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    Quote Originally Posted by redwoodtreesprite View Post
    I am getting a bit concerned, as the harvest festival may not be a long one if it follows the shorter festival pattern of this year.

    And with HD release being mid November, and the drop rate kept so low even with festivals and events not running, there will just not be enough tokens for getting much more than a combo tool and XP pocket item per character.

    The dead silence from Turbine makes it clear they don't care at all. But that is pretty much the norm with them. Ah well....
    Fingers crossed that the build up to HD arrival includes a cascade of bounders bags...

    I got 5 tokens today! So not in danger of being washed away in a tsunami of tokens just yet! Although they do say that an early warning sign of an immanent arrival of a tidal wave is when the tide flies out, leaving no water to be seen, just seabed, and then 'Woosh!' (i do so like onomatopoeia)...

    ...lets hope the floods of bags, and the contained therein tokens, arrive soon...
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    Quote Originally Posted by tsunamimc View Post
    Fingers crossed that the build up to HD arrival includes a cascade of bounders bags...

    I got 5 tokens today! So not in danger of being washed away in a tsunami of tokens just yet! Although they do say that an early warning sign of an immanent arrival of a tidal wave is when the tide flies out, leaving no water to be seen, just seabed, and then 'Woosh!' (i do so like onomatopoeia)...

    ...lets hope the floods of bags, and the contained therein tokens, arrive soon...
    I haven't farmed in a few days, so no hard data to post at the moment, but I assume I had a bit of a lucky streak a couple of nights ago.

    My hunter was farming Hoar Mantles outside Esteldin for sturdy hides to make armor for my LM and Burglar. She killed about 100-200 Hoar mantles for 300+ hides.

    She ended up getting six bags in that time though they were all +5s apart from one +10.

    I may farm some this evening if I'm in the mood and log chat to see what sort of rates. I've gotten some here and there while getting my LM, Burg and Guardian to their current levels, but nothing significant.
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    Did you watch the clock? Sounds like about 3 bags an hour. Not that far from average.
    Today I'm back to the about a bag an hour, but; me being me, I stumbled back in the north downs to talk to the ranger there, and realized I'd skipped it. lol So I have a few dozen gray quests to whip out fast, easy enough, even the elites. But I did get 3 bag in about an hour, finishing 5 quests, all with large body counts lol

    That also means stone of the tortes and no XP for anything. Right on the edge of gaining my next level, and don't want to till I have all the green and light blue quests done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manstan View Post
    Did you watch the clock? Sounds like about 3 bags an hour. Not that far from average.
    Was that to me? If so, no, more like 30 minutes, since there's about 20 Hoar Mantles on the hill and plains and they respawn every 3-5 minutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LethalLethality View Post
    Was that to me? If so, no, more like 30 minutes, since there's about 20 Hoar Mantles on the hill and plains and they respawn every 3-5 minutes.
    Yes, which makes it hard to believe you dropped those 200 in the 10 remain minutes in an hour Or 100 in 5 minutes. You'd have to drop 1 per 3 seconds to pull that off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manstan View Post
    Yes, which makes it hard to believe you dropped those 200 in the 10 remain minutes in an hour Or 100 in 5 minutes. You'd have to drop 1 per 3 seconds to pull that off.
    I'm confused. Are you saying it's not possible to drop 100-200 Hoar Mantles in about twenty minutes time? It is very possible to do so. I miscounted the number of Hoar Mantles outside Esteldin. There are approximately 50 total, but I didn't chase them all down, so more like 40, but here is a quick log I just did to double-check my earlier statement.

