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    Listen Up Freeps

    Guys! Pull it together! I see so many freeps coming out into the moors every day with 3A weapons and 5 in half their virtues, and then they complain about how we are smoked by creeps every night. A huge problem now-a-days is that you guys think that getting full aud is the solution to all your problems out here, and let me tell you now it is NOT AT ALL!! It is the final piece of the puzzle, don't come right out of getting level 85 to getting aud, it is one of the last steps to being pro! You can not come into the moors 5 minutes after getting level 85 and think that you are going to kill every creep alive, you need to go get better LIs/jewelery/traits etc first.
    Another massive gaping problem with freeps right now is that when you join a raid and get into a RvR situation you don't follow the target assist! I can tell you why you do this, because you think running off and killing the random warg with 4k health to the left is more helpful than actually killing what you are supposed to. I can guarantee you that when no one goes after those tempting greenies and actually kills the main target, things will die soooo much faster.
    The last thing I'm going to point out is the basic attitude problem we are having around here lately, I am being driven insane by the basic r3 freep/creep coming out here and dying over and over and over again and then complaining to the world about how bad the pvp is. There are two things I want to say about this.
    1. IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE PVP THEN DON'T PVP.
    2. COMPLAINING DOES NOTHING BUT PUT OTHER PEOPLE IN A BAD MOOD.

    Sorry that I sound like a troll, but I'm just trying to help.
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    everything is cool in that post except one .

    You,freep,kill the warg first.. who needs that useless assist target.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bratish View Post
    everything is cool in that post except one .

    You,freep,kill the warg first.. who needs that useless assist target.
    Nononono, always harass dem two leggers first.

    Wargs are an illusion...
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    ZOMG, follow raid leader and target assist? Grind out virtue deeds so I can be leet....Silly burg, if I'm freep I'm supposed to be leet by virtue of freeping. Creeps were made to be farmed, shoot everything in sight and let Sauron sort 'em out!

    On a more serious note I can relate to your frustration Zan. I honestly cannot fathom how some of you more committed and competent freeps keep showing up to the Moors. I've tried joining some of the open freep raids, against my better judgement, and let's just say they were memorable occasions if nothing else. I can't say creepside doesn't have problems but the place Turbine has kept creepside in (on the short end of the stick for so much of their existence) certainly seems to have helped the creeps who go full-time better coalesce and cooperate. Even when Blood Hand pugs it up, which we have been making a point to do (especially if warranted), it's very seldom we have creeps running willy-nilly after the lowbie hunter and whatnot (though I must tattle on myself and admit that on my reaver I'm quite frantic and prone to somehow getting off target, as if by magic). Baglun, Voodoo and others who lead make it quite clear from the outset that we move as a group, we kill the same thing, and we coordinate what the different classes are doing - all pretty basic (we even coordinate with other raids and tribes...what a thought). Perhaps that is why creepside seems to fair so well even against ridiculous 40 man fraids - we've got the fundamentals down and we don't tolerate stupidity long. It's nice to be "nice" but when niceness becomes an enabler for "open fraid, pst" (with no req's or checking of gear/virtues) you get a whole lotta stupid.

    Not that my creeps mind stupidity, makes for lots of good points =O
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    I don't even know where to begin. I've been back for a couple weeks now and I'm absolutely blown away by the disparity in the quality of raids between creeps and freeps. I think its a rather simple explanation with a not so simple solution. It's blatantly obvious to me that the lack of a dominant pvp based kin is the main culprit. There are of course other factors, but in my opinion most of them stem from this fact. Zanwic pointed out many of the flaws some of the newer freeps have exhibited. If there were a couple PVP centric kins that perhaps some of these freeps could join then this stuff goes away.

    Creepside, on the other hand, has always had (and more importantly, does currently have) Tribes to teach the basics and mold newer creeps into skilled competent players... these Tribes also have the added benefit of having dedicated pvpers, as that's all there is to do - it is the point of their existence (while in contrast most Freeps may never even step foot into the 'moors). Also, I'd be remiss if I didn't mention the 'familiarity factor' that you garner by grouping and playing with people from a kin/tribe daily, rather than randomly pugging a pvp raid - its a HUGE advantage. This is what freepside is lacking at the moment. We've lost many, and I mean many, awesome individual pvpers from various kins over the years. However, I think the breaking up and departing of MEW has really hit this servers pvp the hardest. Before anyone gets upset, I know several kins have a decent presence in the 'moors, and some host a pvp night, and that's great. But every night was 'moors night in MEW. We brought 10-15 (some nights more) dedicated pvpers to the 'moors on a daily basis. We were a pvp kin above all else, and whether you liked us or not, its hard to imagine the raid vs. raid landscape of arkenstone not being more competitive if MEW were still here.

