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    The sorrowful state of the Eldar servers

    Greetings,
    i don't like to use the forum to complain unless strictly needed and today i'm afraid i can't really avoid that, it's the 4th day in a row here on Eldar that when we reach more than 60 players on the field the game become unusable for the freep side, if it goes well we can use a skill every 10 seconds, if it goes bad we can only watch the creeps killing us happily and undisturbed, it's not the first time that happens but never for 4 days in a row, it's very miserable for the freeps and, in the end, also for the creeps, because after 2 or 3 attempts you can only disband the raid and stop the farming, no fun for freeps, no fun for creeps, so i'd be curious to know how's the situation in the other servers, is this a common scenario for all servers? For the european servers only? Or here on Eldar the pvp players are children of a lesser God (with the same monthly fee though)? Thanks to all the replies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manes View Post
    Greetings,
    i don't like to use the forum to complain unless strictly needed and today i'm afraid i can't really avoid that, it's the 4th day in a row here on Eldar that when we reach more than 60 players on the field the game become unusable for the freep side, if it goes well we can use a skill every 10 seconds, if it goes bad we can only watch the creeps killing us happily and undisturbed, it's not the first time that happens but never for 4 days in a row, it's very miserable for the freeps and, in the end, also for the creeps, because after 2 or 3 attempts you can only disband the raid and stop the farming, no fun for freeps, no fun for creeps, so i'd be curious to know how's the situation in the other servers, is this a common scenario for all servers? For the european servers only? Or here on Eldar the pvp players are children of a lesser God (with the same monthly fee though)? Thanks to all the replies.
    It's funny because the creep advocates keep saying that there is no lagg on freepside "when they're on freepside" and pretend the lagg is just an excuse for wiping.

    (There is lagg on both sides, but it's exponentially higher on freepside, and those without $2000 PC's all know that it takes 5 minutes to load freepside and 20 seconds to load creepside for a reason)

    This issue is game-wide my friend and judging from all the recent updates you can tell that Turbine has already shut the door into having a focus on fixing/improving PvMP on this game.

    In all actuality don't expect it to get better, and start looking for another game to find your PvP out-take. LOTRO is not a game for PvP and Turbine doesn't even bother with it anymore, they just throw a piece of meat (ie: some lame update like The Bird) and hope to scrounge up the last bits of money they can through what is left of the PvP'ers while not caring for them at all.

    Just spend two minutes to honestly think about what Turbine has done for the improvement of PvMP in this game and you'll come to your answer.

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    QQ from Odo?
    It takes longer to load freep because of all the qsts and deeds etc you have on your char, and odo lag on creepside has been just as bad lately so pls don't excuse your poor play on that. last nite was a prime example. creeps wiped freeps and they blamed lag and disbanded. when i have from a reliable source that wasn't the case.
    the lag on both sides has been crazy past week or so for both sides not just freepside

    l2p

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deniorona View Post
    QQ from Odo?
    It takes longer to load freep because of all the qsts and deeds etc you have on your char, and odo lag on creepside has been just as bad lately so pls don't excuse your poor play on that. last nite was a prime example. creeps wiped freeps and they blamed lag and disbanded. when i have from a reliable source that wasn't the case.
    the lag on both sides has been crazy past week or so for both sides not just freepside

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deniorona View Post
    QQ from Odo?
    It takes longer to load freep because of all the qsts and deeds etc you have on your char, and odo lag on creepside has been just as bad lately so pls don't excuse your poor play on that. last nite was a prime example. creeps wiped freeps and they blamed lag and disbanded. when i have from a reliable source that wasn't the case.
    the lag on both sides has been crazy past week or so for both sides not just freepside

    l2p
    ** Out of topic ** As you can see the pvp on Eldar ain't sorrowful just for the servers but because that person is the representative of the average creep, guess she's complaining i didn't make a 2nd attempt yesterday so they could have made free infamy again, just let me note that when she says that yesterday her "reliable source" told her it wasn't the case, she implicitly admits that in the previous days lag was horrible and i was right, fyi there won't be any 2nd attempt until this situation get fixed. ** Out of topic **

    Coming back on topic, i just would like to know how's the situation in the other servers and especially in the last days, because we've been able to have huge fights in Eldar and i'm trying to understand what's going on lately.
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    For those of you reading this who don't play on Eldar, please allow me to translate this piece of QQ from the OP.