    Log time- 10/09 05:03 PM
    Hoar Mantle Kills- 109
    Code:
        Line 2: [10/09 05:03:53 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Placid Hoar-mantle.
        Line 10: [10/09 05:03:55 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Young Hoar-mantle.
        Line 17: [10/09 05:03:57 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Placid Hoar-mantle.
        Line 23: [10/09 05:04:00 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Placid Hoar-mantle.
        Line 29: [10/09 05:04:02 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Young Hoar-mantle.
        Line 37: [10/09 05:04:06 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Placid Hoar-mantle.
        Line 44: [10/09 05:04:08 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Placid Hoar-mantle.
        Line 52: [10/09 05:04:10 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Menacing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 59: [10/09 05:04:14 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Young Hoar-mantle.
        Line 66: [10/09 05:04:18 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Placid Hoar-mantle.
        Line 74: [10/09 05:04:24 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 79: [10/09 05:04:45 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 85: [10/09 05:04:47 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 95: [10/09 05:04:51 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Threatening Hoar-mantle.
        Line 101: [10/09 05:04:53 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Hoar-mantle Calf.
        Line 110: [10/09 05:04:56 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 120: [10/09 05:04:58 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 129: [10/09 05:05:02 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 137: [10/09 05:05:04 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Hoar-mantle Calf.
        Line 146: [10/09 05:05:09 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 155: [10/09 05:05:12 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 162: [10/09 05:05:14 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 168: [10/09 05:05:21 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Hoar-mantle Calf.
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        Line 181: [10/09 05:05:36 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Hoar-mantle Calf.
        Line 188: [10/09 05:05:39 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Hoar-mantle Calf.
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        Line 201: [10/09 05:05:51 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 207: [10/09 05:06:01 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 214: [10/09 05:06:06 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Hoar-mantle Calf.
        Line 223: [10/09 05:06:12 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
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        Line 242: [10/09 05:06:32 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Hoar-mantle Calf.
        Line 248: [10/09 05:06:39 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 255: [10/09 05:06:52 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 262: [10/09 05:07:20 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Young Hoar-mantle.
        Line 270: [10/09 05:07:22 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Placid Hoar-mantle.
        Line 277: [10/09 05:07:24 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Placid Hoar-mantle.
        Line 281: [10/09 05:07:26 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Young Hoar-mantle.
        Line 287: [10/09 05:07:29 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Placid Hoar-mantle.
        Line 295: [10/09 05:07:31 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Placid Hoar-mantle.
        Line 301: [10/09 05:07:33 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Menacing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 309: [10/09 05:07:36 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Placid Hoar-mantle.
        Line 315: [10/09 05:07:38 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Young Hoar-mantle.
        Line 324: [10/09 05:07:43 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Placid Hoar-mantle.
        Line 331: [10/09 05:08:04 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 337: [10/09 05:08:05 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Hoar-mantle Calf.
        Line 344: [10/09 05:08:10 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 351: [10/09 05:08:16 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 363: [10/09 05:08:31 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 371: [10/09 05:08:43 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 377: [10/09 05:08:57 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Threatening Hoar-mantle.
        Line 381: [10/09 05:08:59 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 390: [10/09 05:09:02 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 394: [10/09 05:09:04 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Hoar-mantle Calf.
        Line 400: [10/09 05:09:06 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 407: [10/09 05:09:10 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 413: [10/09 05:09:12 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Hoar-mantle Calf.
        Line 419: [10/09 05:09:15 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 426: [10/09 05:09:20 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 434: [10/09 05:09:23 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 443: [10/09 05:09:32 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 451: [10/09 05:09:38 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Hoar-mantle Calf.
        Line 458: [10/09 05:09:46 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 466: [10/09 05:09:52 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 472: [10/09 05:09:56 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 479: [10/09 05:10:14 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Hoar-mantle Calf.
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        Line 495: [10/09 05:10:24 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Hoar-mantle Calf.
        Line 501: [10/09 05:10:29 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Hoar-mantle Calf.
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        Line 514: [10/09 05:10:47 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Hoar-mantle Calf.
        Line 522: [10/09 05:10:53 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Hoar-mantle Calf.
        Line 529: [10/09 05:11:09 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Hoar-mantle Calf.
        Line 535: [10/09 05:11:20 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 541: [10/09 05:11:52 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Hoar-mantle Calf.
        Line 548: [10/09 05:11:56 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 554: [10/09 05:11:59 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Hoar-mantle Calf.
        Line 560: [10/09 05:12:05 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Placid Hoar-mantle.
        Line 567: [10/09 05:12:08 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Young Hoar-mantle.
        Line 575: [10/09 05:12:11 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Placid Hoar-mantle.
        Line 582: [10/09 05:12:13 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Placid Hoar-mantle.
        Line 588: [10/09 05:12:16 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Young Hoar-mantle.
        Line 594: [10/09 05:12:19 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Young Hoar-mantle.
        Line 599: [10/09 05:12:21 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Placid Hoar-mantle.
        Line 605: [10/09 05:12:23 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Placid Hoar-mantle.
        Line 612: [10/09 05:12:25 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Menacing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 620: [10/09 05:12:30 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Placid Hoar-mantle.
        Line 628: [10/09 05:12:43 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 638: [10/09 05:12:47 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 646: [10/09 05:13:02 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Threatening Hoar-mantle.
        Line 652: [10/09 05:13:05 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 659: [10/09 05:13:08 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Hoar-mantle Calf.
        Line 669: [10/09 05:13:10 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 678: [10/09 05:13:12 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 686: [10/09 05:13:16 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 693: [10/09 05:13:19 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Hoar-mantle Calf.
        Line 699: [10/09 05:13:22 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 704: [10/09 05:13:25 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 708: [10/09 05:13:32 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 715: [10/09 05:13:41 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 723: [10/09 05:13:46 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Hoar-mantle Calf.
        Line 730: [10/09 05:13:53 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 738: [10/09 05:13:55 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Hoar-mantle Calf.
        Line 742: [10/09 05:14:14 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 750: [10/09 05:14:25 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 758: [10/09 05:14:33 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Grazing Hoar-mantle.
        Line 764: [10/09 05:14:46 PM] Your mighty blow defeated the Hoar-mantle Calf.
    Last kill- 05:14
    Sturdy Hides acquired- 206
    Time- 11 minutes