    So how do you fix it? Sadly, I don't think you can. Ark's a small server in a dying game. Lots of our pvpers have left for greener pastures, and the majority of the vets seem to favor creepside. A few kins have sprung up that seemed poised to take on this challenge; Ascension, Challenge Accepted, Dauntless, Shadow and Flame - but it appears they/we just don't have enough dedicated pvpers to take on the Tribes of Arkenstone. I'd like to propose one possible solution, so that more fun/points may be had by everyone, and that is to break off into smaller groups. I'm a much bigger fan of roaming and finding a fight, but I would be happy to set up some arranged small group stuff if people are interested...

    anyway, that's just my opinion, happy hunting 'stoners.
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    There is a lot of truth to what all of you have said. However I think some of you don't realize that there IS a ton of small group stuff going on throughout the day. Especially in the morning. Come prime time, yes it's mostly RvR. I can sit here and say freeps need to work together, need to play more aggressive but I'd be sounding like a broken record. I can say this however... More than a couple of times I logged freepside to try to put together a freep pug. Nobody wanted to join. They wern't even in group, they just declined wanting to group up during a time when a big creep raid was out in force. I got a few people to join who knew my freep is Loaf.. Corin, Lartessa, Casino and couple others. But it was like pulling teeth. I don't know if it's because people didn't trust me because they haven't seen me around before? But I do lead MB raids, along side Ungolliar every single time I'm out. In addition, I lead Immortal raids back in the day. So it's not as if I haven't seen my share of PvP before. Point is, I tried to help the freeps a couple times put something together and they seemed to have to much pride or distrust to join with me. I don't know.

    Creep side is definately more organized, with Vent servers for the main tribes and multiple capable raid leaders in each tribes as well. In addition to what Yummy said - we've all been playing around the same core people for years now. We really understand certain players and how they play. Makes things fun and keeps things smooth. It's not impossible for freepside to start working on this as well. You guys just need to lighten up a bit, stay aggressive and have fun. MeW used to do that in their raids. As soon as you start blaming people, yelling at people, taking things too seriously... things fall a part.

    I must argue the fact that Ark is a dying server Cull... Never would I have ever earned 17k in one night back in the good ole days of Ark PvP as I did tonight. Honestly my goal was 1k a day. It used to take ages to rank, now people that really grind can go from 0-10 in a month or 2. Don't try to say it's all quest points either... I mean points just have never been as fat as they are now days. I remember being able to get 1 infamy point in a full 24 craid under certain circumstances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vodpraetor View Post
    Also, I'd be remiss if I didn't mention the 'familiarity factor' that you garner by grouping and playing with people from a kin/tribe daily, rather than randomly pugging a pvp raid - its a HUGE advantage. This is what freepside is lacking at the moment.
    This is not the problem in the least, most of the people you see in the fraids play in these same fraids together on an almost daily basis with absolutely no improvement.
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    Just have fun. Its summer. If freep raids just run out and feed creeps who cares. I have been seeing freeps put up 10-12k renown in a day doing it. If its the challenge aspect of rvr then you are going to be disappointed. Every six months a new batch of freeps come out and this bunch don't have the gear. My advice is to go get one of those swimming noodles and hop in the pool.......

  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by BloodLoaf View Post
    I must argue the fact that Ark is a dying server Cull... Never would I have ever earned 17k in one night back in the good ole days of Ark PvP as I did tonight. Honestly my goal was 1k a day. It used to take ages to rank, now people that really grind can go from 0-10 in a month or 2. Don't try to say it's all quest points either... I mean points just have never been as fat as they are now days. I remember being able to get 1 infamy point in a full 24 craid under certain circumstances.
    With the ability to gain +200% Infamy/Renown per kill through Delving/Keep buffs its easy to see why people are ranking faster these days. To be clear, though, I said the game was dying and that ark was a small server - I still believe both of these statements to be true. Also, there's small group stuff during the day because there isn't enough on to make a raid - if there were, I have little doubt that it would be so. Primetime is when we need smaller groups, at least in my opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Daec View Post
    This is not the problem in the least, most of the people you see in the fraids play in these same fraids together on an almost daily basis with absolutely no improvement.
    You're my boy, Daec. I've enjoyed our friendship in this game for a while now. But you could not be more wrong. While I won't dispute that there are those that group up and seemingly never improve, it takes more than grouping for an hour or two a night for a couple months to develop the continuity that I'm talking about. BH and MB members have played together for years now. Some are in the same freep kins as well. You guys have dedicated vent servers, and some of you even group in freep pve land. You know one another. It is helpful, and it is an advantage.