    I am a fail hobbit hunter who can't solo in the 'moors. Whenever I do come into the 'moors, I always raid up even though there won't be a craid, just solo creeps and small tribe groups. I will take all the DoF buffs and turn the map blue. I will then camp grams with a fraid, earning easy renown at little risk. I have been doing this for about 3 months, and funnily enough, I have never complained about lag in all that time, even when there is often 40-50 freeps online and all in the same place, e.g. taking Tol. One creep raid leader has regularly been trying to fight back, even when creeps have the ON buff, but often has to fill his craid with low ranks, or can't get enough healers etc. Thus it has been easy to wipe the creeps and earn plenty of renown in the process.

    However, due to my style of play, and that of the other fail hobbit (burg) raid leader on Eldar, a lot of 'Old School'/longer serving FREEPS have been critising my style of leadership and not as many freeps have been joining my raids. Indeed some are now playing creepside (please read postings on the Eldar forums PvMP section over the past week or so). Also FOUR days ago, the best raid leader on creepside (Webss) returned to the game after a break due to RL committments and began leading raids against me and for the first time in a long time, creeps have been regularly wiping the fraids I am leading. Indeed, last night Webss' raid wiped my fraid 4 times in a row, so I disbanded.

    I don't want to blame my own incompetence on the creeps wiping us, so I will blame lag...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SongSinger View Post
    For those of you reading this who don't play on Eldar, please allow me to translate this piece of QQ from the OP.

    I am a fail hobbit hunter who can't solo in the 'moors. Whenever I do come into the 'moors, I always raid up even though there won't be a craid, just solo creeps and small tribe groups. I will take all the DoF buffs and turn the map blue. I will then camp grams with a fraid, earning easy renown at little risk. I have been doing this for about 3 months, and funnily enough, I have never complained about lag in all that time, even when there is often 40-50 freeps online and all in the same place, e.g. taking Tol. One creep raid leader has regularly been trying to fight back, even when creeps have the ON buff, but often has to fill his craid with low ranks, or can't get enough healers etc. Thus it has been easy to wipe the creeps and earn plenty of renown in the process.

    However, due to my style of play, and that of the other fail hobbit (burg) raid leader on Eldar, a lot of 'Old School'/longer serving FREEPS have been critising my style of leadership and not as many freeps have been joining my raids. Indeed some are now playing creepside (please read postings on the Eldar forums PvMP section over the past week or so). Also FOUR days ago, the best raid leader on creepside (Webss) returned to the game after a break due to RL committments and began leading raids against me and for the first time in a long time, creeps have been regularly wiping the fraids I am leading. Indeed, last night Webss' raid wiped my fraid 4 times in a row, so I disbanded.

    I don't want to blame my own incompetence on the creeps wiping us, so I will blame lag...
    Sorry but seems i have to go out of topic again, first of all i'm now so close to rank 15 that i could even rank with dailies quests only and just ignore the actual fights (you would,eh?), second i'm not gonna buy helm's deep at start so long time will pass before you see me again in etten, third and more important i am still a customer of this game so if Turbine don't answer me i hope other players will help me to understand what's going on, if you say lag is problem for creeps side also then you should support my legit request of a better server, i don't understand why some days we can fight with 80 players around and some others we can't when there's half of that around or why everything changes within the same evening like saturday in exemple, when we had 4 great fights and after that freeps started to lag badly till remaining completely stuck, as i already said if this keeps happening i'm not gonna go for a 2nd attempt but i will disband immediately, the Ettenmoors is a vip area and i would like an at least minimal quality of service assured.
    About all the things you wrote about me, i don't know who you are, your age and what problems you got in your life (because it's clear you got some problems), but making posts talking bad about someone will not really help you, trust me, you might make laugh the ones like you but the most will just think you're pathetic so...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SongSinger View Post
    For those of you reading this who don't play on Eldar, please allow me to translate this piece of QQ from the OP.

