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  1. #1
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    We want the Lorebook back, and API access or other means to see char info out of game

    This is intended as a complaint because in my opinion, some very important features got removed from the game and I would like to have them back.
    If you like to support this request, please reply below.

    Every civilized complaint should be constructive, so no flaming or foul language please.

    Also I would like to point out, that the new web page looks really well and is clearly an improvement in terms of looks, no more mis-formated text in navigation links, no more half working features.

    To business: What happened?

    It seems that with the last update (August 1st 2013) and introduction of the new web page and forums
    • The lore book got removed with no replacement
    • Links to display character information out of game do not work anymore.
    • No API or other way to keep up with game items and their properties seems available to players



    I would like to make a strong case to give us these things back because we really need them! If Turbine wants to redo them in a better way (API: look at Eve online for example) then I will be patiently waiting, but I definitely want to feed back that things were removed that we absolutely will miss and want back!

    I don' want to take screen shots of my equipment all the time, nor do I like to constantly load and unload my characters, and taking notes of stats, just so my crafting char can manufacture the right kind of equipment. This is definitely not effective and kills the fun in crafting. We need a way to display char info in a web browser, or we need the ability to log on more than one char from the same account.

    Also for all our guild web pages, we would love to have a consistent way to link to ingame items, with correct graphics, tool tips, and all.

    I hope I find a lot of support here,
    Cheers,
    Singbard

  2. #2
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    Thumbs up

    I, too, would like the Lorebook back.

    /signed
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  3. #3

    Agree

    Agree.
    These features are important.

  4. #4
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    While I, too, would like these back, I sincerely doubt they'll ever return simply due to the resources it took to run them.

    If this cutback on the website means that they're putting more resources into the game itself, then it would be hard to argue for the website. It's also possible that they just had to cut back on one resource, period, and they decided that it would be the website community, making it just a forum (and the well liked lottery) instead.

    And, in all honesty, if they get the ability to put more resources into something in the future, but it's choosing between something ingame and something online, I'd vote for ingame improvements (and actual improvements that are generally well received :P )

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    While it would be nice, we've had alternatives for quite a while (Lotro-Wiki) and for quite a while those had already been better maintained than the official features. Character updating was buggy, no item since U9 had been added to the database (that was over 6 months ago!), character signatures weren't updating correctly, etc.

    I would like to see something added that allows other sites to maybe pick up some of that functionality on their own, but with how many problems those things gave to the LotRO site, I don't think I'd want to see them back here.
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  6. #6
    Yes, I too would like a slow, buggy unreliable forum again. /sarcasm #missed the point entirely

  7. #7
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    funny how many people only show up after the change... obviously many never read the forums, it has been told for 4 months now, if you want something similar i would check out lotro wiki as a substitution
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  8. #8
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    Quote Originally Posted by TinDragon View Post
    (...) we've had alternatives for quite a while (Lotro-Wiki) and for quite a while those had already been better maintained than the official features.
    (...) I would like to see something added that allows other sites to maybe pick up some of that functionality on their own
    I agree that the community's willingness to spend time developing wiki pages, websites, and other resources is impressive and exactly for that reason, I am asking for some kind of export/API access. Without it, we can not even display what our characters are wearing right now from outside the game.

    @Orc Bane: indeed missed the point, forum speed will not be affected in any way.

  9. #9
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    I wouldn't mind having the character information back. It was nice to see what my toons had, but I won't hold my breath for them.

    If it means the site will run smoother without that and the other missing features, then I rather take a smoother working site. (But I haven't played around much with the new site yet, so I don't know what it does or does not do quite yet.)
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  10. #10
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    1. It wont be back, they've already stated that.

    2. Everyone has known for months that they would be taking this stuff away.

    3. Threads like this are now against the community guidelines:

    11. Polls and Petitions.
    While we consider this spam, we felt we should explain why. First, several pages of /signed and /unsigned doesn’t really offer us much in the way of actionable feedback. Second, they usually turn into something unpleasant. Instead we recommend a well-considered suggestion posted in the appropriate area that would allow for meaningful contributions and opinions to be shared by all members of the community.

  11. #11
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    I personally read it as a suggestion/want, not a petition or poll-- wanting support for a suggestion is not a poll IMO.

    In the end of course, it's up to moderators to decide what is a petition/poll, and what is a suggestion, thread by thread.

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  12. #12
    Sorry to say that, but I don't want the Lorebook back. The few times I loaded it (because a Google link pointed at an entry) I had it more often than not happen that I would see nothing but an error message, because the structure of the Lorebook wasn't fit for the German version of the Lotro Community pages. Also, the information given was in many cases not as detailed as I would have liked it to be. The Lotro-Wiki pages OTOH are a fairly well kept source of a lot of information, and I visit them quite often. So, sorry but I can't join the petiton.


    Greetings, Josiha

  13. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by Polymachos View Post
    Sorry to say that, but I don't want the Lorebook back. The few times I loaded it (because a Google link pointed at an entry) I had it more often than not happen that I would see nothing but an error message, because the structure of the Lorebook wasn't fit for the German version of the Lotro Community pages. Also, the information given was in many cases not as detailed as I would have liked it to be. The Lotro-Wiki pages OTOH are a fairly well kept source of a lot of information, and I visit them quite often. So, sorry but I can't join the petiton.