    One more thing... I won't sit here and lecture the Freep Raid Leaders because I myself am not willing to lead, as I just don't have the patience. But I will offer this advice... Stop being so nice . Make it clear what you expect from certain classes and from the raid as a whole. Walk people through how to set up raid assist targets, as I'm convinced there are a lot that don't know how lol. Also, ask people to retrait if needed. I've seen minstrels healing with red line traits, Captains pretending their DPS makes a difference, and I've yet to see a single LM/Burg go full debuffs. A single Ancient Master LM can wreak havoc on a Craid, imagine what a couple could do. CC is the deadliest thing out there; LM's can negate 90% of it with a single button press so SI the Healers! Champs should retrait to aoe (creep healing is much stronger at single target healing than it is at group healing). People should ask themselves what they can do to make the biggest difference, then do it .

    Also, prepare for the Craid like its a pve land raid. Pop scropes, eat food, buy Destiny perks. Make sure everyone has Captain buffs and so on...
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    Guys, thanks so much for all this great advice. I have my doubts that it will help in any way, but I'd love to see some good action in the moors. Last night may be some of the worst action I've ever seen, we had 2 creep raids against one super wimpy freep raid. For the first time in a LONG time, freeps had 0 buffs. No OPs, no keeps, no delving, no relic... nothing. I'm sure there will be dispute over this statement, but I think its worth putting it out there. Creeps, sometimes you just have to see when its just over kill. I don't see anyone coming away from that experience feeling like they wanted to come back for more, or even to try to be better. I've seen freep leaders wipe a craid three or four times and then just disband because we were winning by so much. I'm not saying that some of you don't do this, I've just never seen it. I feel this is a very necessary part of being a leader; just knowing when to stop.
    Thanks again for the great advise, and just like before, all I'm trying to do is help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanwic View Post
    For the first time in a LONG time, freeps had 0 buffs. No OPs, no keeps, no delving, no relic... nothing. I'm sure there will be dispute over this statement, but I think its worth putting it out there. Creeps, sometimes you just have to see when its just over kill. I don't see anyone coming away from that experience feeling like they wanted to come back for more, or even to try to be better.
    Got news for ya, Zan, this happens both sides. It seems to be the nature of the community, when you're* winning... you want to keep winning and the last thing you really want to do is gimp yourself to change this. Obviously not everyone thinks this way, obviously it's not limited to one side or the other, but the overall community point of view on Ark comes out as the side with the advantage appearing to not want to give this advantage up nor find ways to even the odds/gimp themselves/bring a "challenge".

    One or two individuals won't change anything and the sad fact of the matter has become with Arkenstone is that you adapt and deal with it, or you simply walk away. Too many people nowadays want everything done for them, handed to them, and to reap all the rewards all while barely lifting a finger. It's the nature of the "me generation" and most specifically the general crowd that came with free to play and has been encouraged to the "ez mode" notion by Turbine itself.



    * I use the word "you" here in a very general, broad sense. More targeting the community mindset, not individuals - it all ties in together, as one or a few individuals won't change the majority outlook and/or outcome.
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    "we had 2 creep raids against one super wimpy freep raid."
    Clarify a little on that? We had over 30 freeps on track to our 15 man BH craid.

    BTW, super wimpy is an oxymoron. =O

    I had a lot more to say but feel it's pointless.

    P.S. Zan, you seem a good player, come to the darkside full-time, you won't regret it.

    P.P.S. I'll give you all the free mats you want and we'll get you all mapped out and full aud.
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    The main issue with freepside is the lack of experience amongst all of the freeps, 75% of em are incapable of playing solo and they don't have a clue in raids. And the only way to really fix that is learning to play on your own, there's nothing wrong with grouping up but at least be self sufficient.

    I think freep groups being too lax is a big issue, I dont see the point in inviting everyone when all you really need is one specific class or so.