    I am a fail hobbit hunter who can't solo in the 'moors. Whenever I do come into the 'moors, I always raid up even though there won't be a craid, just solo creeps and small tribe groups. I will take all the DoF buffs and turn the map blue. I will then camp grams with a fraid, earning easy renown at little risk. I have been doing this for about 3 months, and funnily enough, I have never complained about lag in all that time, even when there is often 40-50 freeps online and all in the same place, e.g. taking Tol. One creep raid leader has regularly been trying to fight back, even when creeps have the ON buff, but often has to fill his craid with low ranks, or can't get enough healers etc. Thus it has been easy to wipe the creeps and earn plenty of renown in the process.

    However, due to my style of play, and that of the other fail hobbit (burg) raid leader on Eldar, a lot of 'Old School'/longer serving FREEPS have been critising my style of leadership and not as many freeps have been joining my raids. Indeed some are now playing creepside (please read postings on the Eldar forums PvMP section over the past week or so). Also FOUR days ago, the best raid leader on creepside (Webss) returned to the game after a break due to RL committments and began leading raids against me and for the first time in a long time, creeps have been regularly wiping the fraids I am leading. Indeed, last night Webss' raid wiped my fraid 4 times in a row, so I disbanded.

    I don't want to blame my own incompetence on the creeps wiping us, so I will blame lag...
    The really odd thing about this post is that the style of play mentioned is exactly what creeps have been doing the last week or so on Eldar. As for Deni... your freep spies have you misinformed love. If i was you i would recheck my sources before coming to the forums and lying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manes View Post
    ..i just would like to know how's the situation in the other servers and especially in the last days, because we've been able to have huge fights in Eldar and i'm trying to understand what's going on lately.
    I can't answer for how it's been the last days since I haven't been online but compared to other servers I find Eldar not bad at all. Yes some days the lag is worse then others without there being a known explanation for it but this is a problem on all servers I have visited.
    The only advice I can give is to play solo or in small groups instead of big raids all the time when the lag is making the game almost "unplayable".
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    Well is there and everyone knows that, but fact is that not many people know that the lag affects freepside far more than creepside.

    But the whole thread seems like server related QQ more of a beg to GM to get rid of lag.

    since this thread might get closed to be out of topic I might say ........ >>>>>>>>>>Transfer to LANDY!!! =D We have THE BEST community and raid leaders on both sides!!! BEST PVP THAN ANY OTHER SERVER!!!<<<<<<<<<<

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manes View Post
    Greetings,
    i don't like to use the forum to complain unless strictly needed and today i'm afraid i can't really avoid that, it's the 4th day in a row here on Eldar that (*1) when we reach more than 60 players on the field the game become unusable for the freep side, if it goes well we can use a skill every 10 seconds, if it goes bad we can only watch the creeps killing us happily and undisturbed, it's not the first time that happens but never for 4 days in a row, (*2)it's very miserable for the freeps and, in the end, also for the creeps, because after 2 or 3 attempts you can only disband the raid and stop the farming, no fun for freeps, no fun for creeps, so (*3) i'd be curious to know how's the situation in the other servers, is this a common scenario for all servers? For the european servers only? Or here on Eldar the pvp players are children of a lesser God (with the same monthly fee though)? Thanks to all the replies.

    Maggots and pies alike, seriously, stop bringing your server disputes to the main forum. If you want to ask about 'worldwide lag', one does simply just that.


    1. If you lag, creeps lag. On rare ocassions creeps lag the most, generally froobs get the worst of it. That don't mean creeps don't get skill lag when you get it, it's just a 'tad' less.

    2. rofl, thanks for the giggles.

    3. There's no reasoning with the lag, it comes and goes as it pleases, jumping from server to server as it seems fit. I play on 4 different servers, 2 EU, 2 US, on rare ocassions the lag is worldwide, generally it's server specific and normally last, in my experience, between 1-3 days. (We're talking the really REAL bad lag here.) And no, none of the servers I play on have had noticeably worse lag than normally lately.