    I try to be as accurate as I can be when I don't have soild data. My times may have been a little off, but they were in the general area. I spent around 20-30 minutes farming hides that night and got six bags off of 100-200 Hoar Mantles.
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    Funny, thought I said 100 in 5 minutes.
    hmmmmm
    Yup, that is what I said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manstan View Post
    Funny, thought I said 100 in 5 minutes.
    hmmmmm
    Yup, that is what I said.
    Well, I never said I killed 100 in five minutes. I'm not sure where you got that number.

    Edit: Don't think I'll be farming Sarnur tonight. Every time I've gone in there today, there have been one to five people all over the place fighting for kills.
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    Checked this with the character I had in the area; hobbit guardian 36th level. Running around the entire hill outside of estilden; with the ruins at the top, there 17 Hoar Mantles total. Running circles around the hill I still had to wait for them to respawn, my best was 87 in an hour. Even by your posted logs, 109 is going to be about Max. By my math they will only respawn at APX 110 an hour. So where are you coming up with 200?
    None the less, still only got 2 bags for 15 tokens total, not worth the effort

    Although I did get a 70 token bag from the queen spider Second one so far lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by manstan View Post
    Checked this with the character I had in the area; hobbit guardian 36th level. Running around the entire hill outside of estilden; with the ruins at the top, there 17 Hoar Mantles total. Running circles around the hill I still had to wait for them to respawn, my best was 87 in an hour. Even by your posted logs, 109 is going to be about Max. By my math they will only respawn at APX 110 an hour. So where are you coming up with 200?
    There are thirty to fourty-five Hoar Mantles outside of Esteldin. On the hill, on the plains between the hill and the orc camp, and even down the hill leading into the swamp area where the elves are. You're missing a large portion of them if you're just looking at the hill just outside Esteldin. Go behind the hill as well.

    http://imgur.com/a/kpUKJ#0- This album I just threw together shows 35 different hoar mantles, but it's not all of them. There are a few stragglers roaming around I didn't take pictures of.

    I'm not entirely positive why you're debating this particular thing, as it has little bearing on the topic at hand, unless you're trying to discredit me in some way for some reason.


    Edit: Grats on the +70, btw
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    Just pointing out you are claiming to have gotten them at a faster rate then they respawn. If you had said 80-120 I would have found that plausible and never thought anything of it

    None the less, the bag drop count doesn't change for me whether I am killing 10 or 100 enemies in an hour. The enemies being gray or red seems to make little difference in the count ether, but elites do. Found that out doing a gray fellowship quest when I had to fight a bunch of blue level elites to get to a bridge, 3 bags in 15 minutes, best I've done so far.

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    Been a few days since I've farmed, but here is a drop rate report for Gladden for October 11.


