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  1. #1
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    Punch Back. A Call to Arms!

    I wish to begin by saying that Hinellas of Riddermark inspired me to make this thread.

    Her original thread (and it is full of awesomeness) is here: https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...y-Observations

    So, let me guess. Like me, all of you are probably stuck on some server where the PvP is terrible. Freeps are overpowered. Freeps probably have close to (if not) superior numbers by now. (I've never seen the ON buff creepside this many times on my server). Just about every Freep is a Warden, Lore-master, Captain, Runekeeper, or Minstrel, right? Do you make small creep groups to match, and sometimes wipe them a few times? Then they come back with even larger numbers, wipe you, flip the map, and camp Grams and sit on the keeps right? I'm almost certain that, like me, you are sick and tired of the same routine over and over and over again, every time you log on. Are you really tired of it? Do you want to do something about it? Searching for a solution? Here's mine:

    Punch Back

    They make a fraid? You go put together a craid. They heal-stack groups by grabbing all the healers out of the woodwork? You go get some Warleaders and Defilers. Put together a Warg-Pack and take those healers out, or slow em down. They want to play the OP musical chairs game? Fine, play it with em. If they flip all the OP's, make it your business to flip em all back. They're camping Grams? Put together a craid and wipe em. Push them back to the rez and turn the tables on them.

    Time and time again, Freeps have shown they're scared of us. I'm sure all of you have seen (at one point) Freeps with superior numbers hiding in some rez or keep from a Creep group of lesser numbers and, occasionally, lesser experience and rank. Without a raid-leader, many Freeps can't do jack. So don't be afraid to push them. They will fall back.

    Once upon a time, I believed that Creeps alone could help shape PvP with their gameplay actions. Funny right? Boy, was I wrong. It takes both sides to make PvP better. Many (I said many, not all. Those who care know who they are.) Freeps have proven again and again that they don't care. They couldn't care less about camping greenies at the rez or at Grams. They don't care if the action dies. They don't care and will probably deny that they are overpowered as they run away, blowing all their CDs. If they don't care, why should we? It takes two sides to make this work, not just one. They have shown that they are not willing to make that commitment. So, A Eruchîn, ú-dano i faelas a hyn an uben tanatha le faelas....show them no mercy, for you shall receive none. This is not a call to go around zerging and interrupting 1v1's...this is a call to not let up on Freeps. Not one bit. For they would not show you any if they were in your shoes.

    I challenge everyone who this threads speaks to, and holds some meaning for (I hope I didn't waste half and hour typing this for no reason) to post this or it's link on their server's PvP section.

    So for those who went "ew tl;dr" :P. STAND, CREEPS OF THE MOORS!
    Last edited by Selebrimbor; Sep 17 2013 at 10:12 AM. Reason: Grammatical Incorrectness
    I've been at the mercy of men just following orders. Never again.

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    We, the creeps of Brandywine, have already taken heed to this muster and have done for many months. Fighting 2 fraids almost every day, we still persevere through the chaos and fight on to the bitter end.


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    Cool story, bro, just needs more dragons!

    This story varies greatly from server to server...

    On Silverlode the creeps tend to run raids with 10-12 healers, it's the freeps that will repeatedly come back for a beating (mainly because creeps are more patient on our server, career creeps usually are). Creeps have all day to PvE, they typically hold most of the buffs because we have one very active tribe that makes PvE their main priority (which means they avoid a fight, too).

    There are a good supply of leaders on freepside, in fact, two of the 4 creep leaders will even lead on freepside from time to time, besides them there are easily another 7 fcompetent freep leaders. Leadership is severely lacking on creepside, that's usually when the grams camps happen.

    However, I couldn't agree more, it really does take both sides to make PvP better. Right now the mentailty is zerg or be zerged, nothing in between.

    My hope is this: the closer we get to Helm's Deep the more bored people will become - they may play more in the moors, hopefully the creeps do too!
    Irin r8 Hunter // Arngar r8 Burg // Akthuri r15 LM // Vishus r5 Captain // Curad r10 (active) Mini

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irin19 View Post

    There are a good supply of leaders on freepside, in fact, two of the 4 creep leaders will even lead on freepside from time to time, besides them there are easily another 7 fcompetent freep leaders. Leadership is severely lacking on creepside, that's usually when the grams camps happen.
    Can you send 3-4 of them to Brandywine? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irin19 View Post
    Cool story, bro, just needs more dragons!
    Dragons with semi-automatic lazers.

    Right now the mentailty is zerg or be zerged, nothing in between.
    Thirty freeps followed me into OC last night - or thought they did (I didn't actually go inside OC). I've recently been joining the raid. Did you know that "Akthuri" translates into "SQUIRREL" in Creep language.

    I wish there was more space in the Moors. The Delving helps but it's hard to spread out in such a small zone = specially with the fast horses and the over-lapping map spots.
    Purely~Scrumptious

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irin19 View Post
    Cool story, bro, just needs more dragons!

    This story varies greatly from server to server...

