-guys get no great reputation from those who play the pvp as it was designed. Your two crowds will never find a middle ground in this.
    Well how are 1v1ers kicking and screaming when they get interrupted any different than people who kick and scream because there isn't rvr happening because of the 1v1 circle. I don't agree with either, 1v1ers(who don't like being ganked) can go 1v1 elsewhere, and raid vs raiders can stir up the pot and roll the 1v1 circles to start up the action.

    Quote Originally Posted by mrfigglesworth View Post
    both 1v1s and rvrs can be considered farming. If you believe you should never 1v1 someone that you know you're going to beat, doesn't that also mean you believe you should never zerg a solo freep if you know they can't win?

    And if most players truly played for points and gear, why didn't everyone just get freavers before the rule changed and farm them for points and gear? obviously there's something more to pvp than points and gear. there's also the challenged and the will to improve one's gameplay and knowledge of class.
    Yeah. It's a tough thing because certain raid leaders have told people not to attack someone solo before, while others usually roll them. Certain 1v1ers won't stomp a person over and over again because it presents no challenge, while others will gladly murder them until they stop accepting to fight.

    Can you say it's more the person's fault for accepting to 1v1 when they know they will lose? Or is it more the other person's fault for knowing they will win and still accepting/challenging? Is it equally both their faults?

    Does the soloer have a chance/choice to get away from the zerg? Should he be blamed for not avoiding the raid or should the raid be blamed? Or should no one be blamed and lets end this silly debate and let people play their game?
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    Are 1v1s farming?

    Quote Originally Posted by mrfigglesworth View Post
    both 1v1s and rvrs can be considered farming. If you believe you should never 1v1 someone that you know you're going to beat, doesn't that also mean you believe you should never zerg a solo freep if you know they can't win?

    And if most players truly played for points and gear, why didn't everyone just get freavers before the rule changed and farm them for points and gear? obviously there's something more to pvp than points and gear. there's also the challenged and the will to improve one's gameplay and knowledge of class.
    Because we didnt jump on the farming bandwagon (kuchkuch cappy). I just play to make people rage at me, which seems to work quiet decent lately.


    Quote Originally Posted by eagleeye64 View Post
    Agreed. Most people at 1v1s either don't blow CDs to make it a close fight or do blow them help them not be stomped. That's fine, it isn't one sided stomp usually atleast.

    I worded it wrongly then, I have no problem with people ganking 1v1s, it's the Moors it happens. I really don't like when 1v1 circles are considered organized farming when the people that make such accusations make way more points on average if they join a raid that's successful/zerg. Well I'm only one 1v1er, I care because of the hypocrisy.

    thx.
    I see being called out in a 1v1 (or being disturbed) as a moral victory. I didnt get the points but since RoR points just float by.


    Quote Originally Posted by eagleeye64 View Post
    Does the soloer have a chance/choice to get away from the zerg? Should he be blamed for not avoiding the raid or should the raid be blamed? Or should no one be blamed and lets end this silly debate and let people play their game?
    If the solo'r is a warg or smart he might get a chance to get away from the zerg (jumping of a cliff and see people suicide); Yea lets stop debating so we can all go back to the daily gramscamp/ lugzbackdoor hugging.




    TL;DR You forgot the mention that the last 2-3 1v1 circles i saw started after the freeps wiped twice after creeps started to group up. To me it looks clearly thats farming. If the 1v1's happened out of the blue i wouldnt describe it as farming (yet).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macroscian View Post
    1vs1 is not farming but it's not LOTRO pvp as it was designed either.
    People who only 1v1 and scream and kick when that spar gets disrupted are certainly borderline farmers and perhaps don't actually pvp.
    Your point makes no sense. Being offended by a group of creeps/freeps rolling over your 1v1 is a normal feeling. It's either a hollow victory or a slap in the face after doing all the work only to have it all erased. I don't understand why they are borderline farmers or how they don't pvp? This comment seems poorly worded. It does, however, bring up an interesting issue about what is farming. Obviously, Turbine has given their definition of farming, but it doesn't seem to meet everyone's expectations except the laxest of folk that are only offended by blatant and shameless farming. But what about rez camping? What about GV/Grams camping? Is it farming? Surely, 1v1s are less guilty of farming than those aforementioned. Unless it's a Blazeko 1v1, of course.

    Quote Originally Posted by ulza View Post
    Because we didnt jump on the farming bandwagon (kuchkuch cappy). I just play to make people rage at me, which seems to work quiet decent lately.