    Farming Area- Sarnur Great Hall
    Start Time- 10/11 05:31 PM
    End Time- 10/11 06:29 PM
    Total Time- 58 Minutes
    Kills- 860
    Kills per Minute- 14.82 (860÷58)
    Bags Acquired- 21
    Code:
    Line 50: [10/11 05:31:43 PM] You have acquired [Bag of Bounder's Tokens].
        Line 318: [10/11 05:35:14 PM] You have acquired [Bag of Bounder's Tokens].
        Line 346: [10/11 05:35:37 PM] You have acquired [Bag of Bounder's Tokens].
        Line 549: [10/11 05:38:02 PM] You have acquired [Bag of Bounder's Tokens].
        Line 631: [10/11 05:39:12 PM] You have acquired [Bag of Bounder's Tokens].
        Line 838: [10/11 05:42:03 PM] You have acquired [Bag of Bounder's Tokens].
        Line 854: [10/11 05:42:25 PM] You have acquired [Bag of Bounder's Tokens].
        Line 988: [10/11 05:44:03 PM] You have acquired [Bag of Bounder's Tokens].
        Line 1145: [10/11 05:45:57 PM] You have acquired [Bag of Bounder's Tokens].
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        Line 1576: [10/11 05:51:45 PM] You have acquired [Bag of Bounder's Tokens].
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        Line 1900: [10/11 05:56:01 PM] You have acquired [Bag of Bounder's Tokens].
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        Line 2421: [10/11 06:03:16 PM] You have acquired [Bag of Bounder's Tokens].
        Line 2481: [10/11 06:03:57 PM] You have acquired [Bag of Bounder's Tokens].
        Line 2769: [10/11 06:08:00 PM] You have acquired [Bag of Bounder's Tokens].
        Line 2798: [10/11 06:08:46 PM] You have acquired [Bag of Bounder's Tokens].
        Line 3244: [10/11 06:16:01 PM] You have acquired [Bag of Bounder's Tokens] (pending).
        Line 3264: [10/11 06:16:18 PM] You have acquired [Bag of Bounder's Tokens] (pending).
        Line 3698: [10/11 06:22:05 PM] You have acquired [Bag of Bounder's Tokens] (pending).
    Kills per Bag- 40.95 (860÷21)
    Total Tokens Acquired- 245
    Tokens per Bag- 11.66

    The last fifteen or twenty minutes really cut my kill speed. I was getting really bad lag and Reduced Awareness alerts which caused skills to not fire off.
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    And those oranges have to do with the apple count, how?

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    I have noticed a direct correlation between the # of people in a fellowship and how many bags drop overall. If I am soloing, I get 1-2 bags an hour. If I'm in a group with 5-6 people, we get *more* than 1-2 bags (average/character) total; from 3 runs this week it has been more than twice as many bags overall; but the bags aren't evenly dispersed - the rng is active in who gets them as well as how many drop. So this is totally unhelpful with trying to get tokens on a specific account; but if you don't care about that for some reason you can get *more* for everyone by grouping.

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    Did a modest bit of token farming on goblins in the greenfields yesterday evening. The droprate still looks like it's about a 25% to 50% of the 'golden age of token farming'. Unchanged since Bilbo's Birthday, if you ask me.

    On a sidenote, does anyone else get the giggles from 'Hoar Mantles'? Or is that just my own little mind in that gutter yonder?

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    I've given up!

    The drop rate is not sufficient (I get 5-15 tokens every day or two) for me to try and save them to trade for anything. I've barely made it to tier 2 and still need over a 1000+ for tier 3. I'm just hoping to complete the deed before the tokens disappear on Nov. 18th.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caelth View Post
    The drop rate is not sufficient (I get 5-15 tokens every day or two) for me to try and save them to trade for anything. I've barely made it to tier 2 and still need over a 1000+ for tier 3. I'm just hoping to complete the deed before the tokens disappear on Nov. 18th.
    The key to getting tokens by dropping bags is to have as many kills as possible. It doesn't matter what level those kills are, but if they're monsters that drop loot they all have the same chance to drop a bag of tokens.

    So pick an area with a high monster density, quick respawn and fast kills (underlevelled). Fellowship if you can, remember more kills/hour = more bags.

    Burn through as many enemies as you can in as little time as you can consistently and you will find several bags per hours.

    If that's not your thing, hope for the Harvestmath festival. Events/festivals have offered plenty alternate ways to get tokens. I hope Harvestmath will deliver too! For me Bilbo's birthday was excellent in regards to token acquisition, as I took my alts through it as well and it was timed in a weekend where I actually had good time to play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainothon View Post
    The key to getting tokens by dropping bags is to have as many kills as possible. It doesn't matter what level those kills are, but if they're monsters that drop loot they all have the same chance to drop a bag of tokens.

    So pick an area with a high monster density, quick respawn and fast kills (underlevelled). Fellowship if you can, remember more kills/hour = more bags.

    Burn through as many enemies as you can in as little time as you can consistently and you will find several bags per hours.

    If that's not your thing, hope for the Harvestmath festival. Events/festivals have offered plenty alternate ways to get tokens. I hope Harvestmath will deliver too! For me Bilbo's birthday was excellent in regards to token acquisition, as I took my alts through it as well and it was timed in a weekend where I actually had good time to play.
    My game says other wise. As I said I get apx 1 an hour whether I kill 10 or 100 mobs, regardless of level. None the less, other then the apx 1 an hour I can't find any consistency to where or what level mob I am fighting. I had thought that elites payed out more often, but after 6 hours doing fellowship quests in agamoar; which meant fighting a lot of elites, I got 2 bags. Were as running through the north downs from estilden to agmar and only killing what attacked me on the run, I got 2 in half an hour. So there seems no rhyme nor reason to the randomness of the bag drops. That may have changed with today's update, but I am not at all optimistic about it.

