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    since former vips get it free anyway....

    give us the opprutunity to unlock trait slots and swift travel account-wide. we can already unlock the gold cap and inventory bags account wide. is it really that important to get my $15 for a single month vip when I want to create new toons? let us acount-wide unlock everything former vips get so we don't have to keep subbing for a month and losing out on most of the store sales for that month. turbine/wb will get just as much money selling tp and expansions as they get from the single month subscribers
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    You have to realize that dollars are much more valuable to Turbine than Turbine Points. Turbine Points are a restricted currency only usable within Lotro. Turbine can't used Turbine Points to pay their employees or Federal Taxes. Plus Turbine Points are created by us playing the game via deed completion. Turbine points are given away as stipend for being a subscriber.

    Turbine Points only generate value to Turbine when we buy Turbine Points with dollars. Spending Turbine Points in the Lotro Store whether they be bought, free or subscriber stipend is no value to Turbine unless the usage results in us giving Turbine dollars to get more Turbine Points.

    My personal opinion. Turbine made a terrible mistake when they allowed us to permanently unlock these features by going VIP for our existing characters. These features should be VIP rental. When you drop to Premium you lose all access until you pay Turbine Points to permanently unlock them on a character basis. Or rent them again by subscribing.

    The lock virtually everything is the F2P Swtor implementation. Subscribers that drop down to Preferred do not get to keep much.
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    well then instead of the tp store put it in the cash shop(for real money), for $10-$15 sell a code that unlocks swift travel and trait slots on all toons present and future, combine it with the samwise gamgees pack that unlocks an inventory bag and the gold cap, and those of us who want to stay premium and buy the content when it goes on sale instead of renting it can still create new toons without having to sub for a month just to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magstar View Post
    well then instead of the tp store put it in the cash shop(for real money), for $10-$15 sell a code that unlocks swift travel and trait slots on all toons present and future, combine it with the samwise gamgees pack that unlocks an inventory bag and the gold cap, and those of us who want to stay premium and buy the content when it goes on sale instead of renting it can still create new toons without having to sub for a month just to do it.
    Not asking for much are we? Think of all the revenue they would lose if they offered this. Why would a person remain VIP if we could just buy a code to give us what a subscription does? If I were to stop paying for my subscription I lose swift travel, not sure about the trait slots though.

    Also....I'm not sure if you know this or not, going by your OP , but EVERYONE has to buy expansions, no 1 gets those for free.
    Last edited by Jurny; Oct 14 2013 at 12:16 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jurny View Post
    Not asking for much are we? Think of all the revenue they would lose if they offered this. Why would a person remain VIP if we could just buy a code to give us what a subscription does? If I were to stop paying for my subscription I lose swift travel, not sure about the trait slots though.

    Also....I'm not sure if you know this or not, going by your OP , but EVERYONE has to buy expansions, no 1 gets those for free.
    I think you missed the point completely, I want a way to get what I get on my toons from having had vip, bags which we can get, goldcap, which we can get, and accountwide traits and swift travel, for any toon I create. That's not circumventing paying a monthly subscription fee, just the obligitory single month. And please quote me where I said anyone should or already gets free expansions. They're getting their revenue for subscribers that stay subscribers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magstar View Post
    I think you missed the point completely, I want a way to get what I get on my toons from having had vip, bags which we can get, goldcap, which we can get, and accountwide traits and swift travel, for any toon I create. That's not circumventing paying a monthly subscription fee, just the obligitory single month. And please quote me where I said anyone should or already gets free expansions. They're getting their revenue for subscribers that stay subscribers.
    If I understand you correctly, you are asking that premium subscribers get all the same perks, as that of a VIP subscriber does, am I right?

    In other words, you want to be able to unlock trait slots, swift travel for all your characters and any you may make in the future, just by paying 1 monthly premium and buying something from the store?

    If they would do this, why would any 1 remain VIP? The only thing basically left is rested XP, and I highly doubt that any 1 would remain VIP just for that, if they could buy a code or whatever from the store.
    Thus, Turbine losing all that revenue.

    See my point now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yula_the_Mighty View Post

    My personal opinion. Turbine made a terrible mistake when they allowed us to permanently unlock these features by going VIP for our existing characters. These features should be VIP rental. When you drop to Premium you lose all access until you pay Turbine Points to permanently unlock them on a character basis. Or rent them again by subscribing.
    I share this same opinion.

    Once you stop subscribing, you should lose all the added perks you got, until you subscribe again. It's really unfair to those of us that do pay monthly/yearly to be VIP.

    They need to close that loop hole that so many people take advantage of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jurny View Post
    They need to close that loop hole that so many people take advantage of.
    I don't believe this *is* a loophole, per se. The 1-month sub unlocks, I mean. I think it's working as intended.

    Turbine knows that the most important thing you can do with a FtP player is get them to spend money, any money, that first time. People who are drawn to the "free" aspect of the game will happily jump through all kinds of hoops to avoid spending any money on it (understandably), but once that first real-money purchase is made, it becomes MUCH easier to entice the player to pay again, and again, and again. Yes, I'm sure there are a huge number of free players who use the 1-month sub unlock strategically, with the intention to never again spend real-world money on the game. Turbine is smart to bait that purchase well with plenty of goodies. They know their odds of getting regular, steady cash from a free player goes up exponentially after the player has "bought in," even if they never sub again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magstar View Post
    give us the opprutunity to unlock trait slots and swift travel account-wide. we can already unlock the gold cap and inventory bags account wide. is it really that important to get my $15 for a single month vip when I want to create new toons? let us acount-wide unlock everything former vips get so we don't have to keep subbing for a month and losing out on most of the store sales for that month. turbine/wb will get just as much money selling tp and expansions as they get from the single month subscribers
    Are you concious that VIP, premiums & lifetimers have to pay services with real cash to get that account status? We don't get anything free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magstar View Post
    what I'm asking for is a way to unlock through cash or tp: swift travel, trait slots, goldcap, 3rd, 4th, and 5th bags on all new toons without having to pay for a month of vip for every new toon I want to create.
    (Emphasis added by me.)