    P.S- Yummy get lost, if freeps lose zan than who else is gonna ark's burglar?
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    Last nite after it had got a little late, things became stale. We became bored. So we logged freepside to fight BH who was apparently at GV 1 shots. But it took us a little while to blow off the dust on our freeps and form an organized group. When we had, BH had apparently logged! (Or at least we couldn't find them.) So we went back creepside and talked trash to each other in OOC. BH then logged freepside and we had some of the better fights of the entire night. Although it was sadly short lived the point here is, we aren't ALWAYS full of hate and point hungry. When things get pathetically boring, we will try to spice it up a bit. BH will do this as well. It's just dissapointing that it takes a creep tribe to swap to bring the fight sometimes. No dissrespect to the freeps. It's no secret things are a little jacked right now.

    P.S. It's every creeps dream to get lost.... this...tiny...sand...box... %^*#.....me.
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    you are right

    you are right zan about the conditions of freeps new to moors steps in it..no hytbolt gear, no jewls no sa lis and lacky virtues and most trited red cause of the increasing solo mode of content .... i started moors last summer ans i have seen many of this squishy freep make it almost tosame rank i have by joining open raids in 3 or 4 days ...i personally dont havevip all time and just go mooring in vacation from college ..a nice timing cause by then with premium stat i have manag eto get proper gear and grind some of the good stuff needed to go out there alone or to heal raids... as ppl do less group content in game , they careless about end game gear or virtues...or learning to play a class in group .... some new freeps have become easy moders cause of the propensity of lets just do a random raid ..i have and still learn the hard way...but really if we just point out the problems of new freeps in moors and take to action to teach ..and become mad and patienless with them...we are just making the egocentric actitude of experience freep reach new heigts
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metrolightning View Post

    P.S. Zan, you seem a good player, come to the darkside full-time, you won't regret it.
    I really have nothing against you Metro, but this just further illustrates the general mindset of creeps since I've been back. You don't want a good fight. You'd rather coerce one the few decent freeps to fight with you, not against you. And while your comment may have been made with a bit facetiousness, I can't help but believe that most creeps would rather farm than fight... but then again, I think the same could be said for a lot of the freeps - they just don't have the skill/experience/numbers to do it.

    Perhaps one day people will try to improve the quality of pvp on this server, instead of worrying about how fast they can gain meaningless little numbers...
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    Quote Originally Posted by vodpraetor View Post
    I really have nothing against you Metro, but this just further illustrates the general mindset of creeps since I've been back. You don't want a good fight. You'd rather coerce one the few decent freeps to fight with you, not against you. And while your comment may have been made with a bit facetiousness, I can't help but believe that most creeps would rather farm then fight... but then again, I think the same could be said for a lot of the newer freeps - they just don't have the skill/experience/numbers to do it.

    Perhaps one day people will try to improve the quality of pvp on this server, instead of worrying about how fast they can gain meaningless little numbers...
    Mr. Liggins,

    I understand you've returned after some absence so I'll forgive your ignorance. You obviously don't know much about me but appear to think you do. Feel free to draw false conclusions based on the vitriol that likely spills across freep OOC. I made no effort to troll Zanwic. Had I done so it would have been quite obvious. I respect Zanwic as being the only current full-time burg in our Moors. She always puts up a good fight when I find her and has improved greatly since getting full audacity. Contrary to your assertion I relish a good fight. We had such a fight last night when we stormed into Lugs and spent well over 30 minutes fighting in freep npcs against a full raid with a force of twelve. If my only interest was in farming I wouldn't bother roaming solo as much as I do nor put as much effort into learning my classes that I do.

    Your whole farm vs. fight comment can be summarized in one statement. Creeps by their very nature come out to fight, freeps (at least of Arkenstone) come to PvE and expect the PvP to happen as an aftereffect of them capturing everything. I won't belabor this point any more than that as people cannot ever seem to grasp it's simple truth. The committed and competent PvP freeps, what few there are, are well known, liked and respected by their counterparts creepside. And, truth be told, many of them are also very active ranked creeps who can attest that creepside is much more enjoyable and interested in fighting.