    On Silverlode the creeps tend to run raids with 10-12 healers, it's the freeps that will repeatedly come back for a beating (mainly because creeps are more patient on our server, career creeps usually are). Creeps have all day to PvE, they typically hold most of the buffs because we have one very active tribe that makes PvE their main priority (which means they avoid a fight, too).

    There are a good supply of leaders on freepside, in fact, two of the 4 creep leaders will even lead on freepside from time to time, besides them there are easily another 7 fcompetent freep leaders. Leadership is severely lacking on creepside, that's usually when the grams camps happen.

    However, I couldn't agree more, it really does take both sides to make PvP better. Right now the mentailty is zerg or be zerged, nothing in between.

    My hope is this: the closer we get to Helm's Deep the more bored people will become - they may play more in the moors, hopefully the creeps do too!
    I have to disagree with you some. We might get to 10 healers when we fill out the full 24 man raid but sometimes we have fewer. We strive for 8 for 24. The typical freep response to a wipe is a call in glff like "ZOMG NEED MOAR FREEPS IN THE MOORS!!!1!". While I mostly pvp creepside I remember seeing those calls all the time in glff. Creepside has the outnumbered buff more nights than not. Just last night we had some great battles going till the freeps decided that creeps had earned enough and you brought out more than 30 to sweep the map blue.

    I will completely agree though that it takes both sides and that the pure zerg mentality is bad. I mostly raid anymore because I have to but I like being able to roam the map solo or small group and be able to actually fight now and again.

    Creep leadership is not in a good place right now. Those that are capable of leading are burnt out on doing so.
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    We Cleganes are very, very good at punching things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qwyxzl View Post
    Creep leadership is not in a good place right now. Those that are capable of leading are burnt out on doing so.
    ^This. We need others to step up and share the load.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moors-Battlemaster View Post
    We, the creeps of Brandywine, have already taken heed to this muster and have done for many months. Fighting 2 fraids almost every day, we still persevere through the chaos and fight on to the bitter end.

    I salute you my creep brethren! Keep fighting until the end!

    There is one part of this post that I forgot to include:

    Greenies. Don't be afraid to help out greenies now and then..it will improve Creepside exponentially. Help out with PvP forum posts giving tips and advice or by giving in-game advice or help.

    Also, as I said earlier in this post, share the load. Don't look to one or two leaders on Creepside to always be leading the raid...get one going on your own too.
    I've been at the mercy of men just following orders. Never again.

  9. #9
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selebrimbor View Post
    I wish to begin by saying that Hinellas of Riddermark inspired me to make this thread.

    Her original thread (and it is full of awesomeness) is here: https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...y-Observations

    So, let me guess. Like me, all of you are probably stuck on some server where the PvP is terrible. Freeps are overpowered. Freeps probably have close to (if not) superior numbers by now. (I've never seen the ON buff creepside this many times on my server). Just about every Freep is a Warden, Lore-master, Captain, Runekeeper, or Minstrel, right? Do you make small creep groups to match, and sometimes wipe them a few times? Then they come back with even larger numbers, wipe you, flip the map, and camp Grams and sit on the keeps right? I'm almost certain that, like me, you are sick and tired of the same routine over and over and over again, every time you log on. Are you really tired of it? Do you want to do something about it? Searching for a solution? Here's mine:

    Punch Back

    They make a fraid? You go put together a craid. They heal-stack groups by grabbing all the healers out of the woodwork? You go get some Warleaders and Defilers. Put together a Warg-Pack and take those healers out, or slow em down. They want to play the OP musical chairs game? Fine, play it with em. If they flip all the OP's, make it your business to flip em all back. They're camping Grams? Put together a craid and wipe em. Push them back to the rez and turn the tables on them.

    Time and time again, Freeps have shown they're scared of us. I'm sure all of you have seen (at one point) Freeps with superior numbers hiding in some rez or keep from a Creep group of lesser numbers and, occasionally, lesser experience and rank. Without a raid-leader, many Freeps can't do jack. So don't be afraid to push them. They will fall back.

    Once upon a time, I believed that Creeps alone could help shape PvP with their gameplay actions. Funny right? Boy, was I wrong. It takes both sides to make PvP better. Many (I said many, not all. Those who care know who they are.) Freeps have proven again and again that they don't care. They couldn't care less about camping greenies at the rez or at Grams. They don't care if the action dies. They don't care and will probably deny that they are overpowered as they run away, blowing all their CDs. If they don't care, why should we? It takes two sides to make this work, not just one. They have shown that they are not willing to make that commitment. So, A Eruchîn, ú-dano i faelas a hyn an uben tanatha le faelas....show them no mercy, for you shall receive none. This is not a call to go around zerging and interrupting 1v1's...this is a call to not let up on Freeps. Not one bit. For they would not show you any if they were in your shoes.

    I challenge everyone who this threads speaks to, and holds some meaning for (I hope I didn't waste half and hour typing this for no reason) to post this or it's link on their server's PvP section.

    So for those who went "ew tl;dr" :P. STAND, CREEPS OF THE MOORS!
    Would be the exact opposite on our server, we make a six man, they go straight to craid... Well, then again there are alot of gold taggers, but whatcha gonna do.
    Hinras, Cappy, rank 9 - Highguard of Numenor

 

 

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