    I see being called out in a 1v1 (or being disturbed) as a moral victory. I didnt get the points but since RoR points just float by.


    If the solo'r is a warg or smart he might get a chance to get away from the zerg (jumping of a cliff and see people suicide); Yea lets stop debating so we can all go back to the daily gramscamp/ lugzbackdoor hugging.

    TL;DR You forgot the mention that the last 2-3 1v1 circles i saw started after the freeps wiped twice after creeps started to group up. To me it looks clearly thats farming. If the 1v1's happened out of the blue i wouldnt describe it as farming (yet).
    Yes, we're all sure you're quite proud of yourself. I don't see how being called out is a moral victory, seeing as how you didn't make any choice? Unless you consider your usual choice to call it out? Clearly, you have a stricter idea of what farming is since freeps got tired of wiping and wanted to 1v1? I don't know how you work that one out in your head, but hey. Obviously, you seem to be out to make contrarian comments in order to upset people, which I can respect that. It just doesn't seem to add to the conversation other than derailing and bashing without offering constructiveness.

    Edit: Just saw this:

    Quote Originally Posted by mrfigglesworth View Post
    both 1v1s and rvrs can be considered farming. If you believe you should never 1v1 someone that you know you're going to beat, doesn't that also mean you believe you should never zerg a solo freep if you know they can't win?

    And if most players truly played for points and gear, why didn't everyone just get freavers before the rule changed and farm them for points and gear? obviously there's something more to pvp than points and gear. there's also the challenged and the will to improve one's gameplay and knowledge of class.
    Not sure if you get to ask that question, given your track record, but I'll field it anyway. Most people that care about self-image and reputation don't want to be seen as farmers; who would have thought that social stigma would exist in an MMO</sarcasm>. Farmer has been a dirty word for a long time and is inherently wrong to most people, despite the reasoning behind it. Most people want to go through the motions and learn. Some people feel more comfortable in a group or RvR setting, instead of getting killed repeatedly by certain individuals or groups. The point of the Moors is to kill and try not to be killed whilst seeking the biggest reward for the least amount of time required. Much like repeatedly doing BfE or Sambrog.
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    By your definition the point of the moors is to farm! Thx for the lesson.


    And I get to ask any question I could ever care to ponder. They are legitimate questions posed for discussion, as is what the forums are for. I find it pathetic you have to consider having a discussion with someone who has different ideals about a subject such as farming, but like your generous self, I'll assume you're more decent than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PanickingPanda View Post
    Yes, we're all sure you're quite proud of yourself. I don't see how being called out is a moral victory, seeing as how you didn't make any choice? Unless you consider your usual choice to call it out? Clearly, you have a stricter idea of what farming is since freeps got tired of wiping and wanted to 1v1? I don't know how you work that one out in your head, but hey. Obviously, you seem to be out to make contrarian comments in order to upset people, which I can respect that. It just doesn't seem to add to the conversation other than derailing and bashing without offering constructiveness.

    First of all: Do we even know you? Or did you jump on another bandwagon called brandywine?

    Second of all:
    Well yea im proud of myself. Ivent been in the moors for months (apart from yesterday on my louzy reaver when i beaten the same MrFiggs in a 1v1) and i see the hatred is still strong.


    the "freeps got tired of wiping and wanted to 1v1" was absoluty BS. Tired of wiping? How would you know? Are you one of those people that log after you die twice?
    It was clear that people that started the 1v1 got killed a few times and figured out that if they wanted points they should start 1v1'ing kinmates. Kinda strange that the 1v1 circle had more freeps/creeps on (most of them not participation) than during the daily gramscamp when its 8vs 20+ most of the time with a couple of freeps sitting afk in lugz.

    There is a difference between a 1v1 circle that starts out of the blue or a 1v1 circle that starts after freeps kill creeps for 2 hours, wipe twice and than the 1v1 circle starts.

    In the end i wasnt the 1 derailing the topic, i gave my opinion about the recent '1v1 circles'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ulza View Post

    In the end i wasnt the 1 derailing the topic, i gave my opinion about the recent '1v1 circles'.
    Poor victim again.


    Quote Originally Posted by ulza View Post
    Because we didnt jump on the farming bandwagon (kuchkuch cappy). I just play to make people rage at me, which seems to work quiet decent lately.
    Nice try troll.

 

 

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