Consider this: they're already confirmed couch potatoes, sitting around video gaming in a virtual world. But even then, it's what, too hard to compete with other players for the ranks, whether it takes hours, days, weeks, months, or years? They find ways to work around the system, doing what it was obviously not meant for, and in some cases performing activities that violate service agreements, codes of conduct, and other guidelines. Why? They want to be at the top of the heap for bragging rights, with as little effort as possible.
The ranks are there to identify you as a top pvp'er in the community, not as someone that found a way to climb the ladder faster.
"I'm rank 15!!!"
"How many opponents did you have to beat to get there?"
"One. Lots of times."
actually it's more like people on freep side are feeding their ranks then taking 6 man groups and zerging anyone they can spy on with multiboxing to locate your toon... some even spy on raids to try and cheat them, same drama and not enough security to prevent it from happening
That happens on both sides, not just freepside, depending on the server.
I could not disagree more about one thing, that ranks are there to identify the top pvpers, you realize you didn't even have to be within 500m to get credit for kills, nor does it require any skill to stand there and tag every creep so that when they die you get credit....
Lotro pvp is zerg v zerg and ver often requires no more skill than tabbing. That isn't to say that I haven't seen some really great players, but lets not go crazy about skill in lotro pvp.... too often its just numbers and the only thing rank is a sign of is amount of time put in.
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"abuse" scaling is barely possible. the alternative is to leave them unscaled and have costs of making new content (which is one of the hardest things mmo's do). was RoI having just dracoch + foundry + 3-3mans + ToO better? I think anyone who sufferd the long drawn out process of SoM before OD knows how painful those grinds were.
you also forget that we did also get a new cluster too... maybe not the best but it was still a cluster.
it's not the content is the issue, it's the balancing/difficulty and reward system. scaling instances is a great long term investment and many other mmo's are doing it now, like SWTOR.
hasn't SWTOR only just had an expansion? 3 years after it's release?
sure, if you love the PvE experiance SWTOR gives, good for you, stay there and have a nice day. but comparing games is like comparing fruit, there differant, no one is better than the other. there really arn't that many stupidly bad mmo flops out there because it costs so much to make them. well, other than matrix online and maybe family guy mmo... those make me suicidal
Does this mean there is a discussion to reset all ranking from the date of the rule as well? This will prevent any previous farmers from continuing to compete at their high rank and continuing to discourage the average player from pursuing ranks.
Pinch me...ouch - ok ok this is a real thread...pleasantly surprised!
Thanks for two things River - paying attention to PvP feedback and communicating with us.
ps - now about those auto flips.............
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I think when the farmers are on a more level field, the quality will begin to show better, again.
Rank is nice. Expert playing is better.
On a good day, I'll go toe-to-toe Freep against any equivalent level Creep out there and stand a good chance of winning, whatever their rank. I have a few higher-ranks under my belt. But...
There are a few very good players who could, in that situation, spank me every time.
It does make a difference, when you earn your stripes, rather than get them spoon-fed. And the entire game goes up in quality.
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"x" is not working as intended, however policing and penalties for "x" are not enforceable at the moment
but of course we are not mind readers; we do not know the devs' intent unless they state it, nor do we know if they even agree on all issues...let alone be able to act on them.
So I would say that rank farming was not working as intended, and has been addressed.
Of course we cannot even enforce pre-existing laws in RL...politically it is very embarrassing to admit. And the Supreme Court is always talking about "the intent of the law".
Great move, Devs! Our kin, Shadow and Flame, is in the process of making rules for our kin that participate in this stuff.
I read another post about earning your stripes versus getting it spoon fed to you. Touche! Getting rank and knowing how to play are two completely different things! EARN your rank!!
been playing for almost 4years now, and have been waiting for this ty ^.^
guys you want a better quality of PvP?
just remove ranking
then remove PvE quests from the moors
what you have now?
a handfull of people that actually want to PvP and only PvP
that means you are loosing clients ooopssss thats lame???
what you have to do?
you do nothing n i really dont believe that you gonna stop the rank farming coz this will make you loose money
kisses to all
Multi-boxing for the express purpose of advancing one character by exploiting the inaction of the other is recognized as an exploit by the Gaming Community at large. This is not a new trick that someone came up with last week, so to say that you can't act retroact on a rule that you just made is irrelevant.
Anyway, can't wait to start banning craids and fraids of people alike when they are out rank farming me while I'm solo.
You have a glorious definition of rank farming Turbine.
I'd be really REALLY keen to know how you actually go about investigating people who are reported for rank farming. Can't just be daily gains, and it can't just be combat event logs either.
I made over 8k from killing a group of greenies (not ones I controlled) at old lugz rez in one sitting last year. Would I have gotten banned for that?
Not to mention, it's going to be hilarious when GM's start banning people at 1v1 circles.
This simply seems like a typical crowd pleaser, I was honestly expecting something more sincere and worthwhile in terms of the actual policy, not something which seems so innately subjective.
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If PvP gear and barter weapons would have a "only usable in ettenmoors" tag then this rank farming would be a side issue ...
So according to this definition, if I multiboxed accounts against myself, and it just so happens that one of my characters is more powerful than all the others combined that he wins everytime, I cannot be banned. As because they are actively attacking each other, it is not farming because I have not 'surrendered' any of my characters.
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