    Hope this helps.




    Since you got me started and all, I also took the liberty of sorting your post out to something more 'fitting' for the main munster forum just for future reference and ocassions, should any arise.

    Quote Originally Posted by Manes View Post
    Greetings. I don't like to use the main monster forum to start internal server flame wars. Bye.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poxnoxious View Post
    Maggots and pies alike, seriously, stop bringing your server disputes to the main forum. If you want to ask about 'worldwide lag', one does simply just that.


    1. If you lag, creeps lag. On rare ocassions creeps lag the most, generally froobs get the worst of it. That don't mean creeps don't get skill lag when you get it, it's just a 'tad' less.

    2. rofl, thanks for the giggles.

    3. There's no reasoning with the lag, it comes and goes as it pleases, jumping from server to server as it seems fit. I play on 4 different servers, 2 EU, 2 US, on rare ocassions the lag is worldwide, generally it's server specific and normally last, in my experience, between 1-3 days. (We're talking the really REAL bad lag here.) And no, none of the servers I play on have had noticeably worse lag than normally lately.


    Hope this helps.




    Since you got me started and all, I also took the liberty of sorting your post out to something more 'fitting' for the main munster forum just for future reference and ocassions, should any arise.
    Sorry your post doesn't help or add anything to the thread, i am in etten by SoA times, i changed 3 gaming pc since i started to play lotro (and few times i use my laptoto, too) and counting all my chars i got way over 4.000.000 of renown so i know what i'm talking about, i know when lag comes from server, i know when comes from my pc or my isp and i applied all the best graphics settings for the Ettenmoors, a so evident discrepancy in lag between the two sides arrived with RoR, never noticed it before, it was lasting 1 or 2 days max anyway , in the last days though this is happening every evening so the problem became clear to everybody and makes me sad to see someone who's not paid by Turbine (i guess so at least) blame other players who come to the forum to complain, what are we supposed to do then? Go and collect bounder's tokens in angmar? Why do we have to be forced to play the game in the way they want instead of the way we customers want? In ettens freeps can't play properly from 6 to 9pm gmt, if you can stay in game late you can have some fight, if not you're doomed to lag and many give up soon usually, should we be even thankful for that? Are there limits beyond which it's not guaranteed a proper play? Is it the same for all the servers? Is it a problem of hardware resources? Is it a problem of net code? Is it a problem of bandwith? You know, some of us would like to have a serious, professional and technical answer to those questions, i never seen an official post or page about how to improve performance in pvp area, i suppose for you "it's fault of the influence of Sauron" will clear any doubt you have, but for me ain't enough and if i can't play the game i love when and how i want, i expect someone up there to explain me why at least (and why not, refund all the players who paid monthly fee just for pvp).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manes View Post
    Sorry your post doesn't help or add anything to the thread, i am in etten by SoA times, i changed 3 gaming pc since i started to play lotro (and few times i use my laptoto, too) and counting all my chars i got way over 4.000.000 of renown so i know what i'm talking about, i know when lag comes from server, i know when comes from my pc or my isp and i applied all the best graphics settings for the Ettenmoors, a so evident discrepancy in lag between the two sides arrived with RoR, never noticed it before, it was lasting 1 or 2 days max anyway , in the last days though this is happening every evening so the problem became clear to everybody and makes me sad to see someone who's not paid by Turbine (i guess so at least) blame other players who come to the forum to complain, what are we supposed to do then? Go and collect bounder's tokens in angmar? Why do we have to be forced to play the game in the way they want instead of the way we customers want? In ettens freeps can't play properly from 6 to 9pm gmt, if you can stay in game late you can have some fight, if not you're doomed to lag and many give up soon usually, should we be even thankful for that? Are there limits beyond which it's not guaranteed a proper play? Is it the same for all the servers? Is it a problem of hardware resources? Is it a problem of net code? Is it a problem of bandwith? You know, some of us would like to have a serious, professional and technical answer to those questions, i never seen an official post or page about how to improve performance in pvp area, i suppose for you "it's fault of the influence of Sauron" will clear any doubt you have, but for me ain't enough and if i can't play the game i love when and how i want, i expect someone up there to explain me why at least (and why not, refund all the players who paid monthly fee just for pvp).

