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  1. #1
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    Burglar motivation

    Hey there. I was wanting to make burglar but everyone anything ever says about Burglar is negative. I was wondering if any of those die-hard burglar fans or super skilled burglars could post a video of some neat quiet knife and gambler achievements or bursts of damage or just things that make burglar seem awesome? I'd be greatly appreciative!

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    Don't listen to any of that negativity, Burglars are in a surprisingly decent place right now.

    You can check YouTube for some Burglar action, but the majority of it will be PvMP action as it's not really interesting watching a burg one-shot landscape mobs.
    Eniigmatik | Exploit

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    Burglars are incredibly fun to play PvE (I don't know anything about PvMP). However, they don't really bring too much to a group that others can't do better:
    • Melee DPS - Champion is better and doesn't get one-shotted when a mob does a 360 AOE.
    • Debuffs - Lore-master is better (AOE debuffs vs single target)
    • Crowd Control - Lore-master is better
    • Fellowship Maneuvers - This is where the Burglar class shines, but since FMs have not scaled past level 50, no one cares about doing them in group content anymore unless it's required, like in Draigoch.
    Now don't go thinking I'm a Burglar hater, because I'm not. I've got a 79 Burglar, and it's really fun playing her while questing. I do also enjoy grouping with her very much. The problem is that groups generally prefer to bring ANY other class besides a Burglar if they can. The ONLY content I never had a problem finding a group for was Draigoch. Everything else it was like pulling teeth trying to find a group who wanted a Burg
    MINSTREL and member of the vocal minority

  4. #4
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    Psh take your negativity out of here. I'm looking for positive motivating burglar videos!

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    GUYS!!! Seriously!!
    The burg is the best class because they are the combination of DPS and CC and FM's.
    No other class has as many escape routes and different ways to attack as a Burg.
    However, they are very slow in leveling till level 30ish...
    But I dont think that should stop you from playing the best class to endgame...
    As for videos I do not know any because I dont go on youtube that much:P
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  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Frieja View Post
    Burglars are incredibly fun to play PvE (I don't know anything about PvMP). However, they don't really bring too much to a group that others can't do better:
    • Melee DPS - Champion is better and doesn't get one-shotted when a mob does a 360 AOE.
    • Debuffs - Lore-master is better (AOE debuffs vs single target)
    • Crowd Control - Lore-master is better
    • Fellowship Maneuvers - This is where the Burglar class shines, but since FMs have not scaled past level 50, no one cares about doing them in group content anymore unless it's required, like in Draigoch.
    Now don't go thinking I'm a Burglar hater, because I'm not. I've got a 79 Burglar, and it's really fun playing her while questing. I do also enjoy grouping with her very much. The problem is that groups generally prefer to bring ANY other class besides a Burglar if they can. The ONLY content I never had a problem finding a group for was Draigoch. Everything else it was like pulling teeth trying to find a group who wanted a Burg
    DPS - burg is 3rd in single target dps after Champion and Hunter, but to level that loss he increases dps of others and burg has the most effective dump of aggro, which allows him to go full dps while champ and hunter often cant. I did some crazy BfE runs with 4 burgs. Champ could not go over 3,3K dps or they got aggro, I had 4K dps on first boss with no problem.
    I also did instances like Flight T2 or Smaug T2C and died only if it was a group wipe. In Smaug T2C I swtich necklace and cloak for extra vitality and I always have some CDs ready when I need - knives out, touch and go. I also try to do maneuvers to use escape clause and reset cd on touch and go.

    Debuffs - LM has of course greatest debuffs, but even debuff of LM has downside. His debuffs have long CDs, long duration, while burg has his debuffs nearly always ready. Burg can keep disable on both trolls in BfE, LM cant keep fire-lore on both.

    Crowd Control - Burglar (Gambler) is much better CCer if you need dazes. If you have mob with adaptation, the 1-min daze of a Gambler cant be matched. In some crazy situations, burg can daze much more targets, or renew daze on mob which got breaked out of it accidently, while LM cant. LM can do really nice roots, but roots are the least useful CC. Burg also has the longest stun and can prolong it with CJ stun, which is another advantage when CCing mobs with adaptation.

