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    Helm's Deep seems to be a fair price and a good deal, so...

    I am planning on getting the expansion in the very near future, hopefully by next week. Considering how well Turbine and LOTRO seem to have listened
    to their customer base and corrected the missteps made in the "other" preorder, I'd like to say "Thank you" and let them know
    I will be putting my faith in them, yet again, in very short order. I just thought it'd be nice to let them know and to remind them
    that their efforts were noticed and much appreciated...

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    Good on you - must be nice to have such devoted faith . Sadly I do not have such faith, and will be holding out on HD till I see comprehensive details / gameplay for class skills & traits, and BBs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarlywyn View Post
    Good on you - must be nice to have such devoted faith . Sadly I do not have such faith, and will be holding out on HD till I see comprehensive details / gameplay for class skills & traits, and BBs.
    Naturally you can't put a positive post up without someone trolling to add negativity. There are enough "the sky is falling posts", so go spread the negativity and fear in there... Sheesh!

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    I like seeing a positive post every once in a while. Yeah, there are things that I am totally opposed to, like auto filled maps, but I've been trying out other MMOs and I keep coming back here.

    Not only that, I cannot imagine playing an MMO without the expansions. Not my style.
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    Yep, can't wait for Helms Deep to come out Big Battles sounds exciting. I hope they still have room for Mounted Combat too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRAD65 View Post
    Yep, can't wait for Helms Deep to come out Big Battles sounds exciting. I hope they still have room for Mounted Combat too.
    Got the expansion last night. The armor looks very nice on a dwarf, both the steed and the war steed look very nice as well. That shield is a neat item with all it's bonuses, as well. I added a costume slot so I can have the armor on all my toons and I went ahead and got the "Journeyman" skill for all my mounts, while it was still on sale. Very happy and excitedly looking forward to HD dropping and the next festival coming up. I even broke down recently and created a hobbit hunter to play around with, now that my last two toons are started to get played a lot more and climbing in rank. It's gonna be a great Winter with the new area to explore... I can't wait!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarlywyn View Post
    Good on you - must be nice to have such devoted faith . Sadly I do not have such faith, and will be holding out on HD till I see comprehensive details / gameplay for class skills & traits, and BBs.

    must agree with you and after reading the part about how well they listen to their playerbase I couldn't stop laughing. so funny OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by commodore1 View Post
    must agree with you and after reading the part about how well they listen to their playerbase I couldn't stop laughing. so funny OP.
    why does it bother you that others don't share your pessimistic view of things? is it so hard to accept that there are people that actually have the ability to enjoy the game even though there are flaws? no one is saying there aren't things that could be improved upon or even completely re-worked in some cases. however, even with the flaws that i perceive, i can still enjoy the game. when someone expresses that in a forum thread and tries to show some appreciation for the game we all love (no one would be here playing if they didn't like the game right? right???), why is there such a burning desire on the part of some to yet again, highjack a thread with the negativity?

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    Maybe turbine should throw in a housechest full of crams and lembas to appease the doomsayers
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    The HD deal is definitely an improvement over RoR. The price for the highest package (not including the legendary item pack, which contains nothing from the expansion) is better, the instances (Big Battles) are included at launch, and there is TP included. Some of the goodies, like the shield, are also significantly better than previous expansion goodies.

    So yeah, I definitely pre-ordered. I'm looking forward to pretty much every aspect of the expansion

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldensilence View Post
    why does it bother you that others don't share your pessimistic view of things? is it so hard to accept that there are people that actually have the ability to enjoy the game even though there are flaws? no one is saying there aren't things that could be improved upon or even completely re-worked in some cases. however, even with the flaws that i perceive, i can still enjoy the game. when someone expresses that in a forum thread and tries to show some appreciation for the game we all love (no one would be here playing if they didn't like the game right? right???), why is there such a burning desire on the part of some to yet again, highjack a thread with the negativity?