    Roll a reaver --> unsub. Or leave the game. You do realize this is Turbine you're 'talking to', yus?


    Hope this helps.
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    I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the source of the lag is more to do with the age of the engine/architecture of Lotro failing to keep up with complex mechanics and all the numerous gameplay elements of classes that the Devs have stacked on top of each other over the last 6+ years. Players that now carry round 5, 6, 7 or more lines of buffs for example just add to the burden on the server. So I don't know if there could even be a hardware fix. Only a complete game redesign, and updated game engine would probably fix these lag issues.

    But don't think for a minute that lag isn't bad on creepside, it is. It's often terrible. We get the same spikes, the same halting frame rates, and the same skill lockups that the freeps are getting. The only reason (I presume) that you Odo and the freeps are suddenly experiencing severe lag all of a sudden, is the recent inflated creep population. The ON buff maybe new to you, but it is very familiar to us. And we just put up with it, and the lag that invariably comes with it.

    And we still fight nonetheless! We fight through it. So suck it up!

    For an example of creep lag see this vid from about 4 months ago, the creepraid facing some ~40 freeps at Lug gy. The fight starts about 3mins in. I have a reasonably hi-spec PC too, and this is the common nightly lag we have to put up with.

    (best watched at 720p)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwyndor View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the source of the lag is more to do with the age of the engine/architecture of Lotro failing to keep up with complex mechanics and all the numerous gameplay elements of classes that the Devs have stacked on top of each other over the last 6+ years. Players that now carry round 5, 6, 7 or more lines of buffs for example just add to the burden on the server. So I don't know if there could even be a hardware fix. Only a complete game redesign, and updated game engine would probably fix these lag issues.

    But don't think for a minute that lag isn't bad on creepside, it is. It's often terrible. We get the same spikes, the same halting frame rates, and the same skill lockups that the freeps are getting. The only reason (I presume) that you Odo and the freeps are suddenly experiencing severe lag all of a sudden, is the recent inflated creep population. The ON buff maybe new to you, but it is very familiar to us. And we just put up with it, and the lag that invariably comes with it.

    And we still fight nonetheless! We fight through it. So suck it up!
    I'm starting to love your posts, you start with a semblance of seriousness like if you were really interested in the topic and then you go to the real reason of your presence here, to defend your little turf hoping the situation remains the same in the end, you know very well how it ends when there's no lag on Eldar, some of the creeps with skills came to have a propositive discussion instead and i thank them but i'm afraid it's not enough, hope only the european players are not the cash cows used to guarantee adequate performances to the american players...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwyndor View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the source of the lag is more to do with the age of the engine/architecture of Lotro failing to keep up with complex mechanics and all the numerous gameplay elements of classes that the Devs have stacked on top of each other over the last 6+ years. Players that now carry round 5, 6, 7 or more lines of buffs for example just add to the burden on the server. So I don't know if there could even be a hardware fix. Only a complete game redesign, and updated game engine would probably fix these lag issues.

    But don't think for a minute that lag isn't bad on creepside, it is. It's often terrible. We get the same spikes, the same halting frame rates, and the same skill lockups that the freeps are getting. The only reason (I presume) that you Odo and the freeps are suddenly experiencing severe lag all of a sudden, is the recent inflated creep population. The ON buff maybe new to you, but it is very familiar to us. And we just put up with it, and the lag that invariably comes with it.

    And we still fight nonetheless! We fight through it. So suck it up!

    For an example of creep lag see this vid from about 4 months ago, the creepraid facing some ~40 freeps at Lug gy. The fight starts about 3mins in. I have a reasonably hi-spec PC too, and this is the common nightly lag we have to put up with.

    (best watched at 720p)

    Maybe lags, but i like video

 

 

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