    FMs - doing CJ for power is still very useful in some group setups and even heals from FMs arent bad. Last time I did NCF T2C without a healer (Guard, Hunter, Burg) we managed to do it with only FMs for heals.

    I see why groups may not want to take a burg, becuase imo burg is the most advanced class and you need to know a lot about it to take use of all the potential and theres a lot of burgs around with bad LIs and innapropriate traits. But there is no reason to invite a good experienced burg into a group.
    Naius - Burglar of Withywindle
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  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by GrinsgarCZ View Post
    DPS - burg is 3rd in single target dps after Champion and Hunter
    Wrong

    Burglar is the highest single Target DPS. if you disagree then your rotation is poor or you have never played with experienced Burglars.

    @ OP Burglar is the highest single target DPS in the game. Fire RK is a very close second (providing they have the correct gear)
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  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by Lao10 View Post
    Wrong

    Burglar is the highest single Target DPS. if you disagree then your rotation is poor or you have never played with experienced Burglars.

    @ OP Burglar is the highest single target DPS in the game. Fire RK is a very close second (providing they have the correct gear)
    Well, i dont want to start an argument, but isnt it just as well possible you didnt meet good hunter or champ? I think I dont have a bad rotation and I indeed over-dps many many champs and hunters. But I know a hunter who has crazy dps - i do 3,3-3,7K parses on a lvl 75 dummy, he does 3,7-4,3K, good champs do over 4K too as ive heard. There are 4K parses from burgs but all these are highly suspicuous to me and burgs couldve stacked some buffs before start. Ive also seen a parse of over 5K dps on a BfE troll (by champ), my best result was 4K DPS.
    Again, im not saying that burg has bad dps.
    Naius - Burglar of Withywindle
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  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by Frieja View Post
    ... The problem is that groups generally prefer to bring ANY other class besides a Burglar if they can. ...
    It's not true. If I log in with my Burglar (Lvl85, full equiped), I never had problems for finding a Group/raid. i also get private Masseges from People, where I don't know, if I want to come with them, because they need a Burglar for some Ini.

    I think, there are to less Burglars on my Server (Morthond [DE]).
    I never saw a Raid without a Burglar (also, when i was with a other class in this Raid).

    Please keep in mind, that playing a Burglar in high end is not easy because of the many things, you can do. You always have to know which mob makes AoE, which mob you can stun, on which mob you put on which trick, shoult you make a combo for damage or heal, ... and damage.

    You see, you can do very much and the Burglar makes realy fun.
    Last edited by Barnybarns; Jul 24 2013 at 06:00 AM.

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    Positive words are nice and all but I'd like to see some positive videos of awesomeness please!

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    Here's some motivation - Addle and Improved Addle's cooldown has been increased to 20s, up from 15s.

    Zip, zap, zip, 15, 20, 15, 20

    rework everything again -.-
    argio r11 burglar | trytofarmme r10 reaver | trytoloveme r10 spider | ikissedafreep r10 blackarrow | roargh r9 warleader | trytocatchme r9 warg |

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    Wink

    Quote Originally Posted by TheOrcsBane View Post
    Don't listen to any of that negativity, Burglars are in a surprisingly decent place right now.

    You can check YouTube for some Burglar action, but the majority of it will be PvMP action as it's not really interesting watching a burg one-shot landscape mobs.
    Where's that then noddy land ? Burgs are about as much use in a moors raid as an ashtray on a motorbike and not much better in pve

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tirn View Post
    Where's that then noddy land ? Burgs are about as much use in a moors raid as an ashtray on a motorbike and not much better in pve
    Debuffs.


    Disable on reavers. Enrage on BA's. Addle on Defilers and WL's. Dust on wargs. Any half-brained semi-competent 'Moors raid-leader will have a Burglar or two for debuffs. If you feel useless in a raid situation or you're not getting invited, then it's something to do with you, not the class.


    Although I will concede to the point that we are useless in PvE except for stuff like BFE where we Disable the trolls.


    Edit: P.S.

    I'm not sure why you'd want to join a 'Moors raid anyway. They're terribly boring to be honest, it's much more fun to solo or duo with a good friend.
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  14. #14
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    I made another video because the delving op one was really fun to make. This one is just PvP, but I think it could give a little motivation or something resembling motivation maybe.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovk-L2ZszlA
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