    I thought we were all allowed our own opinions and were allowed to express them equally. It actually seems you are trying to bully someone for not showing the same attitude as you. and you must agree this guy was spot on. They aren't really listening are they? I guess what I'm really asking is how can there be such a wide gap from lovers which we all are to some degree to haters? And i believe the haters love the game more and can't really figure out why some people will fawn over a game with a multitude of problems without admitting it has so many problems. the haters just want a better game and think they have higher standards and on occasion want them met.

    just a thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaGere View Post
    I thought we were all allowed our own opinions and were allowed to express them equally. It actually seems you are trying to bully someone for not showing the same attitude as you. and you must agree this guy was spot on. They aren't really listening are they? I guess what I'm really asking is how can there be such a wide gap from lovers which we all are to some degree to haters? And i believe the haters love the game more and can't really figure out why some people will fawn over a game with a multitude of problems without admitting it has so many problems. the haters just want a better game and think they have higher standards and on occasion want them met.

    just a thought.
    oh we can all express our opinions...just gets tiring when all the negative nellies highjack and take-over what would otherwise be very encouraging and optimistic threads. as i've said before, no one is saying that the game doesn't have problems (at least i don't think i have ), but can't we at times point out some positives without the naysayers taking over the thread? isn't it easy enough to start another thread to complain (like there aren't already enough)? is it too much to ask to allow those who like and enjoy the game to express that without other people jumping in and pointing out the game breaking bugs or doomsday scenario's (in their opinion)? *sigh*

    sorry, even with all the bugs (which to me are relatively minor but i'm not into pvp or anything, just a casual solo adventurer here), i enjoy the game. i'll probably play it as long as the servers are active. and even when the servers eventually go dark i'm not going to cry about it. i'll be grateful for the amount of enjoyment it gave me. after all....it is only a game.

    and i'm sorry if anyone interpreted my posts as 'bullying'. i'm just usually a very direct person and can come across a bit strong at times. sorry if anyone was offended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klaarg View Post
    I am planning on getting the expansion in the very near future, hopefully by next week. Considering how well Turbine and LOTRO seem to have listened
    to their customer base and corrected the missteps made in the "other" preorder, I'd like to say "Thank you" and let them know
    I will be putting my faith in them, yet again, in very short order. I just thought it'd be nice to let them know and to remind them
    that their efforts were noticed and much appreciated...
    If I were you, Id wait untill open beta and try it yourself. wait till the NDA is lifted to see what the beta testers are saying about it. You could be buying something you absolutely hate. Just my advice.
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    Star Wars: The Old Republic just released...

    - A new PVP mechanic
    - 3 new PVP maps
    - A brand new end-game story driven questing zone
    - New end-game repeatable missions
    - 2 new raids
    - A bunch of new armor and weapons, mounts, and cosmetic pets
    - Lot of upgrades to Auction Hall functionality
    - There's even a new title: "The Eye of Zauron"

    FOR FREE


    I agree, Helms Deep looks great, and looks to be a great value, but sometimes you need to put things into context. The SWTOR content update is probably 50% of the content of Helms Deep for 0% of the price. That puts value into perspective a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bastiat1 View Post
    Star Wars: The Old Republic just released...

    - A new PVP mechanic
    - 3 new PVP maps
    - A brand new end-game story driven questing zone
    - New end-game repeatable missions
    - 2 new raids
    - A bunch of new armor and weapons, mounts, and cosmetic pets
    - Lot of upgrades to Auction Hall functionality
    - There's even a new title: "The Eye of Zauron"

    FOR FREE


    I agree, Helms Deep looks great, and looks to be a great value, but sometimes you need to put things into context. The SWTOR content update is probably 50% of the content of Helms Deep for 0% of the price. That puts value into perspective a bit.

    TOR did this because their sales have not been all that great, since going to FTP. They don't have near as much content to spend Cartel Coins onto unlock their content because it is a newer game, so giving FTPs the ROtHC expansion, with a free speeder, was really the only means to bring in a bigger base of players. And for a newer game, that is a fantastic marketing strategy (and an infuriating move to those like me who pre order that expansion). But it is not a smart move for LOTRO, IMO.

    Not meaning to play Devil's Advocate here, but money keeps these FTP games going and LOTRO is the MMO that gives the most content to FTP folks, because it is an older game. It is the easiest MMO to unlock content for a FTP as well.... Think about this, really.

    You're asking the Turbine team to unlock questing content for areas FTPs currently need TP to unlock? People spend money on these expansions and quest packs because they do not want to grind out the TP needed to unlock them. If that suddenly was removed, yeah. We'd all be happy, but all that would be left to unlock with our TP is fluff we don't really need to play optimally, from the LOTRO Store (which is mostly what you get with TOR's CC currency). And the game's OOC revenue also drops because of that. Guess what happens then?