    You know why freeps get farmed? Because they choose to. I watched a fraid of well over 30 sit at grams yesterday and farm a few lowbies and suicidal WL's while the ranked creeps still managed to pick off the leaders, heals and randoms. I died once in over two hours. Freeps always fall back on the crutch of sheer numbers to compensate for a lack of competency. There isn't a day that passes I don't find some r8+ freep who still doesn't know how to use his skills properly, target forward, prioritize targets and follow their raid. Where are all the good freep leaders? They left after bashing their heads against the wall from all the stupidity that encompasses your average freep raid. These freeps are not new, under-geared, or lacking audacity. I see the same people out day in and day out doing the same stupid stuff and never improving. Most of Ark's highest ranking freeps are the worst culprits and are directly responsible for instilling the bad habits that are so prevalent. Don't believe me? Ask the freeps who are brave enough to lead. Even they hop in BH teamspeak and tell us how stupid their freeps are.

    Finally, BH, MB and other creep tribes don't have some magical formula of knowing each other for years. While there a number of veterans in most tribes the majority of our (BH) creeps were recruited within the last year, myself among them. I've only been creeping since January 2012. We win because we come out ready to fight, most of us know our &&&& and we help those who don't. YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID - especially when stupid is the norm and niceness the balm.

    If you'd like to get "a general mindset" of creeps then come creepside and see what it's like. Until you do please bear in mind you have a one-sided view of the situation. I still flip over on occasion to see what's what on freepside as do a number of creeps. I went full-time creep after I got tired of mindless PvE grinding and watching morons run around freepside keen on flipping everything blue without getting caught by the creeps.
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    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Metrolightning again.
    I guess one should be glad the rep system is going away when they get around to the new forums... no more stupid "you can't support this person without supporting others first!" bs

    Anyway, I wouldn't recommend wasting your time with this guy, Yummy... his post is the epitome of being a hypocrite. From as far back as I can remember when I started creeping, he always ended up the main target of friends and tribe (especially tribe). Why? Cause the guy did everything he could to avoid a fight the second it became challenging and the moment it became evident a fight wouldn't end in his favor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metrolightning View Post
    Mr. Liggins,

    I understand you've returned after some absence so I'll forgive your ignorance. You obviously don't know much about me but appear to think you do. Feel free to draw false conclusions based on the vitriol that likely spills across freep OOC. I made no effort to troll Zanwic. Had I done so it would have been quite obvious. I respect Zanwic as being the only current full-time burg in our Moors. She always puts up a good fight when I find her and has improved greatly since getting full audacity. Contrary to your assertion I relish a good fight. We had such a fight last night when we stormed into Lugs and spent well over 30 minutes fighting in freep npcs against a full raid with a force of twelve. If my only interest was in farming I wouldn't bother roaming solo as much as I do nor put as much effort into learning my classes that I do.

    Your whole farm vs. fight comment can be summarized in one statement. Creeps by their very nature come out to fight, freeps (at least of Arkenstone) come to PvE and expect the PvP to happen as an aftereffect of them capturing everything. I won't belabor this point any more than that as people cannot ever seem to grasp it's simple truth. The committed and competent PvP freeps, what few there are, are well known, liked and respected by their counterparts creepside. And, truth be told, many of them are also very active ranked creeps who can attest that creepside is much more enjoyable and interested in fighting.

    You know why freeps get farmed? Because they choose to. I watched a fraid of well over 30 sit at grams yesterday and farm a few lowbies and suicidal WL's while the ranked creeps still managed to pick off the leaders, heals and randoms. I died once in over two hours. Freeps always fall back on the crutch of sheer numbers to compensate for a lack of competency. There isn't a day that passes I don't find some r8+ freep who still doesn't know how to use his skills properly, target forward, prioritize targets and follow their raid. Where are all the good freep leaders? They left after bashing their heads against the wall from all the stupidity that encompasses your average freep raid. These freeps are not new, under-geared, or lacking audacity. I see the same people out day in and day out doing the same stupid stuff and never improving. Most of Ark's highest ranking freeps are the worst culprits and are directly responsible for instilling the bad habits that are so prevalent. Don't believe me? Ask the freeps who are brave enough to lead. Even they hop in BH teamspeak and tell us how stupid their freeps are.

    Finally, BH, MB and other creep tribes don't have some magical formula of knowing each other for years. While there a number of veterans in most tribes the majority of our (BH) creeps were recruited within the last year, myself among them. I've only been creeping since January 2012. We win because we come out ready to fight, most of us know our &&&& and we help those who don't. YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID - especially when stupid is the norm and niceness the balm.

