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    Helm's Deep: A Good Way to Implement Big Battles+Epics

    Currently, as everyone knows, Turbine will be selling the expansion with the Epic Questline as part of it.

    In my opinion, another good way to implement this into the store would be:

    Helm's Deep-Road to War Cluster

    -Access to the Epic Storyline throughout the Helm's Deep Expansion
    -One time usage of the Epic Battles required to complete the Epic Storyline*

    *The "One time" usage does not off any rewards(Meaning people will still have to get Epic Battles) and the limit is not taken off until the battle is completed.

    This means that players can still complete the epics for a cheaper price(900tp, anyone?), and it might even lead to them eventually buying the expansion, if they like the little taste of Epic Battles provided.

    Thank you for your time,
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    If you think im paying 900TP for the epic line you're gravely mistaken. The whole RoR quest pack costs 1500. I'd at most pay 150 for just the epic (but really if they're gonna do what you suggest they would just make this "Road to War" thing free. The point isn't to make money off of the epic; its to make money off of people buying the xpac or the battle

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    Quote Originally Posted by warthogonfire View Post
    If you think im paying 900TP for the epic line you're gravely mistaken. The whole RoR quest pack costs 1500. I'd at most pay 150 for just the epic (but really if they're gonna do what you suggest they would just make this "Road to War" thing free. The point isn't to make money off of the epic; its to make money off of people buying the xpac or the battle
    Good point, and I believe it would be nice if the epic was free, but the fact that Big Battles come into it, they are going to want to charge money... I'd be willing to give 150tp, but know that people will be able to do the big battles, they'll want to charge around 900 tp.

    If they do it for 150-300, I'm in!
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    Quote Originally Posted by warthogonfire View Post
    If you think im paying 900TP for the epic line you're gravely mistaken. The whole RoR quest pack costs 1500. I'd at most pay 150 for just the epic (but really if they're gonna do what you suggest they would just make this "Road to War" thing free. The point isn't to make money off of the epic; its to make money off of people buying the xpac or the battle
    But what was the TP price of RoR quest pack at launch, last year?

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    I am going to take some heat for saying this but I am going to be honest my opinion here. People who play the game completely free need to stop complaining. IF you really do enjoy grinding TP to pay for things I totally understand that. But People need to understand that in order for this game to continue on, Turbine needs to make money on it. If you really do enjoy this game..support the company and the expansion with cash. You will get the epic story and big battles. I keep my subscription going even when I am taking time off. I want to support this game so I know it will be there when I come back. I am not trying to piss anyone off...I just really want people to support the game $ you spend so much time playing.

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    They'd have to implement a new special case mechanic for this "one-time usage", that cost would likely offset whatever additional revenue is generated by it. If there is additional revenue from such a feature, which I think is questionable at best (as no doubt there will be people buying this instead of the expansion). Note that while buying 100 TP costs us about $1, Turbines revenue from us spending 100 TP is only a fraction of that. Also items with a high TP-price likely have a better TP-to-cash revenue rate than items that cost a smaller TP amount (which can be farmed easily).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimdi View Post
    They'd have to implement a new special case mechanic for this "one-time usage", that cost would likely offset whatever additional revenue is generated by it.
    While i dont claim to be in the know, there are enough existing examples to go against this argument.

    In Volume II, you can play soloized versions of Nala-Dum and Lumul-Nar. For big Battles, they already HAVE soloized versions existing, so its just a matter of the game granting access rights. Other examples are the Angmar and Isengard epics. There are also really enough one-shot instances and session plays available to discredit the idea that you cant have parallel but incompatible versions of the same spaces because of server load or whatever.

    As to the access right handling, the system seems to be pretty seamlessly integrated. When you buy access to an instance in the store, you can virtually instantly enter it. If you lose your VIP, you instantly and seamlessly lose access.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biglebowskki View Post
    I am going to take some heat for saying this but I am going to be honest my opinion here. People who play the game completely free need to stop complaining. IF you really do enjoy grinding TP to pay for things I totally understand that. But People need to understand that in order for this game to continue on, Turbine needs to make money on it. If you really do enjoy this game..support the company and the expansion with cash. You will get the epic story and big battles. I keep my subscription going even when I am taking time off. I want to support this game so I know it will be there when I come back. I am not trying to piss anyone off...I just really want people to support the game $ you spend so much time playing.
    Good post and I absolutely agree and do the same thing.

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    It is hard to imagine that noone in T. got the idea of 'one-time usage' of Epic Battles, for Epic Q purposes. This wouldn't even be a precedent for such an approach.
    So, it seems that the inclusion of the Epic Q in the expansion aims to artificially 'increase' its value and justify the $ price. Fair enough, it's kinda business thing.

    But then I wouldn't expect separate TP offers for [quests + Epic Q] and [Epic Battles 'cluster']. This would mean they can be, and are, separated. In such a case, not offering the Epic Q for free (as until now) will look a bit weird. Furthermore, if the Epic Q is indeed such an 'incredibly integral part of the Battles' and it will be a 'total crime' to go for it without buying the Battles, then you shouldn't be able to do so in the first place. My guess is - one TP price for HD, everything included. Buying the content in grindable pieces is bad for business. It's time for everything-or-nothing approach, combined with 'boutique offers' such as useless hobby-horse at the price of an expansion, new store mount every month, etc..

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    Quote Originally Posted by robbie1435 View Post
    Currently, as everyone knows, Turbine will be selling the expansion with the Epic Questline as part of it.

    In my opinion, another good way to implement this into the store would be:

    Helm's Deep-Road to War Cluster

    -Access to the Epic Storyline throughout the Helm's Deep Expansion
    -One time usage of the Epic Battles required to complete the Epic Storyline*

    *The "One time" usage does not off any rewards(Meaning people will still have to get Epic Battles) and the limit is not taken off until the battle is completed.

    This means that players can still complete the epics for a cheaper price(900tp, anyone?), and it might even lead to them eventually buying the expansion, if they like the little taste of Epic Battles provided.

    Thank you for your time,
    Glorgnorbor
    If Turbine were able to implement the "One Time" usage, dont you think they would have done so and included the Epics for free? I'm 99.99% sure their inability to make such a feature is a primary reason that Epics won't be free in HD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elrantiri View Post
    If Turbine were able to implement the "One Time" usage, dont you think they would have done so and included the Epics for free? I'm 99.99% sure their inability to make such a feature is a primary reason that Epics won't be free in HD.
    I find it a bit naive to point exactly this as the 'primary reason'. Especially since there are other, much better candidates for the position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danchir View Post
    I find it a bit naive to point exactly this as the 'primary reason'. Especially since there are other, much better candidates for the position.
    Not 'the' primary reason, 'a' primary reason. Surely there's other issues to be handled as well.

 

 

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