    Game shuts down because there is nothing really worth forking out cash to buy content with. We just grind out those 500-600TP with a champ or hunter for the shared storage slots, or cosmetic slot unlocks, and delete and start again for more fluff content. It is an evil to pay money for stuff on a FTP game (I agree), but it is a necessary evil that keeps this game going. If we didn't have VIP and Premium players forking out cash for expansions and extra TP points, this game would die out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinanwe View Post
    TOR did this because their sales have not been all that great, since going to FTP. They don't have near as much content to spend Cartel Coins onto unlock their content because it is a newer game, so giving FTPs the ROtHC expansion, with a free speeder, was really the only means to bring in a bigger base of players. And for a newer game, that is a fantastic marketing strategy (and an infuriating move to those like me who pre order that expansion). But it is not a smart move for LOTRO, IMO.

    Not meaning to play Devil's Advocate here, but money keeps these FTP games going and LOTRO is the MMO that gives the most content to FTP folks, because it is an older game. It is the easiest MMO to unlock content for a FTP as well.... Think about this, really.

    You're asking the Turbine team to unlock questing content for areas FTPs currently need TP to unlock? People spend money on these expansions and quest packs because they do not want to grind out the TP needed to unlock them. If that suddenly was removed, yeah. We'd all be happy, but all that would be left to unlock with our TP is fluff we don't really need to play optimally, from the LOTRO Store (which is mostly what you get with TOR's CC currency). And the game's OOC revenue also drops because of that. Guess what happens then?

    Game shuts down because there is nothing really worth forking out cash to buy content with. We just grind out those 500-600TP with a champ or hunter for the shared storage slots, or cosmetic slot unlocks, and delete and start again for more fluff content. It is an evil to pay money for stuff on a FTP game (I agree), but it is a necessary evil that keeps this game going. If we didn't have VIP and Premium players forking out cash for expansions and extra TP points, this game would die out.
    They are only giving the expansion away to subscribers. F2P and Premium still have to buy it or sub.

    http://www.swtor.com/info/news/news-article/20130910

    Lets also keep in mind that the expansion was 20 dollars for F2P/Premium and 10 for subscribers (originally, free now)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysterion View Post
    They are only giving the expansion away to subscribers. F2P and Premium still have to buy it or sub.

    http://www.swtor.com/info/news/news-article/20130910

    Lets also keep in mind that the expansion was 20 dollars for F2P/Premium and 10 for subscribers (originally, free now)

    I'm not talking about the "Rise of the Hutt Cartel" expansion. I'm talking about the FREE content update "The Dread War".

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    Quote Originally Posted by bastiat1 View Post
    Star Wars: The Old Republic just released...
    Sorry, but if that game dares put a price on content they'll lose those 100K customers they got left. That company has failed to deliver big time and has a lot of catching up to do. Haven't tried the game myself, but never before did I see a game get so hyped only to be left barren within a few weeks/months time.

    That being said, I'm not preordering Helms Deep either. The talent trees can be a gamebreaker for me. I'm looking for customization and from what I've seen they offer little of it.

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    I bought last expansion for me and my lil bro to play together, and we had a blast. But, frankly, i´m a bit scared this time and i´ll explain why. I have only played two Morpg in my life, Swg (Starwars Galaxies) and Lotro, and am playing Lotro because SWG did exactly what turbine is doing now, a combat upgrade.

    Soe´s Combat Upgrade destroyed the game i loved, and i wasn't the only one to think that because it was the downfall of their subscription base until it had to go offline last year.

    This is mayor, this is no game update anymore. This is a company turning the light off and closing the door. They need a easy-to-manage cheap to run game cuzz they are moving on.

    This i applaud, this game has been my other world for 5 years now and ,despite of all the bad stuff, the balance has always been good, and like in Moria times, EXCELLENT!! more to say PERFECT!!.

    I know that whatever happens i would still love this game, its part of my life, and i will embark on any new turbine project (God let it be Hogwarts Online, let it be Hogwarts Online) because the never destroyed my confidence , like SOE did.

    Nevertheless, you have to make your statements in life clear, and i will not prepurchase HD, i sure will buy the expansion, but i wont prepurchase.

    Wounds never seem to completely heal, sorry Turbine.