    What this boils down to is a very few people are having extraordinary luck, while the rest of us have none. Why? Your guess is as good as mine.

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    Here is something interesting... I have taken 2 characters not in the same day through the barrow downs & each time have managed to get 7 bags. I have tried & tried to get more & just cannot seem to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manstan View Post
    My game says other wise. As I said I get apx 1 an hour whether I kill 10 or 100 mobs, regardless of level. None the less, other then the apx 1 an hour I can't find any consistency to where or what level mob I am fighting. I had thought that elites payed out more often, but after 6 hours doing fellowship quests in agamoar; which meant fighting a lot of elites, I got 2 bags. Were as running through the north downs from estilden to agmar and only killing what attacked me on the run, I got 2 in half an hour. So there seems no rhyme nor reason to the randomness of the bag drops. That may have changed with today's update, but I am not at all optimistic about it.

    What this boils down to is a very few people are having extraordinary luck, while the rest of us have none. Why? Your guess is as good as mine.


    You'd be wrong then. It's not based on time.

    It's based on kills, and while you're not guaranteed one bag ever x number of kills, over a period of time, it averages out to about every 50-75 kills. In my previous posts where I post the times a bag drops, you'll notice that sometimes I'll get two or three bags in a row followed by ten to twenty minutes of nothing. Bag drops have a set percentage to drop on every mob kill. Think of it in the crafting sense.

    Crafters have an inherent 5% chance to crit with basic tools. Sometimes, you may get two or three crits in a row at that 5% chance, then get nothing else for the remaining one hundred items you do craft. On the opposite end of the spectrum, once can get a 27% crit chance (I think) using the best tools and no crit items. There are times I've tried crit crafting a set of armor, only to craft each component upwards of six to ten times before it crits.

    In the end, that percentage isn't a guarantee. It is merely a chance for each "roll" to succeed. The same goes for bounders bags. I Believe bag drop rates are in the 1-3% range. So the only way to increase your odds is by sheer number of kills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manstan View Post
    My game says other wise. As I said I get apx 1 an hour whether I kill 10 or 100 mobs, regardless of level. None the less, other then the apx 1 an hour I can't find any consistency to where or what level mob I am fighting. I had thought that elites payed out more often, but after 6 hours doing fellowship quests in agamoar; which meant fighting a lot of elites, I got 2 bags. Were as running through the north downs from estilden to agmar and only killing what attacked me on the run, I got 2 in half an hour. So there seems no rhyme nor reason to the randomness of the bag drops. That may have changed with today's update, but I am not at all optimistic about it.

    What this boils down to is a very few people are having extraordinary luck, while the rest of us have none. Why? Your guess is as good as mine.
    That's RNG to you, from point to point observation it's wildly varying but in the long run it should be about 2% for all mobs.
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    What part of I get apx 1 an hour whether I kill 10 or 100 don't you get?

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    Quote Originally Posted by manstan View Post
    What part of I get apx 1 an hour whether I kill 10 or 100 don't you get?
    What part of my entire explanation of how percentages and chances work didn't you get?
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    Gawd.. 3 bags an hour?... if you want to get lots of small bags 5 - 20 tokens each, 1 or 2 bags every 5 mins, take your high lvl to a place where a famous hobbit invented golf with goblin heads I did the last 1300 - 1500 there to get the nice horsie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LethalLethality View Post
    What part of my entire explanation of how percentages and chances work didn't you get?
    You mean besides you being in a very elite group; of possibly 1, that actually sees that sort of drop rate, none. Read back through this thread, how many people are even getting close to the drop rate you see? Anyone? It seems most peoples drop rates are between slim and none. I'm not sure why you seem to be disregarding that while flaunting your extraordinary drop rate in everyone's faces. All you are proving is YOU are getting an extraordinary drop rate, not that people are some how "doing it wrong".

    If we put your experience at one end and no drops at the other end we would probably see that most people would fall in to the bottom 1/8th not in the top 1/8th where you seem to reside.

    My experience shows me the kill rate has little to do with it. If you only get a 1% chance per kill, yet 100% of the time seem to be in the 99% no drop, the number of kills you get means nothing.
    If it was based on a % chance per kill they could have easily set it up so there was a higher chance at drops from on level, or elite mobs. By my experience mob level or class has no bearing on it.
    Over the coarse of an hour is seems I only get 3-4 chances at a bag, and 3 of them are no bag. Whether I kill 10 or 500 I am still only going to get apx 1 bag an hour.

 

 
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