    And this is exactly where Turbine might lose money with this suggestion. They don't get 15$ from people who go VIP for the umlocks, they earn 15$ from people who want the unlocks every time they roll up a new bunch of characters. So for an account-wide unlock of ex-VIP perks like you're asking for, Turbine would have to set a price-point (in real money, not in TP) that would cover the average amount of subscription fees people would otherwise pay over time for their accounts.

    I feel like three one-month fees (45$) might be the minimum to cover this, but Turbine might prefer to set the price to five or six one-month fees (75$ to 90$) depending on what their data tells them about the average VIP behaviour of their playerbase.

    Would you be willing to pay that much in cash for the priviledge of having permanent ex-VIP unlocks for every character you may ever create? Would enough other people be willing to pay that much to make it worthwhile for Turbine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magstar View Post
    give us the opprutunity to unlock trait slots and swift travel account-wide. we can already unlock the gold cap and inventory bags account wide. is it really that important to get my $15 for a single month vip when I want to create new toons? let us acount-wide unlock everything former vips get so we don't have to keep subbing for a month and losing out on most of the store sales for that month. turbine/wb will get just as much money selling tp and expansions as they get from the single month subscribers
    Former VIP dont unlock these benefits account-wite, only for character they played while being VIP. thats a small, but important distinction. If Ex-VIP creates new chgaracter, it has all limits of Premium player. So thats an incentive to resubscribe later, if you create new characters.

    Doubt Turbine will do cut a branch they are sitting upon.
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    Thank you, Turbine, for listening and giving us an opt-out of FE! Good work!

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    As far as SWTOR is concerned, that game is still on a downward slope. Just as an advance warning, don't be shocked if that game dies.

    As far as LOTRO is concerned, if an SWTOR version of F2P/Premium/VIP was implemented, there would be pretty much no Premium. Almost nothing is given to Premiums, so what's the point in even having a Premium status?

    And yes, I have been VIP for both SWTOR and LOTRO. Been VIP for LOTRO for a long time. Quit VIP for SWTOR very quickly as that game strangled my friends who could not afford VIP (and even with VIP the game is pretty horrible). Now we don't play it at all.

    That game isn't even a true F2P game. You can't get to level-cap without purchasing the content. Purchasing the content to play the content is obvious. But being incapable of reaching level-cap without paying means that it is not a true F2P game. It is merely a very glorified trial version. I could play in the trial all the way to lvl 15 (all content to that point). Now I could (if I was F2P) play up to lvl 50.

    The Rise of the Hutt Cartel was the first expansion, and it will be the last one I ever bought. I even paid for it as a VIPer. Now VIPers get it free, and SWTOR didn't even refund those who had purchased it a few months previously (launch in April 2013 IIRC; as of Sept 2013, now free to VIPs). What's more, those who purchased the xpac (or pre-ordered it) months ago get pretty much nothing, whereas new subscribers get about a thousand extra Cartel Coins which were NOT offered to the loyal players who purchased it when it first game out. That would be like making everyone buy HD and then Turbine giving it free to all current VIPers (and throwing in an extra thousand TPs) without even refunding the $40+ that many of those same players already paid.
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    Just pointing out former VIP must go VIP again to get that stuff unlocked if they roll a new alt after dropping VIP.

    Carry on!

    EDIT And as I re-read, I see this was already pointed out = )

    /sigh

    Carry on!

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    No offense to the opening poster but if you want to really utilize TP in the way most efficient to survive in the game with the least amount of real life cash flowed into the game then imho you should really research what is available to f2p, premuim and VIP first before you ever put cash into the game to begin with. As someone who started f2p (and went to lvl 46 or 47), eventually received a gift sub from my wife/kids and now "own" all areas, expansions and skirms but wildermore and 3 skirms -- I'd highly advice skimping by on 3 bags and a 2 gold cap for as absolutely long as you can (utilize housing storage and stacks of items to keep extra cash available). I only invested tp for a long time into content (to earn more tp account wide since if you are desperate for tp you can start toons on other servers) and extra toon slots. I also only bought those on sale. When I received that first 3 month sub (which my wife had told me I was getting) then that saved me from having to spend a ton of points on virtue slots, gold cap and AH slots. Obviously you have to work for it if you want to skimp by with little to no cash input.

    One of the great things about this game is you can choose your path not only in the game but in how much you want to invest. f2p isn't for everyone just like pouring tons of cash into the game isn't an option for everyone either. Just research and choose wisely what best fits your situation.

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    Keep in mind that Turbine did take LOTRO free to play, thus they need to stick to their word and leave some goodies out for the FTP people, "closing the loop" would make things a little tough for FTP people and Turbine would lose a great deal of their player base. That being said, I do believe that you should have to subscribe to unlock the fast travel and traits, but once you unsubscribe I think you should be able to at least keep the trait slots open on the characters that you had at the time.

 

 

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