    Greetings, Josiha
    I have to agree. The lorebook was not all that useful. I love LOTRO Wiki & use it all the time I need some info.
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  14. #14
    The Lorebook was a nice idea that I'm sure Turbine had every intention of maintaining at the start, back when everyone had high hopes of a robust and profitable community that was into the lore. But that didn't happen, and the Lorebook was never really developed well or maintained. I found it to be useless and I'm just as glad to see it go. Independent online maps and lotro-wiki do just fine. And if more people start using these forums, that could be a good source of information.

    I do miss the character information pages, but that's a minor thing with me.

    Overall, this is more professional-looking and clean. I can actually find lottery info and update information now...the old site was a mess. The forum loads and remembers me (so far). I'm actually encouraged that Turbine bothered to keep a community site at all. I expected them to farm it out 100% to Facebook (which I hate) and Twitter and save them the cost altogether.

    [Edit]: I DO have a question: Where can I now find the old account information page - - one that shows my subscriptions with their expiration dates, the expansions that have been purchased for each, the payment method, etc. The new one has no details at all. The "manage subscriptions" link just give me an option to change "nicknames", whatever that means.

    [Edit 2 hours later]: Well, I take back how the forums remember me. Turbine's web site folks apparently still haven't heard of cookies. Had to log back on both on IE and Chrome. Still a decent website.



    Thanks!
    Last edited by Occum; Aug 02 2013 at 11:18 PM.

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    Don't you think that most of those problems would be solved if we had a simple way to export our characters, all their gear and trait setup in an easy to use text file?

  16. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occum View Post
    [Edit]: I DO have a question: Where can I now find the old account information page - - one that shows my subscriptions with their expiration dates, the expansions that have been purchased for each, the payment method, etc. The new one has no details at all. The "manage subscriptions" link just give me an option to change "nicknames", whatever that means.

    Thanks!
    https://myaccount.turbine.com/index.php Is this what you were looking for?
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  17. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by Lythia View Post
    https://myaccount.turbine.com/index.php Is this what you were looking for?
    Yes! DOH! I assumed that had changed as well. When you click "my account" from the new page it doesn't take you there.

    Thank you

  18. #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singbard View Post
    To business: What happened?
    These features have loaded their character databases to the point where they've turned off updates for weeks at a time before. Mostly, these features have generated complaints in the past few years... why are my sigs and character sheets so badly out of date? Why are the forums so slow? Etc. When they decided to update the forums, it was their opportunity to leave behind some of the problem children (from their point of view).

    It seems that with the last update (August 1st 2013) and introduction of the new web page and forums
    • The lore book got removed with no replacement
    • Links to display character information out of game do not work anymore.
    • No API or other way to keep up with game items and their properties seems available to players
    Actually, the API is still available on an "as is" basis, for now... it's just badly out of date, and likely to stay that way. The rest of it was announced back in April, and put into a Stickied thread.

    I understand some people like them, but I'll take fast forums every day of the week and twice on Sunday over any of that stuff. Lorebook was often out of date and/or incomplete, I don't care a fig about leader boards, and I've had character sigs turned off since about a week after they first arrived.

    Khafar
    Last edited by Khafar; Aug 02 2013 at 10:45 PM.

  19. #19
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    First...all of the requested features are "want" not "need".

    Alt-tab is your friend. Open a browser and point i to the LotRO Wiki and you will have a good substitute for the Lorebook.

    If out-of-game access to character data were restored by some means or other, then either it should only be possible to view your own characters, or their should be an easily accessible means to turn off access by others.

  20. #20
    TBH I've found the LOTRO wiki more helpful than the lore book. Character info on kin websites was a nice feature tho.

  21. #21
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    The one thing I miss is Lorebook, and the quest list I could easily copy-paste to Excel and create my own "to-do" -lists for my characters (I am a quest-o-holic!). While Lotro-Wiki is definitely good and useful, it has never been as perfect as Lorebook what comes to quests (I didn't say Lorebook was perfect either but closer!) and the formatting is not as "Excel-friendly".

    What I would love (and I have mentioned this since... Lorebook was first introduced actually) is that there was some kind of in-game export that Turbine would do every time there is an update to the game so we would get an up-to-date quest list etc... I know that will probably never happen but one can always wish.

  22. #22
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    Who cares about the lorebook? It was poorly made to begin with and hardly ever updated.

    There are third-party resources available that are just as good, if not better than what was available. IE, LOTRO-Wiki and Allakhazam

    This also allows Turbine to focus on better things, like, Oh, I dunno. Fixing bugs? Improving Gameplay? Adding new features?

    Compared to everything else, the lorebook was and is clearly isn't a major priority for the moment. Things like Helms Deep are.

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    Lorebook was horribly outdated, 100% not reliable and I'm glad it's gone for good.

    Lotro Wiki has basically all the things you need to know.

  24. #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by whheydt View Post
    First...all of the requested features are "want" not "need".
    This entire game is "want" not "need." Though some people seem to think their "wants" are more valid.
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  25. #25
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    I don't think I will be missing the lorebook, it was always out of date and rarely worked very well. As for API access, I agree it would be nice to have but if it's something that had to be sacrficed for functional forums then I think I can live with that.
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