    If you'd like to get "a general mindset" of creeps then come creepside and see what it's like. Until you do please bear in mind you have a one-sided view of the situation. I still flip over on occasion to see what's what on freepside as do a number of creeps. I went full-time creep after I got tired of mindless PvE grinding and watching morons run around freepside keen on flipping everything blue without getting caught by the creeps.

    Zan, I'd still like to spar you again on my BA. Wanna try a few things differently to see whether it works or not. Hope you enjoyed last nights fights. They certainly fit the bill of both what you decried and what you implored for.
    Le Sigh. I'm gonna attempt to reply to all of your 'points'...

    First of all, your 'forgiveness' was neither asked for, nor warranted. I am not ignorant to creepside. In fact, I used to play creep full time. Back when it was actually hard. Some of your elder, more experienced kinsman can probably tell you more about it. Now, am I an expert on all things current creep? Nope. But I do, lets see, how did you put it... ah yes, "flip over on occasion". So it would seem our knowledge, or lack thereof, is about the same.

    On to the next one! You stated something about creepsDoThisAndFreepsDoThatPVE MadeUpWordBlahBlah, something like that, I dozed off half way through. So you want to know why freeps have to 'PVE' when we/they come out? Because Creeps own most if not all the buffs, which we can of course surmise to mean that creeps have been pve'ing at some point. But wait, I thought only Freeps PVE'D??!! Oh, that's right. Both sides PVE because Turbine wants us to.

    I never said it was a magic formula. My goodness, I've never seen so many people unwilling to admit that 'chemistry' can play a role in competition. Knowing one another, playing the game for x amount of time together, talking in vent together and so on... it helps! You can tell you guys never played competitive team sports....

    Look man, I'm not looking to get into a pissing contest with you. You seem like a decent dude and you're a good player. You're a creep and I'm a freep, we'll likely never see eye to eye. All I want to see is Ark's PVP improve. Help me do that...
    Last edited by vodpraetor; Jul 01 2013 at 05:58 PM.
    Cullin R10, Adyson R10, Praethir R9, Liggins R9, Cilliann R9, Koltan R8, Kolton R8, Zevin R7, Aernon R7

  21. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by xxforcardassia View Post
    I guess one should be glad the rep system is going away when they get around to the new forums... no more stupid "you can't support this person without supporting others first!" bs

    Anyway, I wouldn't recommend wasting your time with this guy, Yummy... his post is the epitome of being a hypocrite. From as far back as I can remember when I started creeping, he always ended up the main target of friends and tribe (especially tribe). Why? Cause the guy did everything he could to avoid a fight the second it became challenging and the moment it became evident a fight wouldn't end in his favor.
    Ah yes, this coming from the dog who logged over to tell my hunter "good fight, most don't do as well as you did".

    I don't really care what most of you creeps think of me. I don't give away points. There are those that know I'm more than willing to fight when its a fair fight, but you won't ever get free points from me. When I'm active and playing, I roam around solo as much or more than any other person on this server... I'll fight anyone, anytime. Care to spar, Sersi?
    Cullin R10, Adyson R10, Praethir R9, Liggins R9, Cilliann R9, Koltan R8, Kolton R8, Zevin R7, Aernon R7

  22. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by vodpraetor View Post
    Ah yes, this coming from the dog who logged over to tell my hunter "good fight, most don't do as well as you did".
    Lolol, unlikely. And if I did, I had to be high and/or drunk.

    Sorry, don't spar people who I a) am not friends with and b) don't respect.
    Lieutenant Sersi Niflhel · Retired
    "I will give you no quarter, and I will take none."

  23. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by xxforcardassia View Post
    Lolol, unlikely. And if I did, I had to be high and/or drunk.

    Sorry, don't spar people who I a) am not friends with and b) don't respect.
    or c) can't beat.

    It's ok, I wouldnt admit to saying that either... makes you look weak.
    Cullin R10, Adyson R10, Praethir R9, Liggins R9, Cilliann R9, Koltan R8, Kolton R8, Zevin R7, Aernon R7

  24. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by vodpraetor View Post
    Le Sigh. I'm gonna attempt to reply to all of your 'points', forgive me if I miss some...

    First of all, your 'forgiveness' was neither asked for, nor warranted. I am not ignorant to creepside. In fact, I used to play creep full time. Back when it was actually hard. Some of your elder, more experienced kinsman can probably tell you more about it. Now, am I an expert on all things current creep? Nope. But I do, lets see, how did you put it... ah yes, "flip over on occasion". So it would seem our knowledge, or lack thereof, is about the same.

