It's not Teal... it's [SIZE=3][COLOR=#00ffff][B]CYAN[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE]!
Where did anyone rub anyone's face in it? Besides, it's a nice reminder to everyone else.You want to kick someone from the beta for violating the ridiculous NDA... fine, that's your perogative. But don't go all public with it and rub their faces in the mud here on the forum. Have more grace and tact than that. You know all those new forum guidlines where violations to the terms of service for doing XYZ to PDQ? I'm thinking you folks shouldn't be immune to the rules here either. Practice what ye preach.
Yeah, it's a real drag when someone takes keeping your word seriously....darnit.I'm thinking ye folks at Turbine take some things way too seriously, and things that ye should take seriously, nowhere near serious enough.
You are of course, welcome to your opinion. "Extremely" welcome to it.Honestly, I think that kind of public response lacked tact, and was extremly out of line. Since it was a public smacking, it deserves a public apology. Yes, this means YOU, Sapience.
Yes, that poor customer who is being offered an opportunity free of charge TO THE CUSTOMER with the only requirement that they keep all communication about it to the BETA forums and blue name PMs. Where on earth do you get the idea that this isn't costing Turbine anything? The cost is enormous to host and moderate events like these. You make it sound like the players are being FORCED to participate. When one of your friends offers you a ride to the store I'm sure you get pissed off that he asks you to open your own door to get in?After 15 hours of effort on the part of the customer (yes, CUSTOMER), to test YOUR software for you free of charge, he is then very publicly informed that he won't have to worry about it anymore due to the NDA violation for talking about Fight Clu... err... Beta..
Mirror, mirror on the wall...You either recognize where you were in the wrong, or you don't. And if you don't, then that's a large part of the problem.
Honestly, eh? As honestly as a person who agrees to an NDA and then violates it? Because that's SUPER honestHonestly, if you worked for my company, (or any I've every worked for) you'd have a 'talking to' at minimum for treating customers like that. These people pay your salary. Never, ever, forget that.
Well, I think you've found a wonderful way to fix your problem with what happened. If it really bothers you that much, you don't have to participate, which oddly enough is the exact same option everyone else has. They can choose NOT to agree to the NDA and NOT to participate in the FREELY OFFERED testing server. Unfortunately I don't ever remember in my RoR Beta email a paragraph that said, "By downloading the Bullroarer client you are agreeing to a Nondisclosure Agreement, unless of course you decide you want to chat about it in the public forums because that's like totally OK man! Don't worry! If you get kicked from BETA for going back on your word, Kaynith will have your back, dude!" It's normal, is reasonable, and it's perfectly acceptable to receive very clearly stated consequences to poorly made decisions.I've participated in many, many, betas in my time. Including the one for Riders of Rohan. Never again.
I don't know why people line up to be hamsters and act like it's a gift from the gods to go out of their way to test some company's shoddy, buggy pre-release software. :P
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