    PS. and a big fat F U to SOE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaMac View Post
    If I were you, Id wait untill open beta and try it yourself. wait till the NDA is lifted to see what the beta testers are saying about it. You could be buying something you absolutely hate. Just my advice.
    while that is sound advice i personally don't pay too much attention to what beta testers tend to say. in a mature game like this, most beta testers tend to be seasoned players with probably more than 1 toon at current level cap (no, not all beta testers but i'd be willing to bet a high percentage of them). if that is the case, many players already at end-game tend to give a jaded view of things if it's not the be-all end-all they were expecting. so, i tend to base my decisions on new content on how much i enjoy the game that i play, the way i play it (pretty much a solo adventurer with little to no raiding experience). that said, i truly enjoy that this game lets me play the way i want at a very casual pace. the story line is pretty good (except for the more glaring departures from lore) as well as the misc. quests.

    this is just my opinion and while it may not be 100% accurate concerning the percentage of beta testers being 'seasoned' players, i'll still base my decisions on how i like the current game...which i do, flaws and all. i imagine that there are quite a few out there like me. then again maybe not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldensilence View Post
    while that is sound advice i personally don't pay too much attention to what beta testers tend to say.
    You might want to rethink this stance. I mean really think about this. The beta testers are the ones that the developers are listening to right now. The beta testers are shaping the expansion. They are the ones looking for the most common flaws. They are the ones who are finding out what works and what doesn't work. They are even the ones who may be pointing out where the developers went wrong on things. And you just discount what they have to say? You mean... you aren't going to get Helm's Deep, especially considering the effect that the beta testers have had on the release?

    in a mature game like this, most beta testers tend to be seasoned players with probably more than 1 toon at current level cap (no, not all beta testers but i'd be willing to bet a high percentage of them). if that is the case, many players already at end-game tend to give a jaded view of things if it's not the be-all end-all they were expecting.
    You assume you know what kind of people the testers are... you "bet" you can group them into a category of player that is quite negative... and you automatically decide you are going to discount whatever advice seasoned and experienced players might have to give? That's quite absurd. You realize that you are the one who is proving to be quite jaded here. I'm not making a guess. I'm not betting on a high percentage. I'm taking the words coming out of your post and using them as proof. You have expressed an opinion and a guess about what experienced players are like, you have given it a negative spin, and you have attempted to use that erroneous information to justify why you consider whatever opinions and thoughts they have on the matter to be invalid. Where is your proof to back up what you say about experienced players?

    Moreover.. are you aware that Turbine has been offering Beta testing tickets to ANYONE WHO WANTS THEM? They are not passing them out only to experienced players. They are not hand-picking their testers. Do you even read the notices that are there in the client you use to log in to the game, before you put your password in?
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    That is at the top of the notice listing right now. Sapience posted a thread about it here on the forums. They have been doing this on and off for weeks now. They don't care about how much experience you have... anyone is invited to test HD and give their opinions.

    this is just my opinion and while it may not be 100% accurate concerning the percentage of beta testers being 'seasoned' players, i'll still base my decisions on how i like the current game...which i do, flaws and all. i imagine that there are quite a few out there like me. then again maybe not.
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    It isn't about the accuracy of your percentage of beta testers being seasoned. You are deciding to spend your money based on faith. You believe that the expansion will turn out juuuuust fine, and that there will be no technical flaws, or performance issues... and that anything any beta tester has to say on these issues will be because of a jaded view.

    Let's put it this way. What if you buy it, and when you go to play it... you find it to be unplayable, due to a system requirement having been raised? Oh, I'm sure you've got the best gaming rig on the planet, but I'm speaking hypothetically. What if your system could barely handle RoR... and HD required even more system muscle? Wouldn't you feel foolish not being able to really play at all, regardless of your particular style, if the majority of the beta testers had commented on this very thing? If the beta testers, once they can actually talk publicly about what they are experiencing, had observations that would relate directly to you, your system, or your style of gameplay... wouldn't you want to know before you spent $60? With the current issues that STILL EXIST with the RoR expansion that make it unplayable for many people... don't you think it is wise to learn about this kind of stuff before you pay?

    You seem to assume that you know what the beta testers are going to talk about, and thus you know none of it will pertain to you. How could you know that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bongart View Post
    You might want to rethink this stance. I mean really think about this. The beta testers are the ones that the developers are listening to right now. The beta testers are shaping the expansion. They are the ones looking for the most common flaws. They are the ones who are finding out what works and what doesn't work. They are even the ones who may be pointing out where the developers went wrong on things. And you just discount what they have to say? You mean... you aren't going to get Helm's Deep, especially considering the effect that the beta testers have had on the release?


    You assume you know what kind of people the testers are... you "bet" you can group them into a category of player that is quite negative... and you automatically decide you are going to discount whatever advice seasoned and experienced players might have to give? That's quite absurd. You realize that you are the one who is proving to be quite jaded here. I'm not making a guess. I'm not betting on a high percentage. I'm taking the words coming out of your post and using them as proof. You have expressed an opinion and a guess about what experienced players are like, you have given it a negative spin, and you have attempted to use that erroneous information to justify why you consider whatever opinions and thoughts they have on the matter to be invalid. Where is your proof to back up what you say about experienced players?

    Moreover.. are you aware that Turbine has been offering Beta testing tickets to ANYONE WHO WANTS THEM? They are not passing them out only to experienced players. They are not hand-picking their testers. Do you even read the notices that are there in the client you use to log in to the game, before you put your password in?

    That is at the top of the notice listing right now. Sapience posted a thread about it here on the forums. They have been doing this on and off for weeks now. They don't care about how much experience you have... anyone is invited to test HD and give their opinions.

    '
    It isn't about the accuracy of your percentage of beta testers being seasoned. You are deciding to spend your money based on faith. You believe that the expansion will turn out juuuuust fine, and that there will be no technical flaws, or performance issues... and that anything any beta tester has to say on these issues will be because of a jaded view.

    Let's put it this way. What if you buy it, and when you go to play it... you find it to be unplayable, due to a system requirement having been raised? Oh, I'm sure you've got the best gaming rig on the planet, but I'm speaking hypothetically. What if your system could barely handle RoR... and HD required even more system muscle? Wouldn't you feel foolish not being able to really play at all, regardless of your particular style, if the majority of the beta testers had commented on this very thing? If the beta testers, once they can actually talk publicly about what they are experiencing, had observations that would relate directly to you, your system, or your style of gameplay... wouldn't you want to know before you spent $60? With the current issues that STILL EXIST with the RoR expansion that make it unplayable for many people... don't you think it is wise to learn about this kind of stuff before you pay?

    You seem to assume that you know what the beta testers are going to talk about, and thus you know none of it will pertain to you. How could you know that?
    It's easy to make the assumption they made given the feedback we hear every single time someone mentions they were in a past beta. Every time I read a beta feedback excerpt I see the negativity and jadedness they person refers to. Simply because they catered to the "money" and not the "ME!" It's not a the leap of faith you describe....
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    I never asked Turbine to waste hundreds of work hours and thousands of dollars(if not more) on Class Revamps, and neither did any of you. Yet here we are.
    I actually did ask for it, in a submit question thingy-ma-jig ages back.

    Though I did not ask for all classes, I just felt over the years Guardians (I play other classes too) had been rather neglected in comparison to many others. (note keyword - I felt) Obviously they are going more extreme than I expected, but hey I bet they did there research. We here on the forums are but a minority.

    As for the expansion, well with any game I dunno its never really the mechanics that sell a game to me, nor certain content. It's mostly scenery, role-playability and if there is some form of group content - I only speak for myself when I say the rest is just fluff to me. Whilst yes I do like to dive into fluffy things on occasion, its an option rather than a deal maker or breaker.

    I enjoy this game for the above reasons, I've never played any game this long. (Admittedly initially I was dragged her kicking and screaming by my then friend now fiance)

    So when I was going to buy the expansion I was presently surprised that she had already purchased it for me.

    Happy all round.

    I can't see any negativity towards my own reasons...everyones just different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaMac View Post
    If I were you, Id wait untill open beta and try it yourself. wait till the NDA is lifted to see what the beta testers are saying about it. You could be buying something you absolutely hate. Just my advice.

    We are getting the new trait system regardless of whether we like it or not, or pay for it or not. It's the new content that I'm looking for. I love doing quests.


    I've been wearing the new armour. For once, Turbine made an armour set I like. Took them 6 years but they did it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymphonic View Post
    We are getting the new trait system regardless of whether we like it or not, or pay for it or not. It's the new content that I'm looking for. I love doing quests.


    I've been wearing the new armour. For once, Turbine made an armour set I like. Took them 6 years but they did it!
    That's exactly why I'm not buying: if the class restructuring (especially the threat revamp) ends up being something that isn't fun for me, no amount of new content will make it worth my cash, and I'll move on to something that fits my style better. Plus, I don't know if the battles will satisfy my desire for 6-man and 12-man classic battle content, so I'm waiting on the reviews of that. I hope I'll like it all (I really want to) and that I'll buy the expansion and be around forever. And I have to say that horse is sooooooo tempting! But bottom line: everyone has to evaluate their financial situation and what makes the game enjoyable to them. That answer will be different for everyone. My current situation dictates that I be very cautious about spending money on any luxury, so I have to weigh things very carefully.

 

 
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