    On to the next one! You stated something about creepsDoThisAndFreepsDoThatPVE MadeUpWordBlahBlah, something like that, I dozed off half way through. So you want to know why freeps have to 'PVE' when we/they come out? Because Creeps own most if not all the buffs, which we can of course surmise to mean that creeps have been pve'ing at some point. But wait, I thought only Freeps PVE'D??!! Oh, that's right. Both sides PVE because Turbine wants us to.

    I never said it was a magic formula. My goodness, I've never seen so many people unwilling to admit that 'chemistry' can play a role in competition. Knowing one another, playing the game for x amount of time together, talking in vent together and so on... it helps! You can tell you guys never played competitive team sports....

    Look man, I'm not looking to get into a pissing contest with you. You seem like a decent dude and you're a good player. You're a creep and I'm a freep, we'll likely never see eye to eye. All I want to see is Ark's PVP improve. Help me do that...
    Praethir,

    Good post. I'm aware you were old school creep and it was tough. Have you been out creepside recently for any length of time? It's better and worse. Creeps have some new skills and classes got some revisions, but half the freep classes are so op you can't even get close to soloing them if they know their stuff. Sorry if my make believe word put you to sleep, I'm using that new "creative spelling" they teach. I agree both sides PvE and a lot of times its to bolster points, but it also comes as a result of there being few if anything out to fight when its earlier in the day. May as well flip it your color and do turn-ins while you wait. However, there are quite a few who live for flipping it and doing nothing afterward - my comment was directed more at them. You're also correct about chemistry, and, coincidentally, I have played competitive sports. What I was trying to postulate is that freeps lack this because they willfully refuse to change. Given how often I see x, y, and z freeps grouped out in the moors it seems a reasonable expectation that they would develop this chemistry. However, as evidenced from watching them for over a year, this is seldom the case. I agree with you on improving the moors but as the time has passed my idealism has waned and I'm not so sure it can be done. For now, at least, I just try to roll with whatever it out there and have fun when I can. Like you I try to avoid giving away free samples of Yummy jerky. Demand is far too high these days.

    Regarding Sersi's obvious troll I'm quite sure I can surmise where you got your intel from. They're no longer in tribe and won't be missed. Did I ever get pissed because freeps were camping/farming the few creeps out? Certainly. Have I ever flipped over in TS and told my tribemates, who were freepside and farming us like douchebags, "have fun nobody's gonna fight you" because they were being tools? Yep, I sure did. Though I wholeheartedly enjoy joining the fray in raid vs. raid fights I've always remained more of a solo/small group player. So, needless to say, being solo and getting run down by your own tribemates, repeatedly, can piss you off. Funny thing is, I forgave them and moved on, though it appears they have remained the same. Dunno what set you off today Sersi but that's fine. I've had my moments and will continue to have them same as anyone. I'd ask you to consider asking other creeps or even freeps what they think of my play-style. I'd wager most would disagree with your assertion, but I'll let my actions do the talking.
    Aartemys (formerly YoulookYummy) of BrandyZerg, OogityBoogity (the most under-rated Defiler on Ark), Runswithscissors (a very confused Reaver), et al.

  25. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by vodpraetor View Post
    or c) can't beat.

    It's ok, I wouldnt admit to saying that either... makes you look weak.
    Nope. I refuse to admit to saying something I never uttered in the first place.

    And yes, I (probably like anyone else here) won't willingly place myself in a situation to be farmed, but that is not why I choose to avoid and not partake in spars. I used to try a year or more ago, but when it became clear that Arkenstone is not the vehicle for that sort of an endeavor, I gave up on it. I indulge very few people in spars.


    Quote Originally Posted by Metrolightning View Post
    Dunno what set you off today Sersi but that's fine. I've had my moments and will continue to have them same as anyone. I'd ask you to consider asking other creeps or even freeps what they think of my play-style. I'd wager most would disagree with your assertion, but I'll let my actions do the talking.
    Think I mighta missed where you were going with this. My post was completely and wholly referring to Praethir/Cullin/Liggins/Koltan/et al that I can't even remember. Made with the intent of pointing out the "pot calling the kettle black" going on in his post was all, albeit in a trollish manner.
    Lieutenant Sersi Niflhel · Retired
    "I will give you no quarter, and I